Follow-up story: Mombasa Imam who confirmed Obama's birth place arrives in the UK

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posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by MAINTAL

Originally posted by nunya13


#1 API is full of baloney


yeah, and so is Obama



#2 Drfractal linking to whatreallyhappened.com where they have evidence of a microfish copy of the Hawaiin newspaper announcing the birth of Barack Obama where they need a copy of the birth certificate in order to even print it. As I have said before, it would be a pretty extensive and incredible conspiracy for people to have been in on this since the day he was born. All this would have to be based on the idea that they all knew he was going to run for president one day.


Apparently not, and as proven by the Grand Obama, himself, all one needs to do is mention where they were born and most people just assume it to be something, already checked out so unlikely that no one really cares to scrutinize this kind of issue. If anyone does say anything just deny them a glance at it and put up a lot of smoke and mirrors and ipso facto! It's that easy to pull off.



#3 The Supreme court judge is NOT requiring Obama to cough up the certificate as there is absolutely no evidence what so ever to back up the claim that he is not a natural born citizen.


Yes their is

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So since I'M actually the one you were responding to I'll respond back.

Very childish to completely ignore that the very source of this story is not even remotely credible and just put it back onto Obama. Why not address the fact the source is terribly flawed??

You never responded to the evidence of the birth announcement and completely digressed from the issue of that still claiming that Obama lied about his place of birth. How do explain that a newspaper which REQUIRES that you give a birth certificate to announce the birth did so without a Hawaii BC??

And you say that there is proof of Obama being naturalized but you haven't shown us any. Please do. By all means.




posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Servigistics
 


Israeli Insider? That's your source?

If Obama admitted it was forged, where is the documentation of him admitting it? There must have been an interview?

You said Obama himself admitted it. Where did he do this?

Pfft. Israeli Insider. You insult me.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]


I suggest you give up on that one too, as I think they are tired of your whining from the peanut gallery. They know if it is against Obama, Mick thinks it is garbage and it doesn't matter what website it comes from, YOU will always have a problem with it making your usual digs and un necessary comments.

Then you wonder why nobody listens to you when you bring up why the DOH isn't good enough or who ever else is in Obama's pocket you have mentioned. Take it for what it's worth Mick, but I think the snide remarks you always have to add hurt your testimony and no one listens to you anymore. I think you are a sharp guy just seems you are taking this to heart so much that it gets vented in ways that end up hurting your cause.

Like I said, take it for what it's worth



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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Has anyone read this article?

www.remoteviewer.nu...




There is a sense of relief tonight. Those who have relentlessly put hours into ensuring the safety of Imam document(s) have fianlly managed to have the envelope secured in a safe place in the United Kingdom, now out of reach by anybody.

The gruelling taks remains. How to ensure safe passage to the US and its custody thereafter. It may sound a simple task to many who are following the case. Some may be of the opinion that the envelope should be carried by somebody just like any any personal document(s) forgetting that the airports have the right to go through any luggage they choose and if the contents of the document(s) is detected and understood to be solid and may reveal Mr Obama’s real identity, it may not reach the destination if the officer checking the luggage may decide to confiscate it if he or she is Obama’s die-hard supporter.

The imprtant job was done 24 hours ago in Birmingham, UK. The document(s) of interest was scanned out from the main handwritten log book that contains all children blessed and given names in Mombasa in 1961 and 1962, before Kenya gained her independence. When a child is born, blessed and given a name, everything is recorded in the log book by hand and given special numbers that would expose any temperings with the log entries.





Jemison


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posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by nunya13


Very childish to completely ignore that the very source of this story is not even remotely credible and just put it back onto Obama. Why not address the fact the source is terribly flawed??




You never responded to the evidence of the birth announcement and completely digressed from the issue of that still claiming that Obama lied about his place of birth. How do explain that a newspaper which REQUIRES that you give a birth certificate to announce the birth did so without a Hawaii BC??


Well first of all that's a crock, I know people on News papers and to suggest they are more strict about printing the news of a birth REQUIRING a vault BC while the Office of President does NOT?

I can just see it now,, someone telling Obama, "Hey barry, don't worry about that silly birth certificate, hell just give a a note from your mom saying where you were born. "Oh but umm by the way, DON'T YOU DARE try to make an announcement for the birth of a child in an American News Paper without the original Vault BC!


See that's where it goes over the line!

sheesh



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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How do explain that a newspaper which REQUIRES that you give a birth certificate to announce the birth did so without a Hawaii BC??


Newspapers don't require birth certificates to announce births. All you have to do is submit a form that has the information on it, no birth certificate required, nor would they even want one. They don't want all of that extra paperwork.

Jemison



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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Looks like more jumping on the band wagon.......




Alan Keyes sues Obama and SOS and Electors in California over Obama’s citizenship


follow the link for the pdf filing atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...


sorry if this has been posted

looks like a slightly different approach. They are trying to stop California electorate from voting until a colb is provided.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:02 PM
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Alan Keyes. What a noob.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:04 PM
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Why would they place an ad in the paper if he wasn't born there? They knew he'd need to be a natural born citizen at birth? Some conspiracies just don't work.

reply to post by MAINTAL
 


If it really happened, a source besides Israeli Insider will have picked up on it.


Why is it all of the stuff that turns out false always gets tracked back to the same sources? Would you accept liberalmedia.com for a source that said Bush is going to remain in power as a dictator?

I've petitioned for that post to be removed under the terms that it cited false information from a biased source, which also, coincidentally, forgot to source it's information.


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posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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reply to post by MAINTAL
 


Has nothing to do with moderators. I cannot take matters into my own hands, or else I'll get banned, so I will take the correct method.

I will not sit here and let people post false information with fake sources. You can get upset and use ad-hominem attacks if you want, it won't stop me - nor will it get you any respect on this board.

How about answering this question:

"Would you accept liberalmedia.com for a source that said Bush is going to remain in power as a dictator? "

You somehow skipped over it.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck



How about answering this question:

"Would you accept liberalmedia.com for a source that said Bush is going to remain in power as a dictator? "

You somehow skipped over it.



Oh I didn't really think you were serious,, umm no not unless Rush Limbaugh Alan Keyes, Sean Hannity and FOX news backed it up.





posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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reply to post by MAINTAL
 


Point taken then, I assume?



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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It still remains that NO ONE has seen this in the media. To acuse the messenger out of hand with out vetting the documents first only shows how realy scared the Obamaites are that maybe, just maybe, this isn't the smoke and mirrors they realy want it to be!
Zindo



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:52 PM
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I don't even think that was a structurally-sound sentence. What?



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 12:51 AM
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Its all made and done to make way for our buddy, son of the volunteer SS officer - Arnold "I have dreamed of ruling a people" Schwartzenegger.

If this is proven, and the media, Government and all those important people ignore this and let it go, I can guarantee that this will open the door to modifying the Constitution in order to let foreign born citizens run for President.

Rove had several closed door meetings with Arnold in 2005. I would keep an eye out for the next major false flag terror attack to happen in Arnold's Cal-ee-for-neea and just for the misguided purpose of thrusting him into the spotlight as a real and proven leader as well as a National hero in the face of terror and for his quick preplanned action for relief and rescue.

Look out, I have felt this would happen even before Obama decided to run, I just couldn't figure out how they were going to do it. Now I know!

Thats all


I didn't vote for Obama or McBush - However I voted.

[edit on 15-11-2008 by arizonascott]



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Jemison
 


Why would they place an ad in the paper if he wasn't born there? They knew he'd need to be a natural born citizen at birth? Some conspiracies just don't work.


Because his parents knew then that he was going to grow-up and scam the American people and become the President. His parents are part of some NWO breeding programme!!!!111

Or if that doesn't stick:

That birth announcement in the paper is a phony!!! I want proof that this microfiche is the real thing. That microfiche is a scan of an original! What part of 'scan' don't you understand? I want to see the original! Why is no one showing us the original? What are they hiding?!



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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Rove had several closed door meetings with Arnold in 2005. I would keep an eye out for the next major false flag terror attack to happen in Arnold's Cal-ee-for-neea and just for the misguided purpose of thrusting him into the spotlight as a real and proven leader as well as a National hero in the face of terror and for his quick preplanned action for relief and rescue.


This really didn't work for Giuliani (i know mayor vs. gov).




Why would they place an ad in the paper if he wasn't born there? They knew he'd need to be a natural born citizen at birth? Some conspiracies just don't work.



This could have been requested by proud grandparents... Perhaps trying to ensure it appeared he was born in the US which may in those days afforded him much better opportunity for his future. I am not saying this is how it happened, just looking for possibilities.

On another note, i can't imagine what interracial issues may have existing back in the early 60's. His mother must certainly have had some strength to deal with this stuff.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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Obamas Birth certificate is real. Don't fall for mis information.

Born in the U.S.A.




Summary

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said. Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.



Please read the entire article. If someone else has posted this already, I am sorry for the repeat!



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Servigistics
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So why haven't they seen it??


Because the original vaulted one has never been released, the ONLY one that has been was the FORGED one that the Obama administration ADMITTED was FORGED...why would they release a FORGE? People usually dont do something like that, unless they are trying to get away with something....

Forged

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And you think the CIA would not be able to get access to the original without having to wait for the release of it by the Obama campaign ?? It is still in the hands of the Hawaii dept of records, after all....walk in, flash a badge, get to look at anything they wanted.

These folks also seem to have gotten access to the original, and they have pictures of the raised seal....they even have a link to the Hawaii dept of health request form (pdf) where you could presumably order your very own copy, if you're willing to send them $10.
www.factcheck.org...
pdf form here:
hawaii.gov...

As to your claim that that someone "admitted" to a forgery, the article you cite gives credit for this "admission" to a blog....hardly the "Obama administration"....and it also goes on to say...


...unconfirmed reports that Obama was not in fact born in the United States (Canada and Kenya were suggested as the possible locations of his actual birth). Since he would in that case not be a natural born US citizen (his mother was not present in the US sufficiently long as an adult to pass American citizenship on to him automatically),


your source


They've not been too careful to keep their other "facts" straight....she was born in Kansas, spent her teen years in Washington State, then moved to Hawaii....if that's not long enough to give one's child 'automatic' US citizenship, then my kids aren't citizens either....



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
To acuse the messenger out of hand with out vetting the documents first only shows how realy scared the Obamaites are that maybe, just maybe, this isn't the smoke and mirrors they realy want it to be!
Zindo


Its not a matter of wanting it to be.

Its a matter of the truth and recognizing it when you see it.

At present, Obama is on course to be sworn in.

At present a handful of courts have thrown out the lawsuits that were addressing this very issue.

Its highly probably that US intelligence has exhausted the issue and that the result is what you have today.

Welcome to ATS. Where any possibility is presented, but not everything is credible. To deny ignorance is what we do here.

Should Obamas birth certificate not remove him from office, then people should do the stand up thing and accept it. The PTB have spoken, so your choice is to deal with it, or deny it. Its your choice.

Which, leads me to the conclusion, that no matter what is done, should it be nothing, that the doubters will believe it was a cover up, and the rest of us will say I told you so. Either way were right in our own mind.

Is it possible he is a citizen legally? Sure it is.
Is it possible he isn't a citizen legally? Sure it is.

Do I care on a technicality when his mother was from Kansas?

No.

Peace


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