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posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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Hey



hahaha a friendly atheist is really that rare?

No, not rare at all. Though, it is quite a rare treat to run into such a jester as yourself who is also knowledgeable about his subject matter.


guess im living proof morales arnt exclusive to religeon

Yep. Sometimes, well all too often, I see religion cause a loss of morals. But, then again, maybe those individuals are like that to begin with and just latch onto something to be superior?


you just stepped into the cross fire of Moooo he is a great guy and very passionate about things whch is a good quality

Yes, I am sure he is. I think we got straightened out.

Wanted to reply to you last night, but when I went to do so, my reply was only one or two words even though I had many more thoughts to go along with them. So instead of posting nah, yep and no doubt last night, I waited till today. Don't know if that makes you feel any better, but it sure does me!




posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by seek4 truth
I never said it was 2012 and I never said anything about believe in Jesus. That was my point, it secretly and I say that because people tend to not notice, states the end in the age of Aquarius, just like the Mayan. Its there man and you can not change it, that is why the bible is probaly talking more about the venus morning star(jesus)morning star, cycle and the cycle of the sun.


my appologise

usually when people bring up the mayan calander its the whole 2012 end of the world nonsense

and thought you were tying it in with the whole revelations end of the world sillyness as well

so i pointed out the end of the world has been expected since just after jesus poppe off for a quick chat with dad

but you did state that the bible gives a date which ive yet to find in it
His disciples are zodiac signs, they are all still alive.


[edit on 15-11-2008 by seek4 truth]



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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His disiples are zodiac sign, they are all still alive.


Interesting.

Do you have them each assigned to their respective sign? If so, I'd like to see.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun
you could say water is blue becasue it is buts only a very light hint thats why it appears clear in small quanitities but gets darker blue the more you have and the more light it can absorb

the sky is transparent, your walking around in the sky if it was blue you would notice, it would be as blue down here as when you look up

and that would screw up long distance vision badly dont ya think?


Reading this inspired me to check up on the facts.
Sure enough you were right on the first:


Water owes its intrinsic blueness to selective absorption in the red part of its visible spectrum. The absorbed photons promote transitions to high overtone and combination states of the nuclear motions of the molecule, i.e. to highly excited vibrations. To our knowledge the intrinsic blueness of water is the only example from nature in which color originates from vibrational transitions.


But the atmosphere is also a translucent pale blue:



The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air. However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets scattered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this scattered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue.


As you look closer to the horizon, the sky appears much paler in color. To reach you, the scattered blue light must pass through more air. Some of it gets scattered away again in other directions. Less blue light reaches your eyes. The color of the sky near the horizon appears paler or white.




posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by L.I.B.
No, not rare at all. Though, it is quite a rare treat to run into such a jester as yourself who is also knowledgeable about his subject matter.


not only that but im handsome, can cook reasonably well and im modest too ^_^

although i do hate ironing

isnt it odd us godless heathens and god fearing atheists have a better grasp of the bible then many christians .... its like bieng a conisuer of french quisine when all you eat is McDonalds


Yep. Sometimes, well all too often, I see religion cause a loss of morals. But, then again, maybe those individuals are like that to begin with and just latch onto something to be superior?
glad i put im modest too or i might have been introuble with the superior comment


well the bible teaches only the followers of jesus get to happy land when they die, its basically teaching they are supperior its just some are dumb enough to beleive it makes everything they say and do superior and spread it around unfortunatley


Wanted to reply to you last night, but when I went to do so, my reply was only one or two words even though I had many more thoughts to go along with them. So instead of posting nah, yep and no doubt last night, I waited till today. Don't know if that makes you feel any better, but it sure does me!
maybe a lil confused but ^_^ thats my regular state of mind



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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ummm and again you missed the joke

title of thread ' Please tell me this bible verse does not mean what I think it does!'

AmericanDaughters reply: ok I will; this bible verse does not mean what you think it does!



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Kailassa

But the atmosphere is also a translucent pale blue:


no the sky is still transparent

its the way it scatters light that makes it appear blue, for it actually to be blue it would absorb all other light and leave only blue light to reflect from it, it doesnt it scatters the blue but leave the rest of the light spectrum untouched

it is in its self not blue, a swimming pool full of atmoshpere from high in the stratosphere has no more colour then the atmosphere down at ground level

thats why a photograph of the earth from space isnt blue, only the atmosphere around the edges of the earth with the light refracting through it is blue becasue of the refraction

when the angle of refraction changes the light alters and the sky appears to change colour, but doesnt really its just the angle of refraction changing, if you could make the sun move up and dpown at will it would bounce from blue to red and back again

but water does have the tiniest hint of blue pigment so water is blue

sky is clear

[edit on 15/11/08 by noobfun]



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by L.I.B.
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His disiples are zodiac sign, they are all still alive.


Interesting.

Do you have them each assigned to their respective sign? If so, I'd like to see.
1. Bartholomew corresponds Aries
2. James the elder to Taurus
3. Andrew to Gemini
4. Judas to Cancer
5. Peter to Leo
6. John the Evangelist to Virgo
7. Thomas to Libra
8. James the younger to Scorpio
9. Philip to Sagittarius
10. Matthew to Capricorn
11. Thaddeus to Aquarius)
12. Simon to Pisces



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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We did an experiment on this in my fourth grade elementary class.
It's been a while, but if I remember right, it is in fact the way that the atmosphere scatters light, and thus when we look up, or around at the horizon, it will appear blue.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by L.I.B.
No, not rare at all. Though, it is quite a rare treat to run into such a jester as yourself who is also knowledgeable about his subject matter.


not only that but im handsome, can cook reasonably well and im modest too ^_^


LOL, of course you are!



isnt it odd us godless heathens and god fearing atheists have a better grasp of the bible then many christians .... its like bieng a conisuer of french quisine when all you eat is McDonalds

Many who have studied the bible in depth have ended up turning away from it and religion. While it is odd, I've often seen that atheists do in fact know the bible better than most believers.



Yep. Sometimes, well all too often, I see religion cause a loss of morals. But, then again, maybe those individuals are like that to begin with and just latch onto something to be superior?
glad i put im modest too or i might have been introuble with the superior comment

LOL. It was probably superior-istic of me to even say that. Got another paddle so I can help in getting this superior canoe up river?



well the bible teaches only the followers of jesus get to happy land when they die,

I don't believe the bible teaches that. Yet, it is obvious that many/most of the followers of the believe that it does.

Additionally, about getting to the happy land... it is also too bad that it isn't understood that that is supposed to happen while alive.


its basically teaching they are supperior its just some are dumb enough to beleive it makes everything they say and do superior and spread it around unfortunatley

Yes, unfortunately. Too bad it isn't seen that this belief is confining and that it is based in fear and is contrary to Jesus' teaching to have no fear.



Wanted to reply to you last night, but when I went to do so, my reply was only one or two words even though I had many more thoughts to go along with them. So instead of posting nah, yep and no doubt last night, I waited till today. Don't know if that makes you feel any better, but it sure does me!
maybe a lil confused but ^_^ thats my regular state of mind

I'd try to explain, but would only end up creating more confusion, I think.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by L.I.B.

LOL, of course you are!


that could be taken as sarcasm but im vein enough to over look that possability ^_^

how would you know that are you spying on me?



Many who have studied the bible in depth have ended up turning away from it and religion. While it is odd, I've often seen that atheists do in fact know the bible better than most believers.
or went crazy

often both at the same time ^_^



LOL. It was probably superior-istic of me to even say that. Got another paddle so I can help in getting this superior canoe up river?
paddle? paddle? science loving godless heathens dont use paddles we have outboards so we can start feeling superiro before everyone else has even warmed up



I don't believe the bible teaches that. Yet, it is obvious that many/most of the followers of the believe that it does.

Additionally, about getting to the happy land... it is also too bad that it isn't understood that that is supposed to happen while alive.
o_0 ok this i want clarification of

i guess the Belinda Carlisle was right 'heaven is a place on earth' if you pull this one off, also means im showing my ages ...chage the subject fast



I'd try to explain, but would only end up creating more confusion, I think.
Dare ya! Double Dare ya too!



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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Hitler was into the Occult big time, which Atheist do not believe in. Research this as he was a member of the Thule socieity......

cephasministry.com...

"They were Satanists who practiced Black Magic -- this means that they were "solely concerned with raising their consciousness by means of rituals to awareness of evil and nonhuman intelligences in the universe; and with achieving means of communication with these intelligences." (Ravenscroft, p. 161). Concentrate on that seemingly innocent word, rituals. Christians equate a ritual to a church service, thereby not understanding its occultic mean-ing."

Before you flame back I suggest that you do the research, because if you don't and respond otherwise I will blow you away with research.

An Atheist does not believe in Satan, Lucifer or anything supernatural. So, Hitler was an atheist.

Don't rely on personal opinion, I stopped a long time ago when I discovered that the history books, history in the Encl., Main stream media, and TV, were controlled by the CFR, Bilderbergers and other elite organizations.........the Historical text books, especially for us in the USA are mostly fabricated and the evidence is overwhelming.



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posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 08:13 PM
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Meant to say that Hitler was NOT an atheist.....typo.... The next world government will be based on the New Age Movement, or a false Christianity. It will be a hybrid of Communism, Socialism and Nazism. The New Age Movement is Nazism with another name.



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posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by L.I.B.

LOL, of course you are!


that could be taken as sarcasm but im vein enough to over look that possability ^_^

I was emphatically in agreement with you... no sarcasm at all, REALLY!




Many who have studied the bible in depth have ended up turning away from it and religion. While it is odd, I've often seen that atheists do in fact know the bible better than most believers.
or went crazy

often both at the same time ^_^

I can testify to that. Was intimately, at one point, there, but please don't tell anyone. ha!




LOL. It was probably superior-istic of me to even say that. Got another paddle so I can help in getting this superior canoe up river?
paddle? paddle? science loving godless heathens dont use paddles we have outboards so we can start feeling superiro before everyone else has even warmed up

ROFL



I don't believe the bible teaches that. Yet, it is obvious that many/most of the followers of the believe that it does.

Additionally, about getting to the happy land... it is also too bad that it isn't understood that that is supposed to happen while alive.
o_0 ok this i want clarification of

Oy vey!

Will you give me a rain check on this? Who knows, I might even get the clarification to you tomorrow. Just would like to be a little more refreshed than I am now to dig into it. okay?


i guess the Belinda Carlisle was right 'heaven is a place on earth' if you pull this one off, also means im showing my ages ...chage the subject fast

You? showing age? I don't see it... not one bit.


I'd try to explain, but would only end up creating more confusion, I think.
Dare ya! Double Dare ya too! Ok, lol... I'll repost as it would have been had I posted my reply last night:


hahaha a friendly atheist is really that rare?

nah...


guess im living proof morales arnt exclusive to religeon

yep.


you just stepped into the cross fire of Moooo he is a great guy and very passionate about things whch is a good quality
no doubt.

Aren't you glad I waited? Sorry that I took you up on your dare?



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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i never said hitler was an athiest

he was a catholic

he was involved in aspects of the occult but always considered him self a cristiuan of the catholic denomination until the day he died


many of the funddies keep trying to say hitler was an athiest and thats why he was a psycho

Hitler probabily the worlds worst atheist - is sarcasm as you can see by the quote he had the atheists shot stabbed and beaten to death not neccessarily in that order


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posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by tgambill
Meant to say that Hitler was NOT an atheist.....typo.... The next world government will be based on the New Age Movement, or a false Christianity. It will be a hybrid of Communism, Socialism and Nazism. The New Age Movement is Nazism with another name.


And yet, the majority of Christians support all that. The Germans were also christians. If they had been following the path and understanding, they wouldn't have done so. It was because they worshiped the image, and then submitted to authority because of Romans(which you like to quote).

The name of the book is Romans. Where it teaches people to submit to authority. Romans, the name of the rulers at the time of Jesus who carried out his murder. romans, the ones who created the Church. Romans, the ones who carried out the crusades. Romans, the ones who supported Hitler.

Funny, I support the constitution, and can explain and show why the constitution of the US is the best government. I even have a theory that the US is the church of philadelphia in the bible, and the constitution is the Key of David.



posted on Nov, 15 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by L.I.B.

I was emphatically in agreement with you... no sarcasm at all, REALLY!
so you really are spying on me andknow what i look like?


now im paranoid



I can testify to that. Was intimately, at one point, there, but please don't tell anyone. ha!
ok but can i tell everyone cause thats different?



Oy vey!

Will you give me a rain check on this? Who knows, I might even get the clarification to you tomorrow. Just would like to be a little more refreshed than I am now to dig into it. okay?
well its 2:30 am i have no issue with that lol



You? showing age? I don't see it... not one bit.
that must mean i look even younger then i pretend i am on your spy cameras ^_^ sweet


Aren't you glad I waited? Sorry that I took you up on your dare?
yourright i am more confused now and its all your fault



posted on Nov, 16 2008 @ 12:59 AM
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"Funny, I support the constitution, and can explain and show why the constitution of the US is the best government. I even have a theory that the US is the church of philadelphia in the bible, and the constitution is the Key of David. "

******The constitution is not the key of David. Let me tell you a true story. Once upon a time there was these people called Scottish rite masons from Europe. They came to the United States in the 1700's to forment a war once the New World was settled. The Masons in the US were okay and served the purpose that they intended. However, the Evil side of the Masons infiltrated the continental Masonry and with a plan formented the World Revolution, by a completed plan written by Adam Weishaupt, 1 May 1776. Weishaupt was retained by the Rothschilds to write this plan around the 1770s. He also designed the Luciferian Illuminati branch in the US. The insider Masons were good speakers they designed the Constitution as favorable for this new Union and convinced the colonist to revolt and declare independence. The Boston Tea party was an adjourned Masons meeting and dressed as Indians, they started the process to instigate the war. Paul Revere was involved. Washington was not, and John Adam was not. Washington learned of this conspiracy in 1798 when Rev. Snyder sent him [Washington] a copy of John Robison's thesis, "Proofs of a Conspiracy.", 1798. Thomas Jefferson was also turned to the evil side by Adam Weishaupt and drew angry letters from Washington when he [Thomas Jefferson] worked to protect him. Anyway, the point is, our Constitution was used or designed to be a trigger for war. The Rothschilds as they do today with the other 12 Illuminati families forment wars to bring about economic controls. They work both sides of the wars and have ever since. Even in the Civil War the Rothschilds funded the two sides of the Civil War starting in 1850 when the planning for the Civil war began. They used Slavery as the trigger for this war as planned in 1790's by bringing slavery to the South to be used as a trigger 60 years later between the North and south. At the same time the same families then planned the wars for the 1900s to use communism [coined in 1850 and the thesis was given to Karl Marx to rewrite by Clinton Roosevelt and Albert Pike] to fight against Facism [karl Ritter wrote], in the early 1900's. Wall Street funded Lenin in 1905, Trosky and the Bolseviks and finally in 1928, Wall Street [Illuminati] funded Hitler. The names in Wall street that were traitors were Prescott Bush, DuPont family, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, IBM, Henry Ford just to name a few. Facts by irrefutable historical research. WWII was planned soon after WWI and the list goes on with each and every war right up to today with this fake war on terror. If you want the nasty details I can give you references that extend the length of the 6500 characters as a thumbnail sketch

All of this is the reality.......and it can't be refuted because the facts are documented.



posted on Nov, 16 2008 @ 01:40 AM
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Sorry, but you have that a bit screwed up. The revolutionary war was all about central banking. The bankers you mention were in control of the central bank of England. The colonies started to print up their own money(interest and debt free) called scripts. This is what lead to the harsh treatment to the colonies by them.

The founders of this country were able to win that war because they were printing up their own money, instead of being dependent on the bank. After winning, they set up something which was totally unique - a limited government where the power pyramid that had strangled the world was turned upside down, where the people were free and at the top, with a government made to serve them.

The constitution doesn't tell the government what it CAN'T do. It tells them only the things they can do. If it is not listed in that, then it is off limits. Today the pyramid has been reversed, and the government is unlimited in what it can do, outside the few listed rights - of which we are constantly be infringed on.

There has been a constant effort to kill the US in this style since it was born. And that effort has pretty much been successful in that time, with the economic slavery coming in 1913.

This country was founded in Philadelphia. When you look at what David did, he took the unwanted people of the earth and rose up with them. The people who authority were against. The constitution in many ways provides protection for that, by keeping a hold on that authority to protect the little man. Just a theory, but it makes sense to me. As no doubt, the constitution was the first to do this, and while it's ignored, manipulated and people are blinded by the flag/nationalism, the truth of how this country is supposed to work is still there. Just like as much as people ignore the teachings of Jesus, manipulate what he said and are blinded by the cross/symbolism, the truth of what he said is still there in the bible.



posted on Nov, 16 2008 @ 02:52 AM
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We both are right as I didn't mention the money issue. Andrew Jackson was the only president that balanced the budget and he knew about the money powers. This is the reason that there was an attempt on his life while he attended a funeral. Lawrence fired twice and both flintlocks failed to fire. The Constitution was the necessary trigger to cause a war as they used this issue of Freedom to trigger that war. Every single war we have fought has been started with a "false flag" or by provocation in order for the central banks to gain control and to build wealth and to control people. Every war bar none even up to our war in Iraq. Designed for control but will be the step necessary to get the war in Iran started using the fake war on terror.

Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison. [Given to George Washington to prove they existed, 1798]
www.sacred-texts.com...

True story.....and true thesis "war is a racket"
www.lexrex.com...
rationalrevolution.net...

they actually offered General Butler $60,000 to lead a revolt against the US government in 1933. FDR was actually in on the plot and was going to declare martial law but it failed when Butler blew the whistle in 1934.

www.clubhousewreckards.com...

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

Prescott Bush, DuPonts, Rockefellers, Morgans were part of this coup.

part 1
www.youtube.com...
part 2
www.youtube.com...
part 3
www.youtube.com...

FDR was part of this coup to use it to justify declaring martial law and a dictatorship using his New Deal which was in fact a plan for communist rule.





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