the ultra cool brown dwarf, page 1
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Topic started on 9-11-2008 @ 02:08 PM by aginstitall
i been doing some research on the theory that jupiter could be turn into a brown dwarf but as i became more and more disapointed i came across the site www.newscientist.com... who have claimed to have found a ultra cool brown dwarf only 15% bigger than jupiter. So now that mass is out of the question why can't juipiter be turned into a star?


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 02:29 PM by operation mindcrime
reply to post by aginstitall


Last time i looked Jupiter had a redish colour so turning it into a brown star is gonna take a lot of paint my friend...

But seriously turning planets into stars is not something you can just do. You are seriously gonna have to get clearance from the Galatic Federation of Light. And last i heard there construction laws are pretty strickt.

You first have to fill in an A45/B request.....

But to be honest i wouldn't know ,sorry


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 02:41 PM by operation mindcrime
Originally posted by aginstitall
i been doing some research on the theory that jupiter could be turn into a brown dwarf but as i became more and more disapointed i came across the site www.newscientist.com... who have claimed to have found a ultra cool brown dwarf only 15% bigger than jupiter. So now that mass is out of the question why can't juipiter be turned into a star?


I've been doing some "research" as well and i to was disapointed 'cause it would really help global warming and all to have not one but two suns in our solar system but i think i have the answer!!

given the fact that Jupiter is made up of 90% hydrogen and 10% helium all we need is

www.zippo.com...

oh and somebody to travel the distance and light *snip* and voila....

so any volunteers???

(censor circum.)

[edit on 18/11/08 by Jbird]



reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 02:44 PM by Darthorious
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
Originally posted by aginstitall
i been doing some research on the theory that jupiter could be turn into a brown dwarf but as i became more and more disapointed i came across the site www.newscientist.com... who have claimed to have found a ultra cool brown dwarf only 15% bigger than jupiter. So now that mass is out of the question why can't juipiter be turned into a star?


I've been doing some "research" as well and i to was disapointed 'cause it would really help global warming and all to have not one but two suns in our solar system but i think i have the answer!!

given the fact that Jupiter is made up of 90% hydrogen and 10% helium all we need is

www.zippo.com...

oh and somebody to travel the distance and light the f**ker and voila....

so any volunteers???


lol...

I would go there in a second and pretty sure many other folks would too.


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 02:57 PM by Lecter
reply to post by operation mindcrime



With the hangover I got I am up for the mission. A dumb question on my part but do we need oxygen to make this happen?


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 03:11 PM by operation mindcrime
reply to post by Lecter


Damnit...now i'm even more disapointed. I knew we forgot something. So to answer your question -aginstitall-

"So now that mass is out of the question why can't juipiter be turned into a star? "

I'm sorry but we are unable to help you set Jupiter on fire...damn we were this close....

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reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 03:31 PM by operation mindcrime
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I could do a lot of copying and pasting but i'll just post the link. Makes for better reading with a the pictures still in place.

www.sciam.com...

But in short...just apply some pressure

enjoy..

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reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 03:38 PM by Zaphod58
It's not possible for a planet to become a star. Jupiter is about 1/80th the mass it would need to become a star.

www.badastronomy.com...

This page may help.

ETA: You don't just have to "apply some pressure" you need a critical mass before it could become a star, and Jupiter isn't even close. It has the wrong type of hydrogen, not enough lithium for a fission device, and hydrogen explosions aren't the kind of reaction that will continue once it starts. Eventually it will burn itself out, and pretty quickly at that.

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reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 03:59 PM by operation mindcrime
Originally posted by Zaphod58
It's not possible for a planet to become a star. Jupiter is about 1/80th the mass it would need to become a star.

www.badastronomy.com...

This page may help.

ETA: You don't just have to "apply some pressure" you need a critical mass before it could become a star, and Jupiter isn't even close. It has the wrong type of hydrogen, not enough lithium for a fission device, and hydrogen explosions aren't the kind of reaction that will continue once it starts. Eventually it will burn itself out, and pretty quickly at that.

[edit on 11/9/2008 by Zaphod58]

[edit on 11/9/2008 by Zaphod58]


ETA: You don't just have to "apply some pressure" ....no sh*t?? Are you beeing serious here or did you just NOT read the rest of this article.
It begins with some guy being disapointed when he found out that he couldn't turn Jupiter into a star. How would you think i was going to apply pressure to the biggest planet in our solar system?...a really big paper-press?


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 05:25 PM by RuneSpider
reply to post by Darthorious


From my extremely basic understanding of gravity and mass, as long as the planet's mass stayed the same, it's gravity wouldn't change.
So, Jupiter could be replaced by a relatively massed brown dwarf and there wouldn't be much of a affect, aside from loosing a striking figure in our night sky.
As for it turning into a brown dwarf... doesn't seem bloody likely.



reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 05:37 PM by Rren
Originally posted by aginstitall
[...] i came across the site www.newscientist.com... who have claimed to have found a ultra cool brown dwarf only 15% bigger than jupiter. So now that mass is out of the question why can't juipiter be turned into a star?



Mass is still a factor. Brown dwarfs are considered to be at the demarcation line between a (massive) planet and a star. The newly discovered Y-class brown dwarf {CFBDS0059} is still 15-30% more massive than Jupiter, hence, the Jovian Giant is still too small.



UniverseToday.com





It is hotter on the surface of Venus than it is on this sun! Looks like they've found ammonia there too.

Nice find.


Mod Note: Forum Image Linking Policy – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 18/11/08 by Jbird]

edit: Apologies Jbird. Forgot about the hot-linking rule. I've now hosted the image in photobucket.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Rren]


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 10:04 PM by Rren
reply to post by aginstitall




No, I have not. I only have access to the abstract you posted. Perhaps you could provide a synopsis of the paper (especially its conclusion wrt "the possibility of turning Jupiter into an artificial star by seeding it with a primordial black hole...") and the feasibility of such? Thanks.



I do notice that this paper was published almost 30 years ago and has since only been cited twice. Take from that what you will. Although, the idea of seeding Jupiter with primordial black holes in order to terraform some of its moons is way cool, I doubt it is feasible to do so. Of course I'm no theoretical astrophysicist. So, if you'd care to enlighten me I'm all ears.
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