reply to post by noobfun
Just want to say before starting that when I say Christians or Christianity, I don't just automatically mean each and every person. That would be
entirely unfair of me to sweepingly generalize in such a way. There are exceptions.
well the bible teaches only the followers of jesus get to happy land when they die,
I don't believe the bible teaches that. Yet, it is obvious that many/most of the followers of the believe that it does.
Additionally, about getting to the happy land... it is also too bad that it isn't understood that that is supposed to happen while alive.
ok this i want clarification of
The conception that only the followers of Jesus will go to heaven portrays God as running some sort of Country Club and that the Christian religion
has exclusive ownership of God.
This cannot be despite the biblical verses that might be clung to that, in their minds, justify their tribal thinking.
The usual culprits are: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
And another is: Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we
must be saved."
These do not mean what most might think they do. Either due to not recalling other verses in the bible and being able to see how the different verses
can work together harmoniously, or by not even knowing what the bible says and relying on someone else to tell them what it means.
If Christians really believed all that they consider to be true about God, with the number one being that God is Love, how can they come up with
interpretations that portray God as prejudicial, exclusive and etc. Do they not ever ask themselves: How does this scripture provide me with a better
understanding of the goodness of God; goodness and love not just for me, but for all of mankind?
Instead an incomplete picture is run with that they end up acting out: being hateful, superior and exclusive.
What a draw to their religion... surely the world wants and needs more hate and superiority and tribalism. riiiight
The bible is a test and many use it to their detriment. It is also too bad that the religion of Christianity doesn't know anything about the religion
they were spawned out of... Judaism. The Jews teach that the 'written" bible is a curse without the oral teachings. And, so we see, it is.
Also, from Genesis to Revelation there is all this controversy within the religion as to what is meant, with the result that any thinking person can
see the confusion generated and are left with their own conclusions. Yet, the bible calls for unity ... to be of one mind (not of one personality, how
boring), but to be in agreement. It also says that God is not the author of confusion. It seems to me just by observing the massive number of
denominations within Christianity that there is a lot of confusion.
Bottom line for me is: If a scripture cannot be interpreted to show the goodness and love that is God, then the correct interpretation is still yet to
(Before I get told by someone that I've neglected God's judgment, let me just say that God's judgments are fair and just. And, what's more, they
are tempered with mercy.)
On to my second comment:
Additionally, about getting to the happy land... it is also too bad that it isn't understood that that is supposed to happen while
You are aware of the verse that says:
Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
And also this verse, especially what follows the comma: But Jesus said to him, "Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead." Matthew
There are, to me, two kinds of life and two kinds of death. Kahil Gilbran in one of his works wrote: "Each man is two men. One asleep in the light
and the other awake in the darkness."
To me, what Kahil wrote is concise and explains what it would take me a hundred words or more for me to try to convey.
Do you see the correlation and how they apply to those two scriptures?
Then, there are many other scriptures too written about a living person going to heaven... the second heaven, the third... who remained alive on this
earth. Yes, there are many heavens.
Heaven is supposed to be also on earth. Ultimately, what is heaven? Nothing but all living harmoniously and not trying to force our personal will onto