SCOTUS petitioned for writ certiorari in Obama citizenship case, Obama to respond by Dec 1, page 3

reply to post by whoswatchinwho

---

Can't answer your first two questions since I don't know, I'm not sure anyone else knows the answers either.

But for the third question, as long as you are a citizen of the US you can hold any public office except the presidency. To be president you have to be a natural born citizen. This is why Schwarzenegger can hold his seat as governor of California. He is a citizen, but he isn't a natural-born citizen so he can't be president.

Trailwatch on Forbes had an article about this a week ago...you can read it here if you're interested. The last paragraph ends with:

...the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has already weighed in on Berg v. Obama. It dismissed Berg’s case on October 24, despite his pleas that Obama's nominee status will result in "irreparable harm to the Plaintiff and other 'Democratic Americans.'" In its 34 page decision, the court called Berg's case "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

I guess this plea at the Supreme Court is Berg trying to go up the ladder with his appeal?

(edit: spellin')

[edit on 10-11-2008 by Vault-D]

reply to post by Vault-D

---

If I were the Supreme Court Justices I would hear his case.

Not because it isnt frivolous, it is, but to shut everyone the heck up about the issue once and for all.

And then, when he lost, I would slap him with tons of court costs and legal fees for bringing a frivolous lawsuit.

reply to post by Simulacra

---

Thanks for researching this and posting the info you did in a post to this thread. This should put to rest most of the unfounded rumors that had been going around on ATS about Barack Obama not being a natural born citizen. I appreciate what you did.

reply to post by dreams n chains

---

Originally posted by dreams n chains
I think even if he was not born in the United States... it would be covered up and he would remain president elect.
If he were removed from presidency at this point in time there would be such massive riots. Our country would be killed from within by it's own.
Terrorists would be thrilled.

Maybe that is what this country needs. A little Revolution! After all, this would be the PERFECT EXCUSE for the Government to step in and take some more rights away.

Maybe there is truth to the phony birth certificate, maybe not. But to use the fact that there might be some unrest as an excuse to just drop the subject is pretty ignorant. I am tired of things being sanitized for my protection.


[edit on 10-11-2008 by CreeWolf]

reply to post by Simulacra

---

Your "Proof":
1) Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State - www.kitv.com...

2) Obama's Birth Certificate - www.dailykos.com...

3) Born in the U.S.A. - The truth about Obama's birth certificate. - www.newsweek.com...

***
1) First, at issue is that Hawaii has a unique law in which a child born outside the US can still get a "certification" of birth from the state of Hawaii, if his parents are residents of Hawaii--which Obama's parents were. "Certification" of birth and "birth certificate" have unfortunately been used interchangeably here, clouding the issue.

So even if Obama presents a Hawaiian "birth certificate", technically one needs to see the actual "long" or "vault" certificate in order to prove where he was actually born. (The "long" form is exactly what it sounds like: a longer, more detailed document that is actually a form, rather than the online certificate found on dailykos.) In response to Andy Martin's inquiry, the state of Hawaii verified that they had a "birth certificate" on record for Obama...but they did not say that it showed that he was actually born in Hawaii, rather than in Kenya. And given the controversy at hand, this is the crucial information to have.
www.oilforimmigration.org...

2) The "birth certificate" on kos has been analyzed by at least three professional forensic analysts who indicated that it is a forgery.

Here's a link to one of the forensic analyses; I believe there are links to others here, as well:
web.israelinsider.com...

Further legal repercussions if in fact the "birth certificate" online is indeed a forgery:
www.newswithviews.com...

3) Since when did an article in Newsweek constitute compelling evidence admissible in a court of law?

***
Don't you think that if any of your three "reliable sources" were in fact reliable, that the SCOTUS would have denied the writ of certiorari out of hand, and dismissed the case?

By the way, SCOTUS stands for "Supreme Court of the United States"--yes, THE Supreme Court. I think you could reliably say that they have some experience in being able to distinguish fact from fiction. Or rather, let's just say that it wouldn't be wise to try to present the highest court in the land with a faked birth certificate and try to pass it off as a legitimate one. The Internet is one thing, SCOTUS is quite another.

reply to post by zooplancton

---

I don't know where he was born for certain. Honestly I don't care either way. I would even excuse the lying if we find out he was Kenyan born! Just as I would excuse later finding out Obama is really not a Christian

It looks like he has presented his birth certificate for Hawaii already though. Did someone prove those were doctored?

reply to post by zooplancton

---

We've had enough deviation from our Constitution. However, having an "American" as President of The United States of AMERICA makes perfect sense! I almost think people have forgotten exactly what a Constitution is. This item of our Constitution is designed to lessen the likelyhood of subversion by a foreign power. I'm all for that!

Please review this video.It is about ten mins long.
It is an interview with the guy who is bringing this to the Supreme Court.
Very interesting.



[edit on 10-11-2008 by cbass]

[edit on 10-11-2008 by cbass]

reply to post by CreeWolf

---

Sure.

But I seriously doubt he finished is Kenyan Muslim Terrorist Manchurian Candidate training in the few years he spent in Kenya after he was born there if he was born there

I know what the Constitution is. Back in me school days I scored the highest on the Constitution Test of the entire school that year. And ATS has made me keep my knives sharp Well... I am okay with changes being made to it, IF the changes have The Peoples best interests at heart. Yeah I am radical like that

What I don't approve of is the last 8 years. When the Constitution is abused and the People exploited.

Originally posted by Simulacra

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
As of yet, Obama has still failed to release the Vaulted Copy of his Birth Certificate, which is the action upon which many questions are raised.

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.
www.kitv.com...

What else is there to prove? How are you going to spin this to your bias intention?

You would think that the GOPs attempt to attach an 'otherness' or quasi-mccarthyism to Obama would stop with its horribly failed attempt this election season.

Ah well, luckily America is filled with people, just like yourself, that encourage ignorance and spread falsehood and doubt.

Can I ask you a question? What are you doing on a conspiracy site if you believe those links you are posting. Obama has clearly not shown his birth certificate, and THAT is why there is a court case over it.

2nd question...

Is there a court case over his birht certificate?

Yes, there is. SO..... Apparently whatever you are reading, linking, watching is NOT what we are talking about here. There IS a court case (knock knock, anyone there?) and he is being forced to prove he was born on US soil.

His grandmother, brother and sister have said he was born in Kenya. His mother moved and married, apparently losing her US citizenship, so even if he was born in Kenya, he is still not eligible for the seat.

Like people are saying, if it was no big deal, just show it. But... Here's what really happened.

See, he was appointed by the powers that be to this position. The election was perfection. Everything was going perfect, everyone in the war room was high fiving each other for months, patting each other on the back. Then, one day, someone brought up the place of birth topic, and the war room went into a tail spin. See, they are stalling because now everything has to be created, gone over a hundred times, people have to either be bought or killed, etc. So, he WILL produce a valid certificate, just give them a little more time to make sure all their bases are fully covered.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

---

I understand that you understand what a "Constitution" is. So, you must know that too many changes to it, it is no longer a "Constitution".

You are talking about not caring if he is "Kenyan" by birth. You also said you don't care if its exposed that he lied to the American people. I think you might be in the minority.

Scoring high on a "Constitution Test" in school means very little, especially if it came from an Ultra-Lib Californian School District.

[edit on 10-11-2008 by CreeWolf]

Breaking News: Judge Doesn\'t Rule, Secretary of State Doesn\'t Agree - Obama NOT off
  Posted 15 days ago with 39 member flags

On why America is in denial and Ron Paul will not be elected
  Posted 17 days ago with 21 member flags

Study says racists and conservatives are dumb
  Posted 7 days ago with 16 member flags

As of feb 9th, Canada\'s own version of SOPA: Bill C-11 will kill more of your freedom
  Posted 13 days ago with 11 member flags

Is ‘anti-Canadianism’ the new ‘anti-Americanism?’
  Posted 16 days ago with 8 member flags

Councilman wants sheriff to stop urging people to get pistol permits
  Posted 14 days ago with 7 member flags

Clarification on the definition of "natural born citizen"
  Posted 14 days ago with 7 member flags

ATS is not as awake as it should be. You might still be sleeping...
  Posted 6 days ago with 7 member flags

Newest topics, updated in real-time:

Newest topics getting flags, in real-time:

Newest topics getting replies, in real-time: