Video: Gay Marriage Proponents Attack Elderly Woman , page 3

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 04:41 AM

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I've nothing against religios principles....in principle

But people who say gays are against this that or the other,forget 1 thing. Your god made us all,and he/she made us all the way we all are. So saying that we are against god,is saying that god is wrong. Which goes against the beliefs of religios folk IIRC.

It's funny how people pick and chose which bits of their religion they like better,to fit in with their own prejudices.

detachedindividual

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by CreeWolf
I've got a solution! Let gays and lesbians establish their own nation with their own Constitution. There, they can marry, propagate and circumvent all that silliness of living in a nation founded on religious principles......you know, like the UK, US, Saudi Arabia, India, and practically EVERY NATION on EARTH!

Is there a religion on earth where gay and lesbian "marriages" are "sacred"?

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Oh my god! Yes, I said GOD! Does that offend you?

And yes, there is a religion where gay people are recognized and respected as equals in all aspects, look up "Paganism". You know, that ancient belief system that the invaders tried to wipe out and replace with their own?

Seriously, some people are so moronic I wonder how they manage to breathe without constant care.

This is not about the "sanctity of marriage", if it were, the various churches would be doing something about the massive divorce rates. Where's your "sanctity of marriage" there?

This is about gay people having equality. I do not know which laws are in place discriminating against gay people there, but in the UK, you could be made homeless if your partner of fifty years died, you could be refused visitation rights in hospital, you'd be taxed to the hilt on inheritance... the list goes on.

I have no idea what makes some people (like CreeWolf) think that their way of life is somehow more acceptable or superior than another (I have a distinct feeling this comes back to Right-Wing fundamental Christians again though), or why they think others deserve less rights, less freedoms and less basic respect.

It has no effect on you how others choose to live, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to try to dictate to others how they should live when it has no bearing on your existence.

What does it matter to you if a gay man or lesbian woman can visit their partner in hospital, or leave their home to their partner? Fact is, it shouldn't matter to you at all, but it does because you (like so many other religious fanatics) believe that you have a right to tell other people that they must live by your rules.

The video was yet more propaganda. I'm as fed up as those guys there of hearing right-wing fanatics trying to be the next Hitler and giving their religious freedom as an excuse to dictate to the masses.
This was a democratic decision, and the fight to repeal it should be democratic too, without all the fanatics using the cross to hide their bigotry behind.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to take a walk, and try to forget that there are some truly hateful people in this world.

Acidtastic

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 04:45 AM

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(though it's down at the moment,it'll be back soon)

LiquidMirage

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by CreeWolf

Is there a religion on earth where gay and lesbian "marriages" are "sacred"?

Yes!

It is called secular progressivism, or more commonly, liberalism.

TommyG

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 05:09 AM

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I see a bunch of stupid things here... First of all, shame on the media for taking that poor lady into the middle of a mob to speak her mind professionally. Unless she was there for a debate, shame on that reporter and camera crew.

Secondly, I am not homophobic, I truly believe, to each their own, but are these people much more emotional, passionate, and able to fly off the handle easier than straight people? It always seems to me that that some homosexual men are either laughing or crying... Extremely happy or extremely angry. However their anger is never really focused. Sorry if I am ignorant to this, but I really have seen it as an observation. Also I am speaking in general... not trying to be stereotypical here as well.

Resinveins

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 05:39 AM

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Nothing shows class quite like ripping things from an old lady's hands, and then screaming in her face. I don't care why she was there. I don't care what she was carrying. I don't even care what she said or what her agenda was. You don't treat the elderly like that. If that was your mother or grandmother would you be okay with her being treated in that fashion?

VelvetSplash

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by SonicInfinity

It's fine by me if you opposed Proposition 8. It's fine if you want to protest it and bring it back into the courts for reevaluation. It's another thing when you attack an elderly women with an opposing opinion without letting her speak her mind.

Is this going on in other places as well, or is it just a one-time thing?

What, do you think there's a nationwide organised effort to find "elderly women" (who's fit and healthy enough to go protesting) with canes and tippy-toe all over them?

Seems like a couple of people got fired up in the heat of the moment is all. It's a passionate topic.

The bigger question is why do people who oppose same-sex unions even care? It has nothing to do with them, get a life and stop trying to tell other people how to live theirs.

Lucid Lunacy

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by LiquidMirage
God I hate liberals!

This video perfectly illustrates that the only way to deal with libs is through superior fire power!

Pull the old lady out of their and call in a napalm strike!

Problem solved!

And I love how you remind all of us why the terms 'hate' and 'bigotry' are justifiably used on ATS.

Jezus

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by CreeWolf
Let gays and lesbians establish their own nation with their own Constitution.

Eh, even for all our problems I still think the United States is one of the most enlightened countries in the world.

They may have a long way to go, but homosexuals have made a lot of progress and will only continue to do so.

Thankfully our Constitution is already good for preventing religious persecution and civil rights invasions, ya just gotta read it and apply it.

Lucid Lunacy

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 06:06 AM

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Humanity doesn't need the approval of a Church to deem a couples marriage to be sacred. The binding of two persons love is sacred in of itself.

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Raustin

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 06:08 AM

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I'm a fairly conservative guy but I don't get the ban at all. I sometimes get a little uncomfortable around people of the gay persuasion, but that's really more my problem. In this country you should be allowed to do what you want as long as you're not hurting/endangering others. It was stupid for these guys to act the way they did, but I think we can all agree there is probably something we would flip out about too. Let them be happy, the cooties won't rub off on you.

WickedStar

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
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Terrible actions that should be punished. It is very telling that the anti-gay or pro-8 people immediately turn this into an issue involving all gays and tolerance in general. These were a few people doing something stupid and wrong, please don’t use this to fuel your own bigotry or to lump all gays together and put them down. When a young gay man was shot this year because of his orientation, or another gay male last year was beaten to death because of his orientation I didn’t put down all straight people, or people like the ones on this site that sometimes make disconcerting comments about homosexuals, or religious people who believe terrible things about gay people-have no trouble saying it-and think their religion encourages it. Gays are persecuted by straights constantly; I don’t use that to fuel a dislike towards all straight people who disagree with me on issues involving homosexuals. I hope straight people will not use this instance to do the opposite when it comes to gays.

Let me echo this sentiment agian because it obviously slipped your over your head. The prop 8 protesters weren't stomping on the cross because it is a symbol of Christanity - they were stomping on it because these "Christians" were using it as a tool of oppression. And let me also add. When that lady used the symbol of Pure Compassion as a tool of biggoted oppression she denigrated and ruined it first - the protesters just followed suit. And truthfully - it needed to be done. When the prop 8 ammendment was introduced it became then a Civil Rights issue. We can talk about Civil Unions till the cows come home but there was no ammendment introducing civil unions in place of gay marriage and there exists no civil union clause in California. This was a blatant attempt to rattify bigotry and oppression into California's constitution and it should be fought and it will be fought. This is 2008 people - you prop 8 supporters are acting like you're living in the 1950's!

And to the Original Poster - you're a foolish sensationalist.

WickedStar

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:11 AM

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How can you say that their anger isn't focused? They are protesting a very specific item that has rattified blatant discrimination agianst them! HELLOOOO? Secondly, if we didn't have to live in fear of being murdered in the streets everyday or beaten in the streets then drug into the wilderness, thrown into a barbed wire fence and beaten again we wouldn't be crying all the time. YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! Do us all a favor and actually think purposefully before you post nonsense.

beforetime

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:28 AM

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niteboy82

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:30 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by SonicInfinity

While I understand what you are trying to convey, and you are obviously angered by this, your source is going all nutty yelling "leftist" about this. There are gay Republicans that want to get married just as much as there are gay Democrats that want to get married.

Taking the attacks into consideration, was it rude? Yes. However, I bet Alex Jones wouldn't have put out an angry story if it was a Koran or the Tanakh that was stomped. To take an incident that involved protests by gay people and then turn it around to make it a reflection upon all gay people is no different than taking a terrorist attack perpetrated by an Israeli teenager and use it as a means to create hate against all Jews to further a personal agenda.

Gays do not have some secret underground railroad communications system where they plan all of this around the globe, so its a bit far fetched to place the blame on all of them as if they're secretly in the know.

I'm sure there are random gays all around the world that do some pretty dastardly things. I'm also sure that there are random heterosexuals that do some terrible things. There are some hermaphrodites out there that have stepped out of line before too. Does any of it make it excusable? No. Should we ignorantly go after one minority group because we have a personal agenda that says that homosexuals should behave better than other people if they want to have the same rights the rest of the groups have? Sounds pretty ignorant.

I'm unclear why one group of people are required to live more decently than heterosexuals just in order to share their rights to happiness.

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How many people have watched the video before responding? There is no assault going on. They take the cross out of her hands, well, I guess they are yanking it out of her hands. It is not as if they took the cross out of her hands and then started whacking her over the head with it. Theft I can see, assault I think not.

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A world where Matthew Shepherd is the norm will simply not be tolerated. The defenses that I saw for those boys coming from some people were utterly flooring. There just may be that gay underground railroad network then that I mentioned above.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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MacDonagh

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:33 AM

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Ah right. I always knew HIV was a codename for some kind of killer robot that has shoulder missiles of all kinds to take down outspoken opponents that disagree with the gays.

Or not.

Victoria 1

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:37 AM

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Can you imagine if a conservative did that. It's be ALLLLL over the news.

Leo Strauss

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 07:58 AM

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Here is the link.

OXNARD, Calif. — Hundreds of mourners gathered at a church here on Friday to remember an eighth-grade boy who was shot to death inside a junior high school computer lab by a fellow student in what prosecutors are calling a hate crime.

The New York Times
Oxnard is known as a laid-back beach community.
In recent weeks, the victim, Lawrence King, 15, had said publicly that he was gay, classmates said, enduring harassment from a group of schoolmates, including the 14-year-old boy charged in his death.

“God knit Larry together and made him wonderfully complex,” the Rev. Dan Birchfield of Westminster Presbyterian Church told the crowd as he stood in front of a large photograph of the victim. “Larry was a masterpiece.”

The shooting stunned residents of Oxnard, a laid-back middle-class beach community just north of Malibu. It also drew a strong reaction from gay and civil rights groups.

Happens all the time...REAL assaults on gays...REAL murders of gays by what could be characterized as "christian killers". I would not characterize this murder as a "christian killing"! But it is funny the power of words to spread hatred and intolerance.

Jezus

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Happens all the time...REAL assaults on gays...REAL murders of gays by what could be characterized as "christian killers". I would not characterize this murder as a "christian killing"! But it is funny the power of words to spread hatred and intolerance.

If homosexuals are fundamentally immoral?

Isn't it not as bad to kill them?

Does the old testament say anything about stoning gays?

Marcus Calpurnius

posted on Nov, 12 2008 @ 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by laiguana
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That video made me LOL! But seriously...that old woman was provoking a large angry crowd full of gay men. While I don't agree with them pulling away things from her hands, it shouldn't be difficult to see how was simply there as a provocateur.

Oh give me a break! Now suddenly left wing fanatics are being given passes on violence because other people DARE to disagree with them. What the hell is going through your head when you rationalize that? You seem to be saying that anyone who might protest against your protest is "provoking" and deserves a violent response?

Maybe people should start pushing these gay protesters around for provoking them.