The OP got flagged because hes getting money from a federal entitlement education program and didn't register for the selective service.

I'll support people who don't want to sign up for the selective service after they pay the (true) cost of public colleges not subsidized by taxpayers, repay all their student loans from the federal loan program at the higher rate they would have paid if they had to get loans in the marketplace, and pay back all their free PELL grants with interest. Also once they sign a waiver declaring them ineligible for food stamps, medicare, medicaid, social security, social security disability, as well as any further educational benefits.

Then, in my opinion, you can feel free to not register for selective service. Until then, stop whining and fill out the form.

i didn't read all the replies but her is what you should do if you ever get drafted and want out. it is VERY easy to fail a psych test. tell them you were molested daily, tell them you have suicidal thoughts, tell them as soon as they put live ammo in your gun you will shoot your bunkmate...this will make you very unpopular with the rest of the guys, but that will be to your advantage also. and if you find someone else who wants out, another man if you are a man, another female if you are a woman, get caught kissing them. don't ask don't tell says you cannot tell your CO that you are gay, BUT if your CO catches you engaged in homosexual acts, they must kick you out. i'm not advocating any of this, but that is how you could do it without being put in prison.

Originally posted by Darthorious

Originally posted by pieman
if you don't register, how do they know unless they can cross check against another list but if this is the case why do they need you to register, why not use the list they use for cross checking?

The law in the US requires every male at age 18 register for selective service.

Wow, I find this crazy tbh.

It's a REGISTRATION. A registration to me, implies that it is something you do for your benefit. You register your car, in order to drive it. You register your dog so that the rightful owner (you) can be contacted, etc.

But this? If you dont register you will go to prison?

Why not just put it as it is, YOU will be called to called to active duty IF/WHEN the ptb say you will, END of story.

I really love the last sentence in the last paragraph "We're trying to register you, not prosecute you."

IE; suck it and love it, you're owned.



Seriously, I must be missing something, as a non-US citizen, I would have thought this sort of thing was not an obligation but an option.

Sure a draft is not unconstitutional, however forcing people to fight in other then the common defense of the United States is unconstitutional, (i.e. shipping them off to fight battles in foreign lands or whatever reason, rhyme, or purpose). That is all that is required of the militias and there are strict stipulations imposed upon standing armies. Standing armies was one of the reasons our Nations Founders declared their independence.

"Fighting for the Constitution", I would have to ask exactly which Constitution are you fighting for?

[edit on 13-11-2008 by RexxCrow]

*pulls string*

"The coward says: 'The draft is unconstitutional' as the enemy invades and burns down the white house."

What wth all the 'politcal correctness' these days all you gotta do is say " It's against my religeon to try and kill someone", see how far that gets you?
Play them at their own games, they want you to fight for them do it on your terms.

Originally posted by Alexander_Supertramp
I'm not sure about that one, but I'd think that would basically be suicide. Join the military, yet refuse to kill someone when on the battlefield, so you get shot. I still think it's a better idea to just sign it and then refuse to go if need be.

Good news is, there's a small chance that a draft will be necessary any time in the near future. I really wouldn't worry about it too much, but that's just my opinion.

There is a need for about 400,000-600,000 troups for "Operation Iranian Freedom". Remember when Biden said that Obama would have to clear out the Stygian Stables like Hercules. Initial assault, blockade, massive bombing, then a physical invasion like Iraq.

But we can hope not.

Registering for selective service also is a stepping stone for future applicants for federal and govenrnment jobs. Also helps to get you security clearences faster and easier if it is in your records. Its more than just a "Draft bill".

One thing no one realizes is that the ENTIRE process of being drafted is totally and completely VOLUNTARY. We are not in a draft time right now, but if we were, anyone can come out of the process without being shipped off to basic. And here is why:

For the sake of argument, let us assume that we have instituted the draft. The process goes like this.

1. You register for the Selective Service(without crying about it)
2. The lottery process determines that people that registered with the SSN in a certain range just got selected.
3. They go to the draft board on the day they're supposed to report.
4. You sign in and do all the questions, exams, physicals
5. Then they line you up and determine which branch you will enlist in.
**This is where we get to the "you are volunteering" part.
6. When they say, "whomever is here for the Army, please step forward."
7. Whomever wants to go to the army then steps forward. The process is repeated for all the other branches.
**Stepping forward denotes "volunteering". If you don't step forward for any branch, then you don't volunteer and you GO HOME.

Everyone has to realize that it is voluntary. They don't tell you things like this because they need the bodies. The ONLY thing that is forced on you if you register is that you have to go down to the draft board IF your SSN gets pulled in the lottery.

Hope you enjoyed my first post. I know that I did.

I agree, just sign the stupid thing. It's just one more way to screw with you, otherwise. This program has been in place for decades and it's not going anywhere. It's not sexist, it's not a trap, and it's a mere formality. If things were really that bad, they already have emergency decrees that let them do whatever they want to you and it's perfectly legal.

Actually, I've read a draft would improve the military. According to the late retired Colonel David Hackworth, the draft made for a better army because soldiers were not careerists who were too scared of losing rank to tell the truth. As citizen soldiers, the draftee army was harder to manage, but they weren't afraid to express their opinions when things were screwed up. My dad was in the Navy during Korea and he told me most of the soldiers he met were WW II vets who were yanked out of their civilian lives and thrown back into the war. He said they hated it, but they knew all they had to do was fight and win and they could go back to their peacetime lives. He said it also made for a tougher, more honest force. None of the men, he said, were concerned with their careers, just winning. I served and I hated the cravenly PC nonsense I had to listen to and the many corrupt or incompetent self-serving individuals whom I had to pretend I respected.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be drafted, but I already volunteered. I'm probably at higher risk of being drafted than you are, since I'm already trained and considered a known quantity. I personally don't want to give up more of my life to the army, reasoning that I'm older and I have a family to take care of, but I think service is good for most people. Military service offers discipline, an opportunity for education and training, and I think it makes you into a better citizen. I think veterans make reliable citizens and gain important insight into how the world really works. Otherwise, there's always Canada and Mexico.
Enjoy-Polarbear6