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posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 01:26 AM
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By briefing the President Elect Obama, they are following years of procedure. If it is exposed that he isn't "American" to the standards stated in the Constitution, Obama will probably have to "dissapear" like John F. Kennedy did.




posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 01:27 AM
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I agree with the Hagalien dialectic possibility already suggested. The planned downfall including martial law can't be ignored. But I sure wish you bloggers would learn to spell. And don't put an apostrophe in every word ending in an "s".



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 01:47 AM
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posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by CreeWolf
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I understand that you understand what a "Constitution" is. So, you must know that too many changes to it, it is no longer a "Constitution".


I suppose that's what it would mean. The betterment of Society takes precedence above all things. So if changes need to be made then changes need to be made. Please don't call me a liberal, I assure you I am far worse



You are talking about not caring if he is "Kenyan" by birth.


Correct.


You also said you don't care if its exposed that he lied to the American people.


Correct.

I don't believe in this rule. And we force the Candidates to abide by it. So I find it a forgivable lie. Candidates also have to be Christian to have a chance at winning...another forgivable lie if he is in fact lying about it. It wouldn't bother me if we later found out a President had lied about being 35 and was actually 33... I don't believe in these rules so I find these kinds of lies forgivable...as I would understand the reasoning behind the lie to begin with.


I think you might be in the minority.


I have no doubt! I usually am



Scoring high on a "Constitution Test" in school means very little, especially if it came from an Ultra-Lib Californian School District.


Why did you use ""
That's what they called it, not me. That was the official name.

So... are you suggesting they altered the Constitution to be ultra-liberal? And then tested all of us on this liberal-modified Constitution?

Anyways, I brought that up because you asked if we even knew what the Constitution was. No other reason.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 01:58 AM
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posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 01:59 AM
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images.dailykos.com...
Wow, those watermarks, specifically designed so that they aren't photocoied or scanned in pristine shape, sure look great on this scan!
Don't most birth certificates include the doctor's name?

I'm not trying to add to the conspiracy, but fraudulent documents like these are most definitely an impeachable offense. People might be upset, but you have to respect the laws of this land, or seek change to those laws.

Personally I think between McCain or Obama we are still in a whole lotta trouble. The Bilderberg Group has their hands in both pots.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by beforetime

are you saying you AS AN AMERICAN don't care even if he is a born Kenyan..you still want him as president?

please don't tell me that


I don't care if an American citizen is Kenyan born, therefore I don't care if an American President is Kenyan born.

I think this requirement should be removed. If The People have issues with a POTUS candidate being born in another country then it will reflect in the votes anyways...


If you open the vote to any immigrant or foreigner to running for the highest office in the land you open it up for situations where Osama Bin Ladin or a cohort can get citizenship, then ship enough of their follower in the right states to vote, then you have them as president. I know it is out there, but it is possible to mess up an election. This rule was enacted so a brit couldn't get to power. It is there, as are other parts of the Constitution, to protect your rights and the country as a whole. That is why it is the one of the greatest documents ever conceived.

God Bless America and let an full blooded American run this great country. I hope the truth comes out in the wash.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by DraconianKing
You republicans really are like deranged psychopathic stalkers, get rejected and it just makes you even more insane. Obama isn't going anywhere, you better just get used to it. His birth certificate has been verified, it's over, stop living in denial and face reality.



Yeah Yeah yeah we have heard this a thousand times and yes we know he has a birth certificate and yes we know it has been recorded as in existence in a Hospital in Honolulu but what NO ONE seems to be able to do is show us anywhere on any document but preferably the one the SCOTUS and Berg are about to argue NOT that he doesn't have one but where it says he was born and that is the question that has never been answered showing the vault BC. stopthesmears.com has already admitted the one on Obama's website was a photo shopped fraud but mentioned obama had nothing to do with that ( as usual ) .

The DOH in Honolulu said it exists too but when asked where on the BC does it say he was born exactly, again the question went ignored again with her saying that only Obama and people of his choosing are allowed to see the vault BC.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:04 AM
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Like I said before, if it is an issue with the People to begin with then it will reflect in the vote.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:12 AM
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I understand where you are coming from there. People voting to change a Constitution. It was done in Iowa this election cycle (Iowa's STATE Constitution):

Idiot Clause in Iowa's Constitution--Des Moines Register

Of course, the US Constitution (Amendment X?) gives some power to the individual States?



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by knows_but_doesnt

See, he was appointed by the powers that be to this position. The election was perfection. Everything was going perfect, everyone in the war room was high fiving each other for months, patting each other on the back. Then, one day, someone brought up the place of birth topic, and the war room went into a tail spin. See, they are stalling because now everything has to be created, gone over a hundred times, people have to either be bought or killed, etc. So, he WILL produce a valid certificate, just give them a little more time to make sure all their bases are fully covered.


Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaaha!!!!! That was truly priceless. I think I hurt myself on that one.

Ok. Lets just consider that possibility seriously for a moment.

The rumors have been circulating, that I can find with any certainty, about Obama's not being a citizen since AT LEAST June of 2008, and very likely prior to that. However, since I have a reliable source saying June 2008, lets go with that.

urbanlegends.about.com...


Summary: Email rumor claims that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president because according to the laws in effect at the time of his birth he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States.

Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: June 2008
Status: False


Are you really trying to tell us that in 6 months time, someone with the backing of some of the richest people in the country who has all these powerful friends who want him in office could not have had the time to get a birth certificate made and paid off the appropriate people by now? And mind you, if he really were not a US citizen, he would have known this at the outset and you dont think he would have taken care of all this waaaaay before now?

C'mon. Say what you like about him. Call him a socialist, accuse him of not being a citizen, call for his impeachment before he even takes office, whatever you need to do to feel real. But do you honestly think the guy is dumb?

Find a more interesting reason to hate him. Since you brought up that this is a conspiracy site, why cant you guys post pictures of him with slitted pupils morphing into a reptile and sucking the blood out of innocent children or something?

I dont really mind that people hate on him, but c'mon guys, get creative and stop beating the dead horses. You can do so much better.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy


I suppose that's what it would mean. The betterment of Society takes precedence above all things. So if changes need to be made then changes need to be made.



Luckily, none are needed and if any are then I would say YOU need to change, not the constitution



Please don't call me a liberal, I assure you I am far worse



Then I won't because I can assure you it was far worse





You are talking about not caring if he is "Kenyan" by birth.


Correct.


You also said you don't care if its exposed that he lied to the American people.


Correct.


You don't believe in this rule? it isn't just a rule lunatic it is the law and just because you don't believe in it is why we have pay people to enforce the laws of the land. Nobody forces anyone to lie even if that makes for a good excuse for an illegal alien to run for office, it doesn't excuse them for doing it much less someone who should no better like Obama but lies from Obama are many so it wouldn't surprise me if he lied about this too.

I suppose you don't have a problem with Bush's lies either then since being a liar is something you seem to be ok with, especially when someone is forced to because they don't believe in something as irrelevant as the Constitution



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander


Are you really trying to tell us that in 6 months time, someone with the backing of some of the richest people in the country who has all these powerful friends who want him in office could not have had the time to get a birth certificate made and paid off the appropriate people by now? And mind you, if he really were not a US citizen, he would have known this at the outset and you dont think he would have taken care of all this waaaaay before now?

do you honestly think the guy is dumb?


Yeah, this sounds a lot like the stuff Obama was saying and again I will say you would understand then why it shouldn't be a problem for you to show us, and Obama said NOTHING

ever since



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
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Like I said before, if it is an issue with the People to begin with then it will reflect in the vote.


Now you know why they put it in the Constitution because the founders were aware their are people just like you out there so for them they thought they had better SPELL IT OUT for them



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:47 AM
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I'm glad you enoyed your little chuckle, I try hard, but only one show a night.

for the record, I don't hate him. Actually, I don't hate anyone, even people that have stolen from me. On Obama, I simply am keeping open eyes and open mind. Do I trust the guy? Right now, absolutely not. He's got everything going for him in the wrong direction for me, and that can be summed up in one word - "Politician"

And really, how many times have you planned something out, and then realized either at the last second, or too late, that you forgot something? We all do it, we all are human, and ANYTHING can happen. Obama's team is no different, they too are human (right? or was that reptile comment you made a clue? lol!)

So, let him show his birth certificate and this will all be a laughing matter. Until then....



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 02:55 AM
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If Obama's birth certificate will not be made public, then couldn't the citizens of America try and findout from Kenya? If Obama does get impeached... would that mean John McCain would get a free ride for President? If Obama is a true citizen of America, then why is Kenya jumping up and down with joy, because Obama got elected as President..AND.. Why is Obama talking soo much about how he loves Kenya.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 03:03 AM
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ALL democracy's of the world require their elected leaders to be natural born citizens.The United States is not unique in this requirement.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 03:06 AM
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Jesus the desperation. From over here in the UK it is all very amusing at how this election has upset so many people.

There's a mixed race democrat as a president FULL STOP



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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Originally posted by malcr
Jesus the desperation. From over here in the UK it is all very amusing at how this election has upset so many people.

There's a mixed race democrat as a president FULL STOP


America is 100% more important for the world then the UK. If America wasn't the world police then the world would_be more screwed, because of countries like China and Russia.

China and Russia is buildingup their defence force, because of America. I really hope America does get its act together, so there is a balance system in the world.

***-Thank You- America, for being Australia's friend.***

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.



posted on Nov, 10 2008 @ 04:07 AM
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Mcain was born in Panama, that makes him a US citizen but not a natural born citizen which is required to run for POTUS. I don't think there is anyone left that has to follow the rules except us, I'm sure Obama was born outside the US also but we will never know for sure.






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