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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:15 PM by Blaine91555

reply to post by KOGDOG

There was a lot of irony then. I was given a holding status as sole surviving son to a widowed Mother. I wanted in the Air Force to pay for school. My age group ended up in the mop-up action in the end. I lost a few Friends.

A surprising number ended up in Germany however. They came back as heroine and opium addicts compliments of Uncle Sam. One of my Friends who got kicked out early along with most of those on the Bridge of the Carrier he operated radar for got an early out for heroin addiction. He claimed everyone on the Bridge was using. (if you are on this board, U2U me, eh). The Captain was his dealer. The world has changed.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:17 PM by prototism

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

I have citizenship because of my mom to me it really doesn't matter. I do like this country though and what it once stood for(at that time I would have been proud to call myself a citizen) but now rights are being taken away and the country is taking a turn for the worst.

This country was going downhill the day we got involved in the Middle-East and Israel. In other words, we made their problem, our problem.

That means it happened before you or I were even born, or even a sparkle in our parents' eyes.

[edit on 11/12/2008 by prototism]

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:19 PM by Blaine91555

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

Sorry for the misinterpretation. My bad.

Beleive me I know what goes through your head. I grew up watching the nightly body counts on the news. Every night all the news shows would post the body counts from both sides. I was terrified when I walked into the office for the physical and to sign up. I'd had a dozen people I knew come back in body bags by then and Canada was tempting.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:22 PM by bkcrt

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by Blaine91555

Well my username is just after the show but I do support a democracy just one that follows its own rules. Either way I have to register which I understand, although I know what they are doing is wrong and unconstitutional but if I do ever get drafted I won't be going anywhere except for court(as long as they don't take away all my rights and amendments by that time).

Everything is somehow "unconstitutional" these days. Must be a buzz word.

Not a one line post.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:22 PM by prototism

reply to post by bkcrt

Hes 18. They love buzzwords.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:43 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by bkcrt

Is it not?

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:25 PM by panda319

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

Haha...umm but it clearly says in a time of crisis they may draft me to the army...which clearly goes against the 13th and 14th amendments

13th: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

keywords "involuntary servitude"

They've created a loophole - it's a crime not to do it, therefor it falls under 'punishment for crime'.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:28 PM by azureskys

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

Hello SonsOfAnarchy,
You should Google the words "conscientious objector".
There is all kinds of information about your situation.

You are not a baby for Not Wanting To Kill Another Person.

A conscientious objector is: One who on the basis of religious or moral principles refuses to bear arms or participate in military service.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:28 PM by KOGDOG

reply to post by Blaine91555

I think I was going to sign up to be a badass or something like that & hopefully get back with my school paid. Odd part is by the time both my wife and I graduated between the two of us we only owed maybe $1500. That's nothing compared to what today's students end up owing. Today it not uncommon, from what my wife tells me she works with a lot of the state university kids in my town, for these kids today to end up owing from $200,000 to $250,000 in loans. That is insane.

About that military drug problem..... I can't even imagine what it must be like for soldiers to be serving in the Opium capital of the world... Afghanistan. I'll bet today's vets have more "issues" than in your day.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:46 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by azureskys
Hello SonsOfAnarchy,
You should Google the words "conscientious objector".
There is all kinds of information about your situation.

You are not a baby for Not Wanting To Kill Another Person.

A conscientious objector is: One who on the basis of religious or moral principles refuses to bear arms or participate in military service.

Well, that's all and good, but you have to have lived the "Conscientious objector" lifestyle. Someone that lives the peaceful lifestyle day in and day out.

CO status isn't something you just pull out when the draft board sends you the "Greetings" letter. That's not going to fly.

And a lot of COs still go into the military, but are trained as medics.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:54 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by jerico65

How would they know how you lived your life anyway?? and thats not true that you have to live your whole life like because if I just don't think war solves anything then how can they even force me to even give aid as a medic in something that I'm against. Whatever though I'm just going to register for this bs and hope the draft doesn't happen and if it does I'll figure out what to do.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:07 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
[How would they know how you lived your life anyway?? and thats not true that you have to live your whole life like because if I just don't think war solves anything then how can they even force me to even give aid as a medic in something that I'm against. Whatever though I'm just going to register for this bs and hope the draft doesn't happen and if it does I'll figure out what to do.

"A registrant must establish to the satisfaction of the board that his request for exemption from combatant and noncombatant military training and service in the Armed Forces is based upon moral, ethical or religious beliefs which play a significant role in his life and that his objection to participation in war is not confined to a particular war."

I found that on Wikipedia, which has source links back to the selective service website.

The key words are "Play a significant role in his life". That means you can try to be pious before the draft board, then go out and get hammered that evening.

Figure out what to do if you get drafted? How about serve?

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:16 PM by Good Wolf

It's things like this that make me happy to live in NZ.

If there was ever a draft here my friends and I all agree we would go into hiding. If we were found, we would gladly accept court marshal instead of going into battle.

A unanimous "F--- that!"

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:24 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by jerico65

If I ever do get drafted there is no way in hell I will serve...I rather rot in prison then having the possibility of surviving a war and coming back home #ed up in the head.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:25 PM by Wolf321

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

I cannot accept that for the main reason that it violates my rights and if I decided not to register I believe I should not be punished.

If this is the case, then sue the government. I believe this already has been argued and lost, but perhaps it was presented in a different angle. If the courts agree, the law will change. If not, then you are bound by it.

I can understand your point of view. I can't say I like the idea of mandatory anything when it comes to the government. That is why I liked the concept presented in Starship Troopers in which there was a difference between a citizen and a civilian. I think that format would allow someone like yourself to not have to deal with such things as the selective service system.

[edit on 12-11-2008 by Wolf321]

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:30 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by Wolf321

I have never seen the movie but good to know someone atleast understands...

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:31 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by Good Wolf
It's things like this that make me happy to live in NZ.

If there was ever a draft here my friends and I all agree we would go into hiding. If we were found, we would gladly accept court marshal instead of going into battle.

A unanimous "F--- that!"

You know, you have to be in the military to have a "court marshal" (I think you mean a Court Martial).

Damn, the Kiwis I know are some serious pipe hitters. I guess they'll have to do the fighting for you.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:32 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
If I ever do get drafted there is no way in hell I will serve...I rather rot in prison then having the possibility of surviving a war and coming back home #ed up in the head.

Whatever. Have fun in prison. Don't drop the soap.

We don't need you.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:36 PM by Good Wolf

reply to post by jerico65

I think you mean a Court Martial

Yeah thats the one.

Well then I'll give them some options. Either they leave me alone and everything is dandy or they'll get shot trying to draft me (if they make me shoot at someone it's going to be them). We don't have the death penalty.

I'm not risking my life for my government.

[edit on 11/12/2008 by Good Wolf]

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:38 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by Good Wolf
Well then I'll give them some options. Either they leave me alone and everything is dandy or they get shot trying to get me to got fight. We don't have the death penalty.

So let me get this straight. You'd shoot at your own cops before you'd shoot at the enemy?

Now that's funny.