Which would_be vice president saw Russia from her window?

Originally posted by gordonwest
Which would_be vice president saw Russia from her window?

Was there anything to that?
What was all the fuss?

Originally posted by Clearskies

Originally posted by gordonwest
Which would_be vice president saw Russia from her window?

Was there anything to that?
What was all the fuss?

Sorry, I saw the title of the thead AND read a few posts. And I responded about what Sarah Palin said, that she seen Russia from here home state.

I would have to agree with that. I having been praying that he backs off a little and we don't end up living in a country that "spreads the wealth" i.e. communism......... You would think that because he has worked hard and came from nothing to be President that he would believe in hard work and making your own way. He is not like that though, for some reason he thinks people should get free rides. Our taxes should pay for ILLEGAL immagrants to have healthcare, people that have broken the law to get free healthcare. What the hell is that? He wants to abbolish the coal industry..... So that all the people paying for their heating bills have to pay more and the people sitting home on welfare get more of our hard earned money. What the hell is that? He wants to start a "civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military." You know who did that?????? HITLER! Communist, I think so. I just hope that it is not that extreme.

I like as little government as possible, abolishment of the 'income' tax on paychecks, a return to basic services only, strongly against US military (global police) involvement in the UN, I supported the war against Iraq when everyone else did and now a constructive exit, and (with 90% of messages to congress) am against the bailouts.

The Republicans have strayed far from their original goals of small government and low taxes which are similar to Libertarian goals. Democratic goals have always been to tax and spend, thinking government control of how money is spent and large bureaucracies are good.

I think it's natural for the country to elect a socialist at this point in history. The stages of the Weimar Republic are similar to what we're experiencing, and extremists will attempt to rally the people and take control. Obama associated with those with far left opinions which has to have some influence on his opinions and decisions he will make. I don't believe Obama is malicious, but he will make decisions for the good of the people, decisions influenced by earlier associations and conversations. I think Obama will crush the economy by making it easier to nationalize industries, and raise taxes on businessmen, those who create jobs. If Obama does lean heavily left, then the national reaction will correct itself heavily to the right. We don't want the welfare state to return, we can't create a foundation built on the weakest links in society.

Communist countries who never reached the ideal of a classless society, where all have equal wealth, claim that they are socialist countries. Socialist countries distribute wealth through social intervention and state ownership of industries, both to varying degrees. There's no doubt we're headed towards socialism.

To answer the original question, No, Obama is not a communist.

To go to more depth, the "pure" forms of communism, socialism and capitalism have all been shown to not work effectively.

The pure forms of communism and socialism have not worked out well historically, and we are right now at the early stages of watching the collapse of a (more or less) capitalist economy.

So historically and implementationally, none of the "pure" forms work.

My own personal belief is that the failures of these various economic/political systems are due more to the quality of the people implementing them, rather than the theory of the systems themselves.

Does anyone really think that the big communist economies are really egalitarian? N. Korea, China and the former Soviet Union are/were egalitarian cultures? If so, please U2U me, as I have a bridge and some beach-front property to sell you.

Some forms of economic/political structure are more resistant to corruption and manipulation than others. I personally prefer a representative republic form of government and a free-market economy, but we have seen that this form of government is also vulnerable to corruption, and as noted above, we are even now witnessing the failure of a (again, more or less) "free market" i.e. capitalistic economy.

So it all comes down to the implementors of an economic or political system. And sadly, it seems that the individuals most interested in that kind of power are those that are in general least suitable to wield it.

Any form of government/economy can work. There have been benevolent dictatorships, with fully controlled economies that worked well for the population as a whole, and "representative republic", "free market" systems that are a disaster.

So, no. Obama is not a communist. He may prove to be a person deserving of the power he will have as US President, and he may not.

But it is clear that pure capitalism, like pure communism or pure socialism, is not a guarantee of a well-run country or economy.

No communist country ever claimed to be communist, they only claim to be socialist since none have ever reached the ultimate communist goal of total equality.

I don't believe any communist person can claim to be communist. Only that they discuss and promote socialist ideals and revolutionist change.

well of course he is...that's why 52% of the voters elected him president. i was hoping you didn't find out...now you'll have to be put into the re-education camp. please leave your name and number, so this whole thing will go down much easier for you.