A few questions for any Masons willing to answer , page 3

reply to post by eventHorizon

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I have never met a "traveling man" who gave me the slightest bit of discomfort.As for the F and AM being some kind of NWO cover-thats rubbish brotherhood spirtual enlightment and knowledge. "seek and ye shall find" Ask and ye shall recieve" "knock and the door shall be open upon you"

reply to post by alyosha1981

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alyosha1981,
my posts are not against Freemasonry. my point was rather
different; it's easy to envisage external observers suspecting any
secret society on the sole premise, well - that they are secret.

in my previous post, i actually wrote about common good acts
by free masons - please refer if needed.

however, freemasony (like everything else) is not perfect...
please refer to:
unionesarda.ilsole24ore.com...

to translate from Italian, please refer to:
babelfish.yahoo.com...

copy-paste text, and select Italian-to-English.

obviously, i could have posted translation however prefer to keep
it in the original state with the source being Italian newspaper.

also, you have a rather rare nickname for a mason, even on ATS.
if i'm not wrong, you probably could equally well served with
English-to-Russian option.

best regards to all mason replying to my posts.

reply to post by eventHorizon

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Of course, the irregular and unrecognized "Freemasonry of Trapano" has nothing to do with the three competing primary grand lodges in Italy - the Grand Orient of Italy (in amity with most mainstream US GLs), the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy (in amity with the UGLE), or the Grand Lodge of Italy (in amity with the Grand Orient of France).

Fellow who was caught is not a member of a regular masonic body, and:

An official of the Finance Ministry working in Agrigento, Calogero Licata was also arrested, as well as a businessman from Agrigento, Nicola Sorrentino, and an employee of the Court of Cassation, Guido Peparaio, employee of the registrar's office of the second penal section of the Court of Cassation. But according to the investigators the key figure is another arrested, the Roman wheeler-dealer Rodolfo Grancini.

freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com...

Meaning, only one fellow there was at all involved in anything you could consider masonic, and that one fellow was part of a irregular Masonic body.
The other fellows were business men who were not related to Masonry.

Edit; Come to think of it, this has been brought up here before. can't remember what the thread was though.

A copy a paste to the copy a paste form the other thread.


[edit on 12-11-2008 by RuneSpider]

reply to post by Max_TO

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Honestly, just be yourself. When your on the tour feel free to ask away about anything you see that you have questions about. Then ask if there are any public events coming up you can attend if you think it might be something your interested in learning more about.

After you've been to a few public events, if you find its something you like, then consider asking for a petition.



[edit on 12-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]

Originally posted by eventHorizon
reply to post by Rockpuck

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there is no dispute. i agree with your post.
i can't point a finger to any single secret society
and claim that they have an "evil" agenda.
if you will read my posts, my posts was focused
on secret societies in general, not on Freemasons
specifically. i applaud you and your "brothers" for
engaging in open communication on this board.
the more we (the readers) know, the better...

as of posts by other masons here, then:
- NWO is real - we see it in the making. i have no
solid facts, this is my belief based on what
is happening to our republic. and MM madness
associated with events lacking any substance.
- yes, to deny "good" acts by Freemasons would be
unjust. republic itself was created with their direct
involvement. i'm not disputng that, nor do i dispute
other contributions to human society, on intellectual level
and philanthropy. my point was that your organization
is used as a public show if you will, gathering attention
while other secret societies promote their secret agendas.
there was a post by Maban several weeks back dealing
with similar subject...too bad he is gone from ATS.
- also, regardless of what your detailed agenda is,
having one that is secret will raise doubts in external
observer's eyes. nonetheless, one doesn't need to
have a lodge to plot for NWO or wealth redistribution,
one just may have the luxury to be much more blant ourdays.

also, your replies are open, tolerant and appear honest,
that is appreciated. enlighten ATS readers further - information
is power afterall.

This is an excellent point.

Maban has returned to his work and disappeared quietly. His organization has faded from memory while we Freemasons continue to defend our craft and attention is diverted from him.

Current events have been very interesting in the context of Maban's posts.

If anyone remembers... Just after his departure Iceland had a major economic collapse. There was even a talk of having only five months of food available.

But, Iceland has faded from the headlines and the situation has stabilized magically. They are currently in an economic struggle with the EU, but it seems very coincidental that things have stabilized in the context of Maban's posts.

reply to post by emsed1

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emsed1,
i'm glad to know someone was reading my reply..
regarding Maban - i think - no, i'm confident that
one of the most amazing and revealing parts of
his communication on ATS was a swift mentioning
of multi-trillion dollar loan from Arabs to US, more
specifically to US Treasury in recent weeks...

facts like that, if true - can not be kept in secret
for a long time. sure, they probably can keep it
a secret several years but someone is gonna talk.
it is my point of view that Maban was knowledgeble,
sincere, and no offence to fellow masons readers
of this thread - knew more, or at least was ready
to reveal that that he knew to external observers...

it's sad that he is gone, and i hope they op is doing well.

reply to post by eventHorizon

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Yep, the loan amount was staggering and I never could find proof of it, but he said it was being 'filtered' in and wasn't one big chunk.

I never realized until I started researching after that post that the way we get into debt with foreign countries is by selling them Treasury Bonds.

My research turned up that we owe lots of countries, including Libya and others, that don't like us much.

Nope - it costs very little to nothing to join freemasonry, and the dues vary but I'd say the average are $50 a year. Add in the $75-200 it costs in fees to join, and you pay more for cable every year than you do to be a freemason

Friendly advice, pay cable, pay to play some pc game on internet or pay for some real education.... whatever you like but don’t pay a 1 dollar for some imaginary world. I believe in UFO and I believe that they exist but I would not pay a 1 dollar to someone who would claim that if I approach to his society I will be able to meet them because I know and I am smart enough to make contrast beat vine reality and imagination.

Read full article please:
www.cgca.net...

one part of article:

Masonic Claims
To its initiates the Masonic Lodge teaches: "Masonry is useful to all men: to the learned, because it affords them the opportunity of exercising their talents upon subjects eminently worthy of their attention; to the illiterate, because it offers them important instruction; to the young, because it presents them with salutary precepts and good examples, and accustoms them to reflect on the proper mode of living; to the man of the world, whom it furnishes with noble and useful recreation; to the traveler, whom it enables to find friends and brothers in countries where else he would be isolated and solitary; to the worthy man in misfortune, to whom it gives assistance; to the afflicted, on whom it lavishes consolation; to the charitable man, whom it enables to do more good, by uniting with those who are charitable like himself; and to all who have souls capable of appreciating its importance, and of enjoying the charms of a friendship founded on the same principles of religion, morality, and philanthropy" (Morals and Dogma, p. 113).

Now let us compare this with their actual practice. The Real Test God has set before each one of us a choice - a proving ground-to see whether we will love and obey Him and be allowed to live in the Kingdom which will be set up--or whether we will refuse and go our own way, into the lake of fire (Deut. 30:19-20).

Other plans of salvation which teach a different reward and a different way of getting eternal life are without God's authority. Those foolish who waste their lives in pursuing such "wind" are unfortunate indeed.

Freemasonry is just such a counterfeit. Its members waste untold hours acting out foolish rituals which accomplish nothing, and memorizing endless dialogue which helps no one. They ponder the moral philosophies of the ancients to discover wisdom, but they acquire only a hodgepodge of deceptive and foolish pagan reasonings.

God declares there is only one WAY to live happy, useful lives. And that is the way HE has appointed for us. Any other-such as Masonry-no matter how good it may look, is at best a counterfeit and serves only to dupe people into thinking that they have what they have not.

Originally posted by Cristo
Friendly advice, pay cable, pay to play some pc game on internet or pay for some real education.... whatever you like but don’t pay a 1 dollar for some imaginary world. I believe in UFO and I believe that they exist but I would not pay a 1 dollar to someone who would claim that if I approach to his society I will be able to meet them because I know and I am smart enough to make contrast beat vine reality and imagination.

I really don't take advice from those who demonstrably are giving advice on something they clearly do not understand. Your not paying to get knowledge, your paying to upkeep the building and a portion of it goes to charity in most cases. You pay more for internet access per year than the average freemason most likely, and your complaining about paying for some "imaginary world"? Pot, meet kettle.

Originally posted by Cristo
Read full article please:
www.cgca.net...

I suggest you take your own advice and stop getting knowledge from imaginery sources. This is classical anti-mason propaganda, much of it a copy and paste job from freemasonry watch. I recommend you actually read a real source, like this one:
www.amazon.com...

Originally posted by Cristo
one part of article:

This is what happens when you blindly believe whatever you read on the internet - they don't even bother to source this propaganda.

This is the classical rabid "Christian" (in quotes because people who believe this clearly have no interest in real Christianity) attack on the fraternity, launched from ignorance.

Freemasonry is a secular organization, of which every person joins many. Your job, unless you are a pastor, is secular. Your school, unless its a religious private school, is secular. When you go to the mall, its secular. Hysterically casting masons into hell because they are part of a secular organization is hypocritical since EVERYONE takes part in secular life - it simply is reality. When you never go outside beyond your church and your religious school, then this sort of criticism may be legitimate.

Of course, the reality is that the article is also just plain wrong in most sections. Freemasonry does not teach salvation nor offer a plan of morality based on religion, in fact, its members are instructed to be good members of their own churches.

I pray you will do some real examination of the facts instead of listening to Satan, who is urging you on in your hatred of a secular fraternity.

reply to post by Cristo

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Surprise.

That article quotes Albert Pike.

yawn.

reply to post by templar knight

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You are, of course, quite correct. However I am not so sure masonry must reinvent itself. Reinventing itself in some ways would lose the very essence of what it means to be a freemason - like the ritual, and the traditions that come with it. That is not to say there are not opportunities to do some things differently, but some parts of the fraternity need to stay the same or we will no longer be freemasons but something else.

By the way, just so you know the anti-masons will make the rounds on this thread accusing you of being part of the masonic conspiracy anyways since the Scouts were founded by freemasons. You see, anyone who isn't convinced the fraternity is a satanic plot to destroy the world is either a mason or brainwashed by us

reply to post by emsed1

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emsed1,
we got a confirmation on Maban's info.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
source dated 11/21/08.

you realize how important this is.
i know you do.

best regards.

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