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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:22 PM by Wally Conley

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

The draft ISN'T around anymore. Registering for selective service is a way for them to keep a data base of people who could be called upon if a national emergency of such magnitude occured that they would be FORCED to reinstitute the draft on an emergency basis. One of the current drawbacks to not registering for is that you would be disqualified from getting money from the USG to go to college. It kind of sucks that they force you to do it like that.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:29 PM by Simplynoone

Its a sneaky way of not having to do a draft ..
You signed on the dotted line and have volunteered now .
(Similar to the first time you sign your taxes with the IRS) you signed giving them the permission they needed to hold you to it now ..(Contract)

But if you dont sign it ..yes you could go to jail ..and possibly even made to go anyway someday if they need you ....

When my youngest turned 18 I did my digging online ..because I didnt want him to sign it ...I left it up to him ..he did sign it ..

When I was digging for info ..I found out they dont usually do anything about you not signing ..but they do some people ......sort of like if you dont go to Jury Duty ..some get fined ...some do not ............

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:47 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by prototism

You know sir, you are correct I have recently turned 18(last June) but I also believe that I should be able to use my rights supposedly protected under the constitution to say "no" to registering...and those last three sentences were kind of harsh and bias don't you think? Just because I don't register for something I do not agree with I should leave the country? I also did not know that being a citizen of this country I had to sign up to possibly be drafted someday into the military unwillingly. Wheres the freedom in that when the government can decide what I register for or don't...

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:50 PM by prototism

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

You know sir, you are correct I have recently turned 18(last June) but I also believe that I should be able to use my rights supposedly protected under the constitution to say "no" to registering...and those last three sentences were kind of harsh and bias don't you think? Just because I don't register for something I do not agree with I should leave the country? I also did not know that being a citizen of this country I had to sign up to possibly be drafted someday into the military unwillingly. Wheres the freedom in that when the government can decide what I register for or don't...

Well, they are your only alternatives, are they not? You either comply, or run.

You and I are similar, sort of. Am I gung-ho about the military? No. Am I "willing"? No. But will I accept the fact that being male in this country includes the requirement that I serve it, if absolutely needed? Yes.

Again, you're just complaining about responsibility. I see where you're coming from, I think, but the responsibility issue outweighs your concerns.

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:59 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
I also did not know that being a citizen of this country I had to sign up to possibly be drafted someday into the military unwillingly. Wheres the freedom in that when the government can decide what I register for or don't...

Huh? How long have you been a citizen of this country.

Cowboy up and register.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:11 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by jerico65

I don't know probably about 4 years.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:20 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by prototism

Well if enough people refused to register change would be possible but when the government terroizes people to register and they do then you are basically giving into it. Just read the letter that they send out they make it seem like they are trying to help you so you are no persecuted. Most likely I will have to register and if I ever do get drafted I will just not go...I just thought I would bring this up because when my mom read the letter she was suprised and so was I because I thought that the draft was gone but that's were I was wrong. If I had a lot of money to get some good lawyers I would be willing to take this to court as violating my rights.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:22 PM by KOGDOG

Ha.... SS time. Reminds me of when I was 18 and like a good citizen went to my local SS office. The elderly silver haired lady who signed me up asked me a few questions had me sign a form etc... then leaned over and took my hand in hers and said.... "You go to school. Don't you do anything foolish and end up over in Vietnam. A lot of those boys don't come back. God has better for you." I was shocked. I smiled then left without saying a word. I went to college and did not enlist. I had been thinking of signing up with one of the armed forces... did not do that.

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:24 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by KOGDOG

Yea but now even if you go to school your not excused which it says on the webiste.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:25 PM by prototism

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

Well if enough people refused to register change would be possible but when the government terroizes people to register and they do then you are basically giving into it. Just read the letter that they send out they make it seem like they are trying to help you so you are no persecuted. Most likely I will have to register and if I ever do get drafted I will just not go...I just thought I would bring this up because when my mom read the letter she was suprised and so was I because I thought that the draft was gone but that's were I was wrong. If I had a lot of money to get some good lawyers I would be willing to take this to court as violating my rights.

Answer this one question: Can you accept the fact, that as a condition of your male citizenry, you must become part of the SS?

Or you reject that acceptance?

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:28 PM by KOGDOG

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by KOGDOG

Yea but now even if you go to school your not excused which it says on the webiste.

Well... college deferment only worked for a few years then there was the good ol' "Lottery". I think my birthday ended up being drawn somewhere around 350. Only the the first 150 or so ended up being drafted.

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:36 PM by Wolf321

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

If there ever were a re institution of the draft you have options. You could desert. You could outright reject and face jail. You could declare yourself a conscientious objector.

Encarta

Two courses, or forms of alternate service, are open to conscientious objectors who are so classified by their draft board. A man may refuse military induction altogether and fulfill his term of service in a civilian capacity, for example, in hospital service or nonprofit welfare work. A conscript who opposes fighting but not military service itself can be inducted and given an assignment requiring no carrying or use of arms.

Basically, you would most likely be a medic.

I think that in this day and age, if we are all equal, then women should be included on the list.

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:41 PM by prototism

reply to post by Wolf321

His issue, I think, isn't the aversion to fighting. His issue, like just about every other kid his age, is about a problem with authority.

Except he takes it one step further, and questions the motives behind the authority.

If this were a father-son scenario, he would be asking "Why?", to which the father would simply say, "Because I said so".

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:44 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by prototism

I cannot accept that for the main reason that it violates my rights and if I decided not to register I believe I should not be punished. The punishment as it says on the back of the letter I scanned is a $250,000 fine or prison...that is crazy that is more than my parents make in like 4-5 years.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:03 PM by TheRandom1

Selective Service has the wrong Social Security Number on me, what does that mean? does that mean that I don't apply?

I never changed/corrected them anyways, I figured if they were dumb enough to get the wrong SS number on me they deserve to have the wrong one on me.

-Lahara

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:04 PM by Blaine91555

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

Just stop being a baby and do it. There is no draft and the likelihood of one is remote. Of course there is one Democrat who wants it and they do have complete control of the government

Hmmmm

I went through the same thoughts. Of course it was a little different in that we had a Draft and my chances of going to Vietnam were almost unavoidable. In the end, you do what you have to do. I registered while many of my peers ran to Canada like Geese. I fared a lot better than they did.

You will grow out of the Anarchy nonsense in a couple of years and you may want to earn a living to support yourself and your future family.

Perhaps you should write Congressman Rangel (D) for his opinion? Link to info.

WASHINGTON - Lawmaker Says Volunteer Military May be Overwhelmed by Military Challenges in Iran, North Korea and Syria requiring more troops who will have to be drafted

Congressman Charles Rangel today introduced new legislation to reinstate the military draft that will include draftees up to 42 years of age.

Rangel is always good for a laugh.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:05 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by TheRandom1

Lucky you! Wish they did that for me...just leave it and if you ever get drafted you have a way to get out of it I guess...lol

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:06 PM by prototism

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by prototism

I cannot accept that for the main reason that it violates my rights and if I decided not to register I believe I should not be punished. The punishment as it says on the back of the letter I scanned is a $250,000 fine or prison...that is crazy that is more than my parents make in like 4-5 years.

So then you don't consider yourself a citizen. Got it.

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:10 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by Blaine91555

Well my username is just after the show but I do support a democracy just one that follows its own rules. Either way I have to register which I understand, although I know what they are doing is wrong and unconstitutional but if I do ever get drafted I won't be going anywhere except for court(as long as they don't take away all my rights and amendments by that time).

reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:13 PM by SonsOfAnarchy

reply to post by prototism

I have citizenship because of my mom to me it really doesn't matter. I do like this country though and what it once stood for(at that time I would have been proud to call myself a citizen) but now rights are being taken away and the country is taking a turn for the worst. As corny as it sounds I also believe that war is never the answer to anything(but thats a whole other discussion I guess).

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