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Topic started on 10-11-2008 @ 10:09 PM by ashamedamerican
In 1976 four art students from Massachusetts had a UFO encounter on the Allagash Wilderness Waterway in northern Maine. Years later hypnosis revealed their nightmares to be more than repressed memories and missing time.

Jack and Jim Weiner, Chuck Rak and Charlie Foltz

On August 20, 1976 four students from The Massachusetts College of Art set out on a camping trip along the Allagash Wilderness Waterway, a 92 mile corridor of lakes and rivers in northern Maine. On the second night identical twins Jack and Jim Weiner, along with their friends Chuck Rak and Charlie Foltz witnessed a large glowing orb changing colors and hovering over the treetops near their camping site.

On August 26, while camping on the shores of Eagle Lake the four men decided to go night fishing and built a large bonfire to use as a makeshift lighthouse to find their way back to shore. While fishing Chuck Rak had the feeling that he was being obvserved, and when he looked over his shoulder he saw the same orb a couple of hundred yards away ascending out of the trees. The orb was estimated to be about 80 feet in diameter and slowly moved across the treetops along the bank of the lake. Upon Chuch Rak alerting his friends to what he had seen, Charlie Foltz used a flashlight to send an S.O.S. signal towards the orb, it instantly sent back a beam of light that surrounded their canoe and the orb rapidly closed in on their location.

Their fascination quickly turned into panic and they began frantically paddling towards the bonfire on shore. The next thing they remember is standing on shore and watching the object hovering 20 or 30 feet above the surface of the lake. Charlie Foltz pointed his flashlight at the object again and it shot off into the sky.
The large bonfire they had built was now a pile of embers, and to them only about 20 or 30 minutes had passed.
The men were exhausted and went to sleep without talking about the incident.

A few years later, Jim Weiner suffered a head injury that caused tempero-limbic epilepsy, his doctor asked him to report any unusual experiences, and upon telling them about some of the strange experiences he and his friends had endured, and the nightmares that followed the doctor advised him to contact a UFO researcher. His brother Jack admitted to having nightmares similar to his own. Jim Weiner contacted Raymond Fowler at a UFO lecture near boston seeking his help.

In In January of 1989, Raymond Fowler referred Jim to a professional hypnotist named Anthony Constantino. Under hypnosis all four men confirmed each other's repressed memories of being abducted and taken aboard the craft, where they were examined and samples of their bodily fluids were taken.

Their story has been told on the television shows "UFO Files" on the history channel and "Unsolved Mysteries"
The Allagash Abductions

Tinwiki.org The Allagash Incident




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reply posted on 11-11-2008 @ 01:39 AM by Unlimitedpossibilities
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Hello ashamedamerican! Nice article. I just remembered seeing that on the history channel years ago. It creeped me out.

BTW: Hope you do not mind. I saw you wrote "A few yeard later" and I corrected it to "A few years later," with the extra comma since its an opening.

ttyl


reply posted on 11-11-2008 @ 09:41 AM by ashamedamerican
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Of course I don't mind. And thank you for doing that.
I try to proof read everything I post but sometimes mistakes slip through.

I agree, very creepy story...
I used to camp near there and have had some odd experiences to say the least, which is why it creeps me out so much personally.



reply posted on 11-11-2008 @ 02:57 PM by Majorion
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Fascinating story ashamedamerican

I believe that these guys really did see a glowing orb of some sort, especially when one of them signals with his flashlight and the object responds, I've had a similar experience to that.

But I'm not sure that I believe the part involving regression and hypnosis. I have a hard time believing abductions and physical interactions.


I used to camp near there and have had some odd experiences to say the least, which is why it creeps me out so much personally.


Could you tell us about any paranormal experiences that you may have had while camping near there?


reply posted on 11-11-2008 @ 04:16 PM by ashamedamerican
Originally posted by Majorion
Could you tell us about any paranormal experiences that you may have had while camping near there?

I explained probably the strangest one here...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Near the bottom of the page.

The whole triangular area between Eagle Lake, Moosehead Lake, and Baxter State Park has had alot of odd reports that I'v seen over the years.
It makes me wonder if Loring AFB (one of the largest ICBM facilities in the northeast, or so I have read) has anything to do with it.
Loring is more northeast than the rest of these areas (near Limestone Maine) but I suppose it's possible, from what I'v read military bases and surrounding areas in remote parts of states seem to be hot spots for some reason.

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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 03:56 AM by Majorion
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I just read your story in the other thread, I find it very interesting.

Did your nose bleeds start directly after the incident, or did they start happening years later?

As I said earlier, I'm not one of those people who buy into abductions and stuff, I always feel like there is a better explanation. You say that there was missing time.. how old were you at the time of the incident? and is it possible that you may have mistook a "state of shock" from the encounter for "missing time"?



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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 01:40 PM by NGC2736
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I suppose it's more of a "take your pick" thing. Could this be some black ops thing? Sure. Could it be collusion between the operators of such a craft and the military? Yes again. Could it just be trash canning because that's the military way? Once more it seems affirmative. There's no way to know, but it is a point I found interesting.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 01:44 PM by kidflash2008
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This is one of the better abduction cases. There is some physical evidence (the marks on the individual) and the number of people there. In the History Channel, one of the individuals did not think they were abducted, but that it was a dream. The others weren't so sure about it. This case is more honest, as many others don't even want to speculate that they dreamed the whole thing up.

Thank you for posting this.


reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 01:48 PM by NGC2736
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The idea of four people having the same dream, during the same time frame, opens up another whole can of worms. On the surface, such an idea would seem directed by someone or something. It's not logical for multiple people to all have such an outlandish dream in concert, IMO.




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reply posted on 12-11-2008 @ 01:55 PM by kidflash2008
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I think the person wants it to be a dream. The other answer is that he was abducted against his will. I don't think he was ready to accept that as an answer. I believe there is strong evidence to suggest an abduction as most dreams do not leave scars of other physical traces.
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