Is Barrack Obama a communist?, page 6
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 10:32 PM by TruthWithin
reply to post by Clearskies



Impressive...what do they have to do about the blank check signed by our CURRENT government?

Oh - right - nothing.

All I see going on is another criticism of a guy who isn't even president yet. I will be the first to criticize Obama policies that I think are wrong - but for crying out loud give the guy a chance - he is not even President yet!


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 10:47 PM by TruthWithin
reply to post by Clearskies



You win

There is nothing I can say that won;t be responded to with another link. I am wasting my breath - you have missed my point.

My only point is: Let's call Obama a communist when there is REASON to do so. Until then, figure out ways to protect us from the CURRENT policy blunders.



reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 11:10 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by TruthWithin



Right

Even worst case scenario, if Obama was a communist, it does not prove he will do communist things while in office. Innocent until proven guilty. Let's judge his bad actions when he actually does them, and not before.

That said, the idea lacks some serious substantial evidence. Like, lots.





I would much rather a communist society then the corporate fascism we currently have


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 11:11 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Clearskies



Thanks for the video Again sure wish you had outlined some key things form it. Oh well. I will watch it later, when it fits into my multi-tasking schedule.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 06:50 PM by cognoscente
reply to post by Clearskies



Is Obama African? No.
Is Obama a Communist? No, he's not part of any such organization. However, some of his policies seem to have socialistic tendencies.

Does he appear African? Yes
Does he appear Communist? Only to the misinformed.

What's the point of describing people using definitions alone? You limit how much can be expressed by using such a definitive methodology. What we should be doing is engaging in broad discussions concerning the entire range of his proposed policy issues. We have to test our opinions, run them through a formula that we as a community have developed through this hypothetical broad discussion, thus evaluating those opinions to discern from fact and ignorance, and finally creating valid conclusions. You have to admit your conclusions aren't substantiated. They are anecdotal and biased opinions. They need to be tested opinions.

You're just taking "evidence" from places you are merely calling reputable. You've connected the dots too liberally here. You've come out with a convoluted interpretation of the reality of the drawing as a whole.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by cognoscente]


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 08:05 PM by Clearskies
reply to post by cognoscente



What did I say about him being black?

Your reasoning sounds like my son's 'new math'!
"Run this through what you think it might be, add 4, write it down, then divide it in the regular way and voila'!"

Most of my articles I referred to were NOT biased.
'Dreams from my father' is not anti-obama.
What did I write about that is untrue???




reply posted on 2-2-2010 @ 02:49 PM by Someone336
reply to post by Clearskies



His Father didn't just READ A BOOK<(he wrote a whole article for the East African Journal on how socialism (if you read it, it's more communistic than socialist)
should work! His mother didn't teach a class on Marxism, as far as I know, but she attended classes and was close friends(Allegedly sexual) with Frank Marshall Davis, who lauded the Red army of Stalin during WW11, wanting them to kill allies!


I'm a libertarian socialist. My father is a right-wing libertarian. My mother is apolitical. Many of my friends are as right wing as can be, pro-war, pro-capitalism. What do you make of that?

Obama then got involved with community organizing


What is wrong with community organizing? I didn't realize helping impoverished people was synonymous with murder.

with Ayers


From Factcheck:

McCain says in an Internet ad that the two "ran a radical 'education' foundation" in Chicago. But the supposedly "radical" group was supported by a Republican governor and included on its board prominent local civic leaders, including one former Nixon administration official who has given $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. Education Week says the group's work "reflected mainstream thinking" among school reformers. The group was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, which was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.



under the Marxist Alinsky's program.


From Alinsky's own mouth:

I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right.' If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide."


Just some things to consider.


[edit on 2-2-2010 by Someone336]


reply posted on 3-2-2010 @ 09:04 AM by crusaderiam
reply to post by Clearskies



I would say a socialist dictator is probably more accurate. Oh and also probably one of the biggest liars I have ever seen in office.


[edit on 3-2-2010 by crusaderiam]
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