Why do I have to register for the Selective Service System?!?!

The OP got flagged because hes getting money from a federal entitlement education program and didn't register for the selective service.

I'll support people who don't want to sign up for the selective service after they pay the (true) cost of public colleges not subsidized by taxpayers, repay all their student loans from the federal loan program at the higher rate they would have paid if they had to get loans in the marketplace, and pay back all their free PELL grants with interest. Also once they sign a waiver declaring them ineligible for food stamps, medicare, medicaid, social security, social security disability, as well as any further educational benefits.

Then, in my opinion, you can feel free to not register for selective service. Until then, stop whining and fill out the form.

i didn't read all the replies but her is what you should do if you ever get drafted and want out. it is VERY easy to fail a psych test. tell them you were molested daily, tell them you have suicidal thoughts, tell them as soon as they put live ammo in your gun you will shoot your bunkmate...this will make you very unpopular with the rest of the guys, but that will be to your advantage also. and if you find someone else who wants out, another man if you are a man, another female if you are a woman, get caught kissing them. don't ask don't tell says you cannot tell your CO that you are gay, BUT if your CO catches you engaged in homosexual acts, they must kick you out. i'm not advocating any of this, but that is how you could do it without being put in prison.

reply to post by Good Wolf

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i'm not a fan of war or our government. but would you act the same way if the U.S. was in danger of being taken over by a government that WAS TRULY comunist, that would disappear the rights that this government at least lets you THINK YOU HAVE? i know we don't truly have the rights we are told we have, but at least they humor us, isn't that a little better than say, the way China does things? and if you say "it wouldn't be any different, our government is just as bad" then you lose all credibility right away. be honest, but don't be base. i would definately SIGN UP for service if there was a REAL threat to our national security, if america was in danger of being taken over, i would die fighting for it because my son deserves freedom, he would not be happy without it, and i will fight to keep what freedom we have. god forbid it ever comes to that, but history repeats itself, all major powers fall and give rise to new ones, america will not last forever, so it is something you must consider. what would you do if a nation like China or Iran invaded us tomorrow? join up in a milita, or just wait to get drafted and shoot your CO and say "WELCOME NEW BOSS! OUT WITH THE OLD BOSS! just don't make me fight, and i'll pledge my loyalty to you! i don't mind that i'll no longer be allowed to read a site like ATS on my computer, hell, i even understand if you send me to jail for a year or two because of things i said on that forum before you "rescued" my horrible country that i was a political refugee of. do whatever you need to do, just don't make me fight..."
i don't know you personally, but i bet you WOULD fight in that situation. i hope so anyway. and by the way, some countries just shoot you if you will not serve. which would you rather have? and a comment like "i'll move to canada" isn't allowed, if america was taken over, then they would take canada while they were here.

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy
Wow I guess the Elites don't need to send their sons and daughters to war... all they have to do is pay 250 g's. It'll just be loose change to the wealthy

Maybe that's why so many Americans are in debt... So they are forced to fight and to kill and to die to pay off their 'debts'

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[But hey, don't let me stop you! Give it a shot (so to speak)]

I can bet a lot of dudes here got a rise out of what you just said... Don't tease us!!!

Wow, I find this crazy tbh.

It's a REGISTRATION. A registration to me, implies that it is something you do for your benefit. You register your car, in order to drive it. You register your dog so that the rightful owner (you) can be contacted, etc.

But this? If you dont register you will go to prison?

Why not just put it as it is, YOU will be called to called to active duty IF/WHEN the ptb say you will, END of story.

I really love the last sentence in the last paragraph "We're trying to register you, not prosecute you."

IE; suck it and love it, you're owned.



Seriously, I must be missing something, as a non-US citizen, I would have thought this sort of thing was not an obligation but an option.

Id just ignore him, he's just trolling you to make himself feel better about his "I take it lieing down and I feel guilty about it" mentality.

I know what you're saying...

The sort of logic he's using is the same that kept slavery alive for so long...

Well sure, if you are one of those required to register, then yes you must register, though they never tell you how to find out if you are one of those required do they? What are you suppose to make this presumption on your own, take your parents word, take your teachers word, take your brother or uncles word? Hence, voluntary registration, eh! Sort of like federal taxation right? laff!


If that was truly their objective they would have cited the legal language for you to make the termination of which they seek from you, if it was true what they would have said is that you are required by law to register, Section X, Y, and Z, if you fail to do so, you will be prosecutable under Section A or B or C; no, what they need rather is your sworn signature of agreement, thus fulfilling the requirements of established 'private contract law'.


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reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

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Just fill it out, sign it and send it back to them every male has to register when they turn 18. If you don't they will know because the database they use flags your social securtity number until they recieve the form back.

And just because you fill it out doesn't mean you will get drafted. The Government uses the selective service database as a lottery in the event of a draft. and if you are drafted you can claim CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS status.



a draft is constitutional according to previous Supreme court rulings.

The Supreme court has ruled on the constitutionality every time a draft has been instated. everytime they rule the draft is constitutional. and every time they say it does not violate your 14th amendment rights.

Since the power for congress to declare war, and to create satnding armies and miltias is in the constitution. they also have the power to institute a draft. they can also make military service mandatory with out a draft!

So again sign it, send it back, and shut up evry male has to do it when they turn 18!

Sure a draft is not unconstitutional, however forcing people to fight in other then the common defense of the United States is unconstitutional, (i.e. shipping them off to fight battles in foreign lands or whatever reason, rhyme, or purpose). That is all that is required of the militias and there are strict stipulations imposed upon standing armies. Standing armies was one of the reasons our Nations Founders declared their independence.

"Fighting for the Constitution", I would have to ask exactly which Constitution are you fighting for?

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*pulls string*

"The coward says: 'The draft is unconstitutional' as the enemy invades and burns down the white house."

What wth all the 'politcal correctness' these days all you gotta do is say " It's against my religeon to try and kill someone", see how far that gets you?
Play them at their own games, they want you to fight for them do it on your terms.

You signed a contract, its called the social security contract.
When you signed this contract there are a few things they did not tell you,
like if we need you to go fight a war you will have to go.

Little trick I learned 40 years ago, go to the induction station, go through the entire process, at the end of this process refuse to take the oath.

You will be inducted into the army, however when you refuse they will threaten you with a "bad conduct discharge". Tell them that is OK.

You will be processed and given a bad conduct discharge then sent home..

They make it seem like the end of the world, it is only if you want to work for the government.

Peace I mean it.

Dan


i]reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

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There is a need for about 400,000-600,000 troups for "Operation Iranian Freedom". Remember when Biden said that Obama would have to clear out the Stygian Stables like Hercules. Initial assault, blockade, massive bombing, then a physical invasion like Iraq.

But we can hope not.

Registering for selective service also is a stepping stone for future applicants for federal and govenrnment jobs. Also helps to get you security clearences faster and easier if it is in your records. Its more than just a "Draft bill".

One thing no one realizes is that the ENTIRE process of being drafted is totally and completely VOLUNTARY. We are not in a draft time right now, but if we were, anyone can come out of the process without being shipped off to basic. And here is why:

For the sake of argument, let us assume that we have instituted the draft. The process goes like this.

1. You register for the Selective Service(without crying about it)
2. The lottery process determines that people that registered with the SSN in a certain range just got selected.
3. They go to the draft board on the day they're supposed to report.
4. You sign in and do all the questions, exams, physicals
5. Then they line you up and determine which branch you will enlist in.
**This is where we get to the "you are volunteering" part.
6. When they say, "whomever is here for the Army, please step forward."
7. Whomever wants to go to the army then steps forward. The process is repeated for all the other branches.
**Stepping forward denotes "volunteering". If you don't step forward for any branch, then you don't volunteer and you GO HOME.

Everyone has to realize that it is voluntary. They don't tell you things like this because they need the bodies. The ONLY thing that is forced on you if you register is that you have to go down to the draft board IF your SSN gets pulled in the lottery.

Hope you enjoyed my first post. I know that I did.

Army.com says,
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KNOW THE FACTS..

What Happens If I Don’t Register?
Young men convicted of failure to register may be fined up to $250,000, imprisoned for up to five years, or both. In addition to being subject to prosecution, failure to register may cause you to permanently forfeit eligibility for certain benefits. Not registering is a felony.
But on the bright side, when applying for those cushy federal jobs, its also required. See links below.
Selective Service
www.sss.gov
Just some more info on the process.


[edit on 13-11-2008 by MREALE]

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

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Every single male in the USA has to register for the draft when you turn 18. You have no choice. If you fail the tests on purpose, you get to go straight to the front lines. If you don't, and do fantastic, you might get to skip the war altogether. I had an uncle who, during Vietnam, was drafted, but spent the majority of the war in school training to be an officer. It, like paying taxes and voting, is a civic requirement for the rights we have in this country. Most likely they will never call the draft, but if they do, you are expected to server your country.

I agree, just sign the stupid thing. It's just one more way to screw with you, otherwise. This program has been in place for decades and it's not going anywhere. It's not sexist, it's not a trap, and it's a mere formality. If things were really that bad, they already have emergency decrees that let them do whatever they want to you and it's perfectly legal.

Actually, I've read a draft would improve the military. According to the late retired Colonel David Hackworth, the draft made for a better army because soldiers were not careerists who were too scared of losing rank to tell the truth. As citizen soldiers, the draftee army was harder to manage, but they weren't afraid to express their opinions when things were screwed up. My dad was in the Navy during Korea and he told me most of the soldiers he met were WW II vets who were yanked out of their civilian lives and thrown back into the war. He said they hated it, but they knew all they had to do was fight and win and they could go back to their peacetime lives. He said it also made for a tougher, more honest force. None of the men, he said, were concerned with their careers, just winning. I served and I hated the cravenly PC nonsense I had to listen to and the many corrupt or incompetent self-serving individuals whom I had to pretend I respected.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be drafted, but I already volunteered. I'm probably at higher risk of being drafted than you are, since I'm already trained and considered a known quantity. I personally don't want to give up more of my life to the army, reasoning that I'm older and I have a family to take care of, but I think service is good for most people. Military service offers discipline, an opportunity for education and training, and I think it makes you into a better citizen. I think veterans make reliable citizens and gain important insight into how the world really works. Otherwise, there's always Canada and Mexico.
Enjoy-Polarbear6