A few questions for any Masons willing to answer

reply to post by eventHorizon

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I have never met a "traveling man" who gave me the slightest bit of discomfort.As for the F and AM being some kind of NWO cover-thats rubbish brotherhood spirtual enlightment and knowledge. "seek and ye shall find" Ask and ye shall recieve" "knock and the door shall be open upon you"

Can anyone offer up some helpful advice for my first trip to the lodge next week ?

Its what they call a lodge tour and its my guess that its the first step on needs to take .

reply to post by alyosha1981

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alyosha1981,
my posts are not against Freemasonry. my point was rather
different; it's easy to envisage external observers suspecting any
secret society on the sole premise, well - that they are secret.

in my previous post, i actually wrote about common good acts
by free masons - please refer if needed.

however, freemasony (like everything else) is not perfect...
please refer to:
unionesarda.ilsole24ore.com...

to translate from Italian, please refer to:
babelfish.yahoo.com...

copy-paste text, and select Italian-to-English.

obviously, i could have posted translation however prefer to keep
it in the original state with the source being Italian newspaper.

also, you have a rather rare nickname for a mason, even on ATS.
if i'm not wrong, you probably could equally well served with
English-to-Russian option.

best regards to all mason replying to my posts.

reply to post by eventHorizon

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Fellow who was caught is not a member of a regular masonic body, and:



freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com...

Meaning, only one fellow there was at all involved in anything you could consider masonic, and that one fellow was part of a irregular Masonic body.
The other fellows were business men who were not related to Masonry.

Edit; Come to think of it, this has been brought up here before. can't remember what the thread was though.

A copy a paste to the copy a paste form the other thread.


[edit on 12-11-2008 by RuneSpider]

reply to post by Max_TO

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Honestly, just be yourself. When your on the tour feel free to ask away about anything you see that you have questions about. Then ask if there are any public events coming up you can attend if you think it might be something your interested in learning more about.

After you've been to a few public events, if you find its something you like, then consider asking for a petition.



[edit on 12-11-2008 by LowLevelMason]

This is an excellent point.

Maban has returned to his work and disappeared quietly. His organization has faded from memory while we Freemasons continue to defend our craft and attention is diverted from him.

Current events have been very interesting in the context of Maban's posts.

If anyone remembers... Just after his departure Iceland had a major economic collapse. There was even a talk of having only five months of food available.

But, Iceland has faded from the headlines and the situation has stabilized magically. They are currently in an economic struggle with the EU, but it seems very coincidental that things have stabilized in the context of Maban's posts.

Don't worry about it at all, just be yourself.

The guys who show you around are as concerned about making a good impression on you as you are about impressing them.

It is a true joy for masons when someone is interested and wants to find out more.

reply to post by emsed1

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emsed1,
i'm glad to know someone was reading my reply..
regarding Maban - i think - no, i'm confident that
one of the most amazing and revealing parts of
his communication on ATS was a swift mentioning
of multi-trillion dollar loan from Arabs to US, more
specifically to US Treasury in recent weeks...

facts like that, if true - can not be kept in secret
for a long time. sure, they probably can keep it
a secret several years but someone is gonna talk.
it is my point of view that Maban was knowledgeble,
sincere, and no offence to fellow masons readers
of this thread - knew more, or at least was ready
to reveal that that he knew to external observers...

it's sad that he is gone, and i hope they op is doing well.

reply to post by eventHorizon

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Yep, the loan amount was staggering and I never could find proof of it, but he said it was being 'filtered' in and wasn't one big chunk.

I never realized until I started researching after that post that the way we get into debt with foreign countries is by selling them Treasury Bonds.

My research turned up that we owe lots of countries, including Libya and others, that don't like us much.

It's all about money, money and money nothing else.....one smart man or couple of them makes society and then lets find "smart" candidate to participate and believe in "who knows what" and finally give us your money money and money....

Nope - it costs very little to nothing to join freemasonry, and the dues vary but I'd say the average are $50 a year. Add in the $75-200 it costs in fees to join, and you pay more for cable every year than you do to be a freemason. Of course all that money goes to upkeep the lodge or, for people joining, to pay for your apron and usually some sort of token gift upon being raised.

All the rest of the money people choose to give voluntarily goes straight to charity. The books are open to verify this.

At least look into what really goes on before you make this kind of stuff up.

Friendly advice, pay cable, pay to play some pc game on internet or pay for some real education.... whatever you like but don’t pay a 1 dollar for some imaginary world. I believe in UFO and I believe that they exist but I would not pay a 1 dollar to someone who would claim that if I approach to his society I will be able to meet them because I know and I am smart enough to make contrast beat vine reality and imagination.

Read full article please:
www.cgca.net...

one part of article:

Masonic Claims
To its initiates the Masonic Lodge teaches: "Masonry is useful to all men: to the learned, because it affords them the opportunity of exercising their talents upon subjects eminently worthy of their attention; to the illiterate, because it offers them important instruction; to the young, because it presents them with salutary precepts and good examples, and accustoms them to reflect on the proper mode of living; to the man of the world, whom it furnishes with noble and useful recreation; to the traveler, whom it enables to find friends and brothers in countries where else he would be isolated and solitary; to the worthy man in misfortune, to whom it gives assistance; to the afflicted, on whom it lavishes consolation; to the charitable man, whom it enables to do more good, by uniting with those who are charitable like himself; and to all who have souls capable of appreciating its importance, and of enjoying the charms of a friendship founded on the same principles of religion, morality, and philanthropy" (Morals and Dogma, p. 113).

Now let us compare this with their actual practice. The Real Test God has set before each one of us a choice - a proving ground-to see whether we will love and obey Him and be allowed to live in the Kingdom which will be set up--or whether we will refuse and go our own way, into the lake of fire (Deut. 30:19-20).

Other plans of salvation which teach a different reward and a different way of getting eternal life are without God's authority. Those foolish who waste their lives in pursuing such "wind" are unfortunate indeed.

Freemasonry is just such a counterfeit. Its members waste untold hours acting out foolish rituals which accomplish nothing, and memorizing endless dialogue which helps no one. They ponder the moral philosophies of the ancients to discover wisdom, but they acquire only a hodgepodge of deceptive and foolish pagan reasonings.

God declares there is only one WAY to live happy, useful lives. And that is the way HE has appointed for us. Any other-such as Masonry-no matter how good it may look, is at best a counterfeit and serves only to dupe people into thinking that they have what they have not.

I really don't take advice from those who demonstrably are giving advice on something they clearly do not understand. Your not paying to get knowledge, your paying to upkeep the building and a portion of it goes to charity in most cases. You pay more for internet access per year than the average freemason most likely, and your complaining about paying for some "imaginary world"? Pot, meet kettle.



I suggest you take your own advice and stop getting knowledge from imaginery sources. This is classical anti-mason propaganda, much of it a copy and paste job from freemasonry watch. I recommend you actually read a real source, like this one:
www.amazon.com...



This is what happens when you blindly believe whatever you read on the internet - they don't even bother to source this propaganda.

This is the classical rabid "Christian" (in quotes because people who believe this clearly have no interest in real Christianity) attack on the fraternity, launched from ignorance.

Freemasonry is a secular organization, of which every person joins many. Your job, unless you are a pastor, is secular. Your school, unless its a religious private school, is secular. When you go to the mall, its secular. Hysterically casting masons into hell because they are part of a secular organization is hypocritical since EVERYONE takes part in secular life - it simply is reality. When you never go outside beyond your church and your religious school, then this sort of criticism may be legitimate.

Of course, the reality is that the article is also just plain wrong in most sections. Freemasonry does not teach salvation nor offer a plan of morality based on religion, in fact, its members are instructed to be good members of their own churches.

I pray you will do some real examination of the facts instead of listening to Satan, who is urging you on in your hatred of a secular fraternity.

reply to post by Cristo

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Surprise.

That article quotes Albert Pike.

yawn.

I've got to say reading the posts, this is a cracking thread.

The guys who posted seem no different than any other club with similar goals. I run a scouting group and can wholly agree with their answers:

1>> You have to enjoy your club, get something out of it for yourself (helping kids develop is as good as it comes) and have a community relationship with buddies of the same ilk (to help each other out). The "few beers" really ring a chord.

2>> Masons is very old. Scouts is only 100 years old and has to reinvent itself to stay modern and contempory but keep the core of its meaning and what it is about. I strongly suspect that the masons has had to do the same

3>> People will come to any "club" for the wrong reasons - for their own personal agenda not the clubs. There will be bad eggs in the Masons, as any other club and maybe as a secret society - these are the people that we hear from.

4.>> I could be working for a higher inner circle to take over the world! The money that scouts have worldwide probably eclipses the masons (particularly with all their land/property); why are they diferent to any other club?

No I am not a mason nor templar knight (my village had templar knights -hence my tag name) but I've been in clubs often enough to understand the benigness of the answers.

Thanks for your answers


Most clubs/sects have to change with the times and I think the Masons will be no different (I run one of the scout groups and in a similar way I could be providing money for my inner circle as well!)

I've got to say reading the posts, this is a cracking thread.

The guys who posted seem no different than any other club with similar goals. I run a scouting group and can wholly agree with their answers:

1>> You have to enjoy your club, get something out of it for yourself (helping kids develop is as good as it comes) and have a community relationship with buddies of the same ilk (to help each other out). The "few beers" really ring a chord.

2>> Masons is very old. Scouts is only 100 years old and has to reinvent itself to stay modern and contempory but keep the core of its meaning and what it is about. I strongly suspect that the masons has had to do the same

3>> People will come to any "club" for the wrong reasons - for their own personal agenda not the clubs. There will be bad eggs in the Masons, as any other club and maybe as a secret society - these are the people that we hear from.

4.>> I could be working for a higher inner circle to take over the world! The money that scouts have worldwide probably eclipses the masons (particularly with all their land/property); why are they diferent to any other club?

No I am not a mason nor templar knight (my village had templar knights -hence my tag name) but I've been in clubs often enough to understand the benigness of the answers.

Thanks for your answers


Most clubs/sects have to change with the times and I think the Masons will be no different (I run one of the scout groups and in a similar way I could be providing money for my inner circle as well!)

reply to post by templar knight

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You are, of course, quite correct. However I am not so sure masonry must reinvent itself. Reinventing itself in some ways would lose the very essence of what it means to be a freemason - like the ritual, and the traditions that come with it. That is not to say there are not opportunities to do some things differently, but some parts of the fraternity need to stay the same or we will no longer be freemasons but something else.

By the way, just so you know the anti-masons will make the rounds on this thread accusing you of being part of the masonic conspiracy anyways since the Scouts were founded by freemasons. You see, anyone who isn't convinced the fraternity is a satanic plot to destroy the world is either a mason or brainwashed by us

reply to post by emsed1

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emsed1,
we got a confirmation on Maban's info.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
source dated 11/21/08.

you realize how important this is.
i know you do.

best regards.