posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 09:00 PM
Originally posted by citizenc
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum
And here we begin to agree, I I may continue where you and EldersCouncil left off.
This is exactly what I have been saying, about the Mind not as the Thinker, but as a sensing attribute of the thinker.
All psychological differences. I would like you to comment on your views on that specifically, to hear how you see it. “
I will try to be brief. It seems if we really look modern psychology, as genuine and enlightening as it can be, is in some ways incomplete. There are
different ways to approach things, there is “more than one way to skin a cat”. If we want to know what an emotion is for instance, we could study
the effects of it within ourselves and others, the results of certain feelings, how it affects our actions, how it also relates to our thoughts etc.
To be honest though, this is for the most part studying the physical effects of something which at its origins might not be physical. As far as I know
we have not yet been able to physically isolate, measure or quantify these things to any degree. Where do they actually exist, what are they, why?
This is where conventional scientific methods seem to falter. There are many different aspects, facets or dimensions to each of us. They give us the
sense of our “self” as we know it. Apart from the physical which our physical body is made we have dimensions that correspond to our other finer
or more psychological parts. Dimensions, realms, worlds, whatever. These things which are not physical, which also go to make up what we are, do have
an objective and substantial existence in there own way as part of nature and can be studied.
Also we have the thing that animates us, called by many names. The thing that allows us to be aware. To be conscious. Without which we would simply be
a form of organic machine, or robot. It is part of our psyche, though sadly in a limited way. It is pure light itself, though really all descriptions
of it will fail. Something that in itself is beyond any sense of time or self. We are all part of this same light, joined, connected at this level. An
experience of this can make it very obvious. I once heard an analogy which is not mine, though very appropriate. Whatever comes within this inner
light is that which we are aware of, that which doesn’t is what we are unaware of. Beautiful and simple. We are limited largely because we identify
so heavily with our mind and lower emotions, which can be so relentless that we can think this is what we are. Our own mind is largely beyond what we
are normally aware of, why random thoughts seem to come from nowhere. This is why I say my mind cannot really “know”. It can do many things, but
it is something else that can truly “know”. It is necessary and useful but we should never see it as more than it is. We should learn how to use
it. There is intelligent existence beyond the mind/intellect, this I know, without it being animated it is nothing. A phantom. To me this is very
distinct. This conscious and aware part is the part that can use the mind and “know”. It can illuminate.
This is not something that hasn’t been taught by many throughout history to the present day in one way or another. It is the methods that are
usually missing in some way, which usually end up with people being left either to believe or not. There are not many that go right into this subject
in a practical way, which is why I am interested to hear more. This to me is a form of pure science, and/or psychology. There is more beyond this, I
know, though I don’t know enough. This not just how I see it, but precisely what I have discovered over a very long time, as brief as I could be.
There is much I have left out. Other people might find, or have found something entirely different and I won’t argue with them. It can be best taken
as something for thought, to ponder or even discuss, with a grain of salt. Or not at all, if we wish.
[edit on 19-11-2008 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]