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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 04:41 AM by Acidtastic
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I've nothing against religios principles....in principle  But people who say gays are against this that or the other,forget 1 thing. Your god made
us all,and he/she made us all the way we all are. So saying that we are against god,is saying that god is wrong. Which goes against the beliefs of
religios folk IIRC.
It's funny how people pick and chose which bits of their religion they like better,to fit in with their own prejudices.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 04:42 AM by detachedindividual
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Originally posted by CreeWolf
I've got a solution! Let gays and lesbians establish their own nation with their own Constitution. There, they can marry, propagate and circumvent
all that silliness of living in a nation founded on religious principles......you know, like the UK, US, Saudi Arabia, India, and practically
EVERY NATION on EARTH! 
Is there a religion on earth where gay and lesbian "marriages" are "sacred"?
[edit on 12-11-2008 by CreeWolf]
Oh my god! Yes, I said GOD! Does that offend you?
And yes, there is a religion where gay people are recognized and respected as equals in all aspects, look up "Paganism". You know, that ancient
belief system that the invaders tried to wipe out and replace with their own?
Seriously, some people are so moronic I wonder how they manage to breathe without constant care.
This is not about the "sanctity of marriage", if it were, the various churches would be doing something about the massive divorce rates. Where's
your "sanctity of marriage" there?
This is about gay people having equality. I do not know which laws are in place discriminating against gay people there, but in the UK, you could be
made homeless if your partner of fifty years died, you could be refused visitation rights in hospital, you'd be taxed to the hilt on inheritance...
the list goes on.
I have no idea what makes some people (like CreeWolf) think that their way of life is somehow more acceptable or superior than another (I have a
distinct feeling this comes back to Right-Wing fundamental Christians again though), or why they think others deserve less rights, less freedoms and
less basic respect.
It has no effect on you how others choose to live, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to try to dictate to others how they should live when it has no
bearing on your existence.
What does it matter to you if a gay man or lesbian woman can visit their partner in hospital, or leave their home to their partner? Fact is, it
shouldn't matter to you at all, but it does because you (like so many other religious fanatics) believe that you have a right to tell other people
that they must live by your rules.
The video was yet more propaganda. I'm as fed up as those guys there of hearing right-wing fanatics trying to be the next Hitler and giving their
religious freedom as an excuse to dictate to the masses.
This was a democratic decision, and the fight to repeal it should be democratic too, without all the fanatics using the cross to hide their bigotry
behind.
Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to take a walk, and try to forget that there are some truly hateful people in this world.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 04:45 AM by Acidtastic
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go to BTS and check the puppycam for instant niceness restoral. 
(though it's down at the moment,it'll be back soon)
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 04:47 AM by LiquidMirage
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Originally posted by CreeWolf
Is there a religion on earth where gay and lesbian "marriages" are "sacred"?
Yes!
It is called secular progressivism, or more commonly, liberalism.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:09 AM by TommyG
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I see a bunch of stupid things here... First of all, shame on the media for taking that poor lady into the middle of a mob to speak her mind
professionally. Unless she was there for a debate, shame on that reporter and camera crew.
Secondly, I am not homophobic, I truly believe, to each their own, but are these people much more emotional, passionate, and able to fly off the
handle easier than straight people? It always seems to me that that some homosexual men are either laughing or crying... Extremely happy or extremely
angry. However their anger is never really focused. Sorry if I am ignorant to this, but I really have seen it as an observation. Also I am speaking in
general... not trying to be stereotypical here as well.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:39 AM by Resinveins
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Nothing shows class quite like ripping things from an old lady's hands, and then screaming in her face. I don't care why she was there. I don't
care what she was carrying. I don't even care what she said or what her agenda was. You don't treat the elderly like that. If that was your mother
or grandmother would you be okay with her being treated in that fashion?
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 05:43 AM by VelvetSplash
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Originally posted by SonicInfinity
It's fine by me if you opposed Proposition 8. It's fine if you want to protest it and bring it back into the courts for reevaluation. It's another
thing when you attack an elderly women with an opposing opinion without letting her speak her mind.
Is this going on in other places as well, or is it just a one-time thing?
What, do you think there's a nationwide organised effort to find "elderly women" (who's fit and healthy enough to go protesting) with canes and
tippy-toe all over them? 
Seems like a couple of people got fired up in the heat of the moment is all. It's a passionate topic.
The bigger question is why do people who oppose same-sex unions even care? It has nothing to do with them, get a life and stop trying to tell other
people how to live theirs.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:00 AM by Lucid Lunacy
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Originally posted by LiquidMirage
God I hate liberals!
This video perfectly illustrates that the only way to deal with libs is through superior fire power!
Pull the old lady out of their and call in a napalm strike!
Problem solved!
And I love how you remind all of us why the terms 'hate' and 'bigotry' are justifiably used on ATS.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:01 AM by Jezus
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Originally posted by CreeWolf
Let gays and lesbians establish their own nation with their own Constitution.
Eh, even for all our problems I still think the United States is one of the most enlightened countries in the world.
They may have a long way to go, but homosexuals have made a lot of progress and will only continue to do so.
Thankfully our Constitution is already good for preventing religious persecution and civil rights invasions, ya just gotta read it and apply it.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:06 AM by Lucid Lunacy
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reply to post by CreeWolf
Humanity doesn't need the approval of a Church to deem a couples marriage to be sacred. The binding of two persons love is sacred in of itself.
[edit on 12-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 06:08 AM by Raustin
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I'm a fairly conservative guy but I don't get the ban at all. I sometimes get a little uncomfortable around people of the gay persuasion, but
that's really more my problem. In this country you should be allowed to do what you want as long as you're not hurting/endangering others. It was
stupid for these guys to act the way they did, but I think we can all agree there is probably something we would flip out about too. Let them be
happy, the cooties won't rub off on you.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:03 AM by WickedStar
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reply to post by CreeWolf
Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by SonicInfinity
Terrible actions that should be punished. It is very telling that the anti-gay or pro-8 people immediately turn this into an issue involving all gays
and tolerance in general. These were a few people doing something stupid and wrong, please don’t use this to fuel your own bigotry or to lump all
gays together and put them down. When a young gay man was shot this year because of his orientation, or another gay male last year was beaten to death
because of his orientation I didn’t put down all straight people, or people like the ones on this site that sometimes make disconcerting comments
about homosexuals, or religious people who believe terrible things about gay people-have no trouble saying it-and think their religion encourages it.
Gays are persecuted by straights constantly; I don’t use that to fuel a dislike towards all straight people who disagree with me on issues involving
homosexuals. I hope straight people will not use this instance to do the opposite when it comes to gays.
Let me echo this sentiment agian because it obviously slipped your over your head. The prop 8 protesters weren't stomping on the cross because it is
a symbol of Christanity - they were stomping on it because these "Christians" were using it as a tool of oppression. And let me also add. When
that lady used the symbol of Pure Compassion as a tool of biggoted oppression she denigrated and ruined it first - the protesters just followed suit.
And truthfully - it needed to be done. When the prop 8 ammendment was introduced it became then a Civil Rights issue. We can talk about Civil Unions
till the cows come home but there was no ammendment introducing civil unions in place of gay marriage and there exists no civil union clause in
California. This was a blatant attempt to rattify bigotry and oppression into California's constitution and it should be fought and it will be
fought. This is 2008 people - you prop 8 supporters are acting like you're living in the 1950's!
And to the Original Poster - you're a foolish sensationalist.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:11 AM by WickedStar
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How can you say that their anger isn't focused? They are protesting a very specific item that has rattified blatant discrimination agianst them!
HELLOOOO? Secondly, if we didn't have to live in fear of being murdered in the streets everyday or beaten in the streets then drug into the
wilderness, thrown into a barbed wire fence and beaten again we wouldn't be crying all the time. YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! Do us all a favor
and actually think purposefully before you post nonsense.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:28 AM by beforetime
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:30 AM by niteboy82
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion. reply to post by SonicInfinity
While I understand what you are trying to convey, and you are obviously angered by this, your source is going all nutty yelling "leftist" about
this. There are gay Republicans that want to get married just as much as there are gay Democrats that want to get married.
Taking the attacks into consideration, was it rude? Yes. However, I bet Alex Jones wouldn't have put out an angry story if it was a Koran or the
Tanakh that was stomped. To take an incident that involved protests by gay people and then turn it around to make it a reflection upon all gay people
is no different than taking a terrorist attack perpetrated by an Israeli teenager and use it as a means to create hate against all Jews to further a
personal agenda.
Gays do not have some secret underground railroad communications system where they plan all of this around the globe, so its a bit far fetched to
place the blame on all of them as if they're secretly in the know.
I'm sure there are random gays all around the world that do some pretty dastardly things. I'm also sure that there are random heterosexuals that do
some terrible things. There are some hermaphrodites out there that have stepped out of line before too. Does any of it make it excusable? No. Should
we ignorantly go after one minority group because we have a personal agenda that says that homosexuals should behave better than other people if they
want to have the same rights the rest of the groups have? Sounds pretty ignorant.
I'm unclear why one group of people are required to live more decently than heterosexuals just in order to share their rights to happiness.
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How many people have watched the video before responding? There is no assault going on. They take the cross out of her hands, well, I guess they are
yanking it out of her hands. It is not as if they took the cross out of her hands and then started whacking her over the head with it. Theft I can
see, assault I think not. 
reply to post by WickedStar
A world where Matthew Shepherd is the norm will simply not be tolerated. The defenses that I saw for those boys coming from some people were utterly
flooring. There just may be that gay underground railroad network then that I mentioned above.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
[edit on 11/12/08 by niteboy82]
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:33 AM by MacDonagh
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Ah right. I always knew HIV was a codename for some kind of killer robot that has shoulder missiles of all kinds to take down outspoken opponents that
disagree with the gays.
Or not.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:37 AM by Victoria 1
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Can you imagine if a conservative did that. It's be ALLLLL over the news.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 07:58 AM by Leo Strauss
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Here is the link.
OXNARD, Calif. — Hundreds of mourners gathered at a church here on Friday to remember an eighth-grade boy who was shot to death inside a junior
high school computer lab by a fellow student in what prosecutors are calling a hate crime.
The New York Times
Oxnard is known as a laid-back beach community.
In recent weeks, the victim, Lawrence King, 15, had said publicly that he was gay, classmates said, enduring harassment from a group of schoolmates,
including the 14-year-old boy charged in his death.
“God knit Larry together and made him wonderfully complex,” the Rev. Dan Birchfield of Westminster Presbyterian Church told the crowd as he stood
in front of a large photograph of the victim. “Larry was a masterpiece.”
The shooting stunned residents of Oxnard, a laid-back middle-class beach community just north of Malibu. It also drew a strong reaction from gay and
civil rights groups.
Happens all the time...REAL assaults on gays...REAL murders of gays by what could be characterized as "christian killers". I would not characterize
this murder as a "christian killing"! But it is funny the power of words to spread hatred and intolerance.
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 08:49 AM by Jezus
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Happens all the time...REAL assaults on gays...REAL murders of gays by what could be characterized as "christian killers". I would not characterize
this murder as a "christian killing"! But it is funny the power of words to spread hatred and intolerance.
If homosexuals are fundamentally immoral?
Isn't it not as bad to kill them?
Does the old testament say anything about stoning gays?
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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 09:07 AM by Marcus Calpurnius
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Originally posted by laiguana
reply to post by SonicInfinity
That video made me LOL! But seriously...that old woman was provoking a large angry crowd full of gay men. While I don't agree with them pulling away
things from her hands, it shouldn't be difficult to see how was simply there as a provocateur.
Oh give me a break! Now suddenly left wing fanatics are being given passes on violence because other people DARE to disagree with them. What the hell
is going through your head when you rationalize that? You seem to be saying that anyone who might protest against your protest is "provoking" and
deserves a violent response?
Maybe people should start pushing these gay protesters around for provoking them.
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