The one thing about America is that even with all its faults and all its problems...when the excretion hits the rotating oscillator, America becomes the "awakened sleeping giant" and then watch out cuz once America gets going on something it is determined to correct, America never stops until the job is done...and then some.

Cheers!!!!

What difference will it make to the US anyway whether or not Obama is American?

To the American's who bleat on about how Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate and that if he hasn't got one then he shouldn't be president?
Don't you realise that the President is just a figurehead for the people that are really in power , the ones behind the scenes pushing his buttons and telling him what to say , and that they themselves ARE NOT American but a multinational conglomerate of Elitists who value Money over welfare of the citizenry.

Their not American either but you don't hear the US people complaining about them, do you?

That way if the people in power make a wrong choice then the President is the one who'll get roasted by the public or in the worst case scenario end up headbutting a bullet?

[edit on 10/11/08 by DataWraith]

Didn't Bush pass something to the effect that a non native could run for presidency? At the time I was thinking they would try to put Arnold in the seat... so what is all this about then anyways?

Originally posted by DataWraith
What difference will it make to the US anyway whether or not Obama is American?

To the American's who bleat on about how Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate and that if he hasn't got one then he shouldn't be president?
Don't you realise that the President is just a figurehead for the people that are really in power , the ones behind the scenes pushing his buttons and telling him what to say , and that they themselves ARE NOT American but a multinational conglomerate of Elitists who value Money over welfare of the citizenry.

Their not American either but you don't hear the US people complaining about them, do you?

That way if the people in power make a wrong choice then the President is the one who'll get roasted by the public or in the worst case scenario end up headbutting a bullet?

[edit on 10/11/08 by DataWraith]

WTF. Are you really saying that even HITLER could be the President of the USA, as it wouldn't matter which country the President was born in???

[edit on 10-11-2008 by gordonwest]

Originally posted by bigvig316
If you open the vote to any immigrant or foreigner to running for the highest office in the land you open it up for situations where Osama Bin Ladin or a cohort can get citizenship, then ship enough of their follower in the right states to vote, then you have them as president. I know it is out there, but it is possible to mess up an election. This rule was enacted so a brit couldn't get to power. It is there, as are other parts of the Constitution, to protect your rights and the country as a whole. That is why it is the one of the greatest documents ever conceived.

God Bless America and let an full blooded American run this great country. I hope the truth comes out in the wash.

In my opinion 'soil' should be the amendable part of the constitutionally stated requirement of a U.S. President. I don't believe it's necessarily the 'soil' part that's in question, when debating a candidate's true intention and character.

I believe the original intention, of said Presidential requirement, hinged more on the candidate's 'will to sacrifice' and what may be his true intention, as well as his complete loyalty. Is this person willing to give his life and soul for his country? What if he is put in the unfortunate position of having to choose?

Therefore, I believe the constitution should be amended. Rather than requiring one of the Presidential elect's parents to be American, I believe both parents should be U.S. citizens - whether born, immigrated, elected, etc - no matter the soil he/she was born upon.

This way, we can better assure the candidate hasn't been conditioned, or prepped by an outside source of militia or government agency. At least it would decrease the chances.

The 'soil' has nothing to do with it. Our greatest influence comes from our parents, or legal custodians.

Think about this scenerio:

Let's just say that our Constitution was written in such general terms, that anyone born to at least one American would be allowed to sit in the position of the President of the United States (a.k.a. 'Most Powerful Position in the World").

Given this knowledge, and having immediate access to laws and bi-laws of the United States (a.k.a. "most powerful nation in the world"), what would keep you from sending a 'Secret Agent' into the country to impregnate an unsuspecting, gullible and single American woman?

Once the child(ren) are born, you can have the bastard child(ren) deported and educated in a foreign country that is not monitored, nor bound, by the United States educational or court system.

So, in other words, the children can be educated and filled with anything you wish, as long as they are back in the U.S. before their 18th birthday to declare U.S. citizenship and/or sign for selective service; essentially, produce a 'Manchurian-like' agent to embed himself into the White House?

Scary, huh?...oh wait a minute.......(to be continued)

Originally posted by beforetime . . .
I will admit obama has been dodgy on this matter.
especially after his own Kenyan grandma did say he was born in Kenya.
So his grandma is lying on him...WHY granny why would you lie on me..

Nobody has ever produced evidence that Barack Obama's grandmother said this, despite the frequency with which this statement is reported.

People keep referring to a video to prove it, a video in which a young unknown girl says Obama is from Kenya. Or is that ~7 year old Obama's grandmother?

truth is either way it needs to be addressed to let the puppy go to bed.
And Mr.berg..A good lawyer is seeing that it is.

If Berg was a good lawyer he'd be practicing law instead on running this internet con job to collect donations.
You are promoting a charlatan.

I know i don't want a non American born as president..therefor whats wrong with him havering to show us?

Are you blind?
It's been up on a website for months.


It's my belief that people still carrying on about this simply can't cope with having a brown-skinned President.

Originally posted by difsjf
I personally don't think it matters if he was born here or not.
It doesn't change his ability to lead.
And it's not like if he was born in Kenya that that means he was there for a long time, no, he grew up in America so he is an American at heart.
I don't understand why anyone would be so worried "Oh, is he legal??"
It has nothing to do with if he's legal.
It has to do with if he can LEAD, and I believe he can.

Oh, so lets not pay attention to the Constitution if it is inconvenient.

The law is the law. The simple fact this case has made it to the Supreme Court tells me something is fishy. Cases just don't automatically get assigned to the SCOTUS. They wouldn't waste their time if they didn't doubt what has already been produced. This demand by the SCOTUS speaks volumes regarding his citizenship. This won't even be broadcast by the MSM - we'll continue to hear about Palin's "infighting" and gay rights. Distractions for the masses.

I need to research how he could have been voted in as Senator if he had indeed been illegal. Maybe the background checks were more lax? I dunno.

BTW, I said IF no IS...

Originally posted by ACEMANN


Oh, so lets not pay attention to the Constitution if it is inconvenient.

The law is the law. The simple fact this case has made it to the Supreme Court tells me something is fishy. Cases just don't automatically get assigned to the SCOTUS. They wouldn't waste their time if they didn't doubt what has already been produced. This demand by the SCOTUS speaks volumes regarding his citizenship. This won't even be broadcast by the MSM - we'll continue to hear about Palin's "infighting" and gay rights. Distractions for the masses.

I need to research how he could have been voted in as Senator if he had indeed been illegal. Maybe the background checks were more lax? I dunno.

BTW, I said IF no IS...

Oh for the love of...

The case wasn't "assigned" to the Supreme Court, and they haven't "demanded" anything either.

Berg has filed a Writ of Certiorari, which suggests the Supreme Court look over the case Berg vs. Obama; the Supreme Court is now waiting for Obama (the defendant) to reply which is due December 1st. Once Obama replies, then Berg replies and the Supreme Court decides where to go with this.

I don't know where you all are getting the idea that the Supreme Court is demanding, or even telling Obama to produce his birth certificate because nothing like that has happened.

[edit on 10-11-2008 by davion]

Originally posted by difsjf
I personally don't think it matters if he was born here or not.
It doesn't change his ability to lead.
And it's not like if he was born in Kenya that that means he was there for a long time, no, he grew up in America so he is an American at heart.
I don't understand why anyone would be so worried "Oh, is he legal??"
It has nothing to do with if he's legal.
It has to do with if he can LEAD, and I believe he can.

I LOVE when Obama supporters attack The Bush administration for everything wrong with the world, they always scream how W is raping the constitution. etc etc etc......

When there is the possibility that there man may have done something illegal its no big deal. He's above the law in thier eyes and that really scares me. These people are going to be devestated when he doesn't live up to the huge expectations, they live in a fantasy world.

Originally posted by DraconianKing
You republicans really are like deranged psychopathic stalkers, get rejected and it just makes you even more insane. Obama isn't going anywhere, you better just get used to it. His birth certificate has been verified, it's over, stop living in denial and face reality.

EXCUSE ME ! You Left leaning liberals and Democrat Socialists need to get a grip. Obama's birth certificate HAS NOT been verified as the VAULT COPY.

If Obama does not produce the VAULT copy of the certificate, his application to run for President of the US will be declared invalid and McCain will be the declared winner of the election.

Obama should not have been allowed to run, just as Arnold "Terminator" knows he would be denied the opportunity to run for President, because he was not born here.

If Obama cannot produce the copy ordered by the US Supreme Court, yes, there will be rioting and YES, there will be a declaration of MARTIAL LAW to contain it.

Either way, the TRUTH needs to come out.

That is all !

Originally posted by drock905
1. Think of how many times you have to show your Birth Certificate. School, Drivers License, Passport, etc. This really should be no big deal for Obama to produce.

Hmm

Obama has none of these already?

People really should think more......

It is unbelievable to me that there is intelligent people on this board that are so enamored with President Obama that when a legitimate point gets brought up they begin to attack the author.

They also begin to cry foul and that the system is wrong lets change it so that it will not matter if President Obama is not elligible.

Lets change the law so we can keep him.

I admit I am not a supporter, but if this issue was made of someone I did support my view would be the same.

The law is the law and no one should be above the law, no matter how much he is wanted and loved. No matter how many threats of rioting are made. No matter who will end up President by default.

The law is the law and until it gets changed we all must abide by it.

If he did not have a legal birth certificate (Which I honestly don't think he does otherwise this would not have been blown out of proportion..

I think he has enough friends in high places now to produce a copy making him legal.

Hell, he could get one saying he lived on the moon for all he cares.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
If he did not have a legal birth certificate (Which I honestly don't think he does otherwise this would not have been blown out of proportion..

I think he has enough friends in high places now to produce a copy making him legal.

Hell, he could get one saying he lived on the moon for all he cares.

Maybe so but it will need to look authentically from 1961 or whenever he was born. It will be scrutinized closely. Look how easy they debunked the other one that was passed around.

[edit on 10-11-2008 by MaxiMillion]

The longer this nonsense drags on, the more inevitable it will be that there starts to be claims that Obama can't produce a birth certificate for America or anywhere for that matter as he wasn't actually born. That he was specifically created in a laboratory to be the first leader of the NWO.

That the [Insert alien race of choice] have been working with [insert global conspiracy masters of choice] on cloning technologies in order to create a [socialist/communist/devil-worshipping/Muslim - delete as applicable] monster for the sole purpose of destroying America.

Even if he weren't born in the United States his mother was and so a citizen... ergo so is he.

Besides don't you think this stuff hasn't already been throughly vetted?

Originally posted by Moon Knight

Originally posted by drock905
1. Think of how many times you have to show your Birth Certificate. School, Drivers License, Passport, etc. This really should be no big deal for Obama to produce.

Hmm

Obama has none of these already?

People really should think more......

The question isn't if he has a Birth Certificate, Its what the certificate says on it.

You should take your own advice