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posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 11:43 AM
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If Irish-Americans are conducting criminal activities here in support of the IRA, then the FBI will get them. My wife's relatives that came here from Ireland within the last 50 years were leaders in the Irish mob in the NE USA. They are in jail now since we don't support the Irish bringing their mess over here or shipping it back home...but keep believing your tabloid media on your little island.




posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 11:45 AM
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no, no, no TC. However, firstly I don`t think it was a small amount and I shall do my best to back this up in due course. Secondly if so many americans have Irish roots let me apologize, I understand most would never support this kind of action. and I`m certainly not blaming all of the USA.

MT69 "- Yes, the US is to blame...even with their own criminal activity in their European backyards. So when someone gets mugged in London near Soho...it's gotta be the fault of the US or something like that"

just what the hell has that got to do with what was being said above, you don`t get blamed for everything so get off it.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 11:47 AM
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I guess sarcasm doesn't exist in England.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 11:52 AM
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LOL! My mother in law is Korean. Talk about missing sarcasm!!
As far as my lineage, yes, my background is Irish, but I am American. I believe this war on terror should extend to waxing the IRA, and any other group that uses carbombs to blow up children and women.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 11:53 AM
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sarcasm alive and kicking but given your views its just a tad difficult to tell when your being sarcastic and serious (as someone else pointed out on another thread)



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 11:56 AM
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TC damn right it should and all those other pieces of rubbish the UDA UVF etc, bring on the day they are all gone

(one of the protestant groups has just withdrawn from the decommissioning process)



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 12:01 PM
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Well, when somone from England blames us for the IRA...and then I say we're also to blame for all crimes in England...that is sarcasm.

It is a joke that anyone in England would point the finger at us across the Big Pond because of the IRA. Maybe a few drunks in Boston support the IRA, but the rest of the USA thinks they're scumbags when they attack innocent people.

When I went on vacation all over Europe back in the 90s, I had to get an intel briefing by AFOSI because of my security clearance. The ONLY place they warned me about was Ireland/Northern Ireland due to the IRA. Funny that the British are blaming us for the IRA, yet I'm supposed to look out for IRA attacks on myself.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 12:37 PM
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well MT69 that would be because the US and it's citizens are universal scapegoats of world exploitation, imperialism, and underhandedness. i think it's because we have accomplished more in 200 yrs than most countries have done in 1000 yrs. when your the big dog on the block, everyone's gunning for ya. it's a fact of life, a sad one.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 01:07 PM
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Come On!!I don't blame the USA as a whole for the IRA bombings BUT!!It wasn't a big issue to Americans was it?You all thought they were bloody freedom fighters.While you all had a homely image of quaint republicans we spent 30 years being warned every Christmas that we could get blown up.I remember almost getting in a fight with a group of Americans who suggested the British Government should pull their tanks out of Dublin So ignorant are the majority.

And the irony?Well,The money that was raised in the USA was spent in places like Libya and Syria.

Now for the first time the USA faces terrorism of it's own and having lived all my life under the threat of terrorism I think it is only right that we should stand together.BUT!! don't change history,Don't deny your elected representative,even up to President,sympathised with terrorist aims,and don't deny that it was a TextCAUSE CELEBE.

THE BRITISH ONLY FOSTERED THE HISTORICAL ANIMOSITY WHICH LED TO TERRORISM.IT WAS THE AMERICANS WHO FINANCED IT.Draw your own comparisons with todays Terrorists.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 05:44 PM
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A small group of misguided Americans funded the IRA, the USA overall didn't like the IRA tactics but also didn't like England running "another" colony in Ireland.

The Brits should've pulled out of Ireland earlier and the IRA would've never popped up on the map, so both sides are to blame.

The Protestants should've just left Ireland if they can't stand the majority of the country being Catholic. I'm Protestant myself and don't agree with either side killing each other over "religion and politics." If I couldn't stand Catholics running Ireland, I would run for office myself or just leave for the UK.

I'm about 75% English blood and the rest Irish/German/Scottish. I blame everyone over there in the UK/Ireland for the whole mess. It's just idiots running amuck instead of just allowing democracy in a FREE country, not a UK colony, to run its course.

The Brits still hang on to their imperialistic views of the world and the Irish think what church you attend makes you a legit Irishman. All that stupidity rolled up on little islands in the North Atlantic is why Americans really don't care what the morons are fighting for over there. We can't invade England to force them to give Ireland land back to the locals and we can't invade Ireland to force them to quit shooting each other over churches.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 06:49 PM
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Remind me MT69, how far from the US mainland is Hawaii?

The truth about NI is anyone who claims to understand the problem, doesn't understand the problem.



posted on Jan, 19 2003 @ 07:02 PM
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What about Hawaii??? Are you trying to say they're a colony??? Uh...their own people voted to become a state unlike Guam and Puerto Rico. Those two have the option to become states if they like, but they have a better situation being associated with the USA without being a state.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 12:00 AM
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it's wrong to blow-up women and childern with car bombs but it's cool to do it with nukes...huhn?


goodness, perception is everything.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 12:38 AM
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There's a difference when two countries are at WAR compared to terrorists randomly attacking people. The Japanese are to blame for nukes falling on their own people.

This reminds me of my POW camp training where the guys playing the POW camp guards were blaming me, the leader of our group, for the beating a female was taking after I declined to sign a war crimes declaration...I told them everything that happened in the camp was their fault not my fault since they created the POW camp. They were shocked...



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 04:43 AM
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We supported your effort to find out who had instigated 9/11
as it became increasingly obvious that you didn't know our support started to waver.
when you went into afghanistan, we weren't happy and started to look for political adgendas unrelated to 9/11,
when these began to manifest themselves and you failed to capture Ossama, instead turning your focus on the "war against terrorism" and Saddam Hussein we really started to loose our patience, it seemed theUS's goal posts were shifting from an isolated event to the continuation of Bush's own political machinations.

and thats why you've lost support concerning Iraq.
I think The people of the UK have been massively tollerant in their support from the outset but now they are questioning what your doing.

anyone else coming to the March on the 15th in London?



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 04:39 PM
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Lupe...so you live in England but haven't mastered ENGLISH yet????



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 04:40 PM
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Lupe...so you live in England but haven't mastered ENGLISH yet????



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by MT69
Lupe...so you live in England but haven't mastered ENGLISH yet????
Not everyone with an opinion is an expert at expressing it.

Why is it that when you can't make an intelligent criticism of a post you have to resort to ripping into the persons ability with English?

I notice that you double posted here too. We all make mistakes.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 06:23 PM
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LOL!!
It takes all I can do to keep from ending a sentence with a preposition!
Pardon us colony-folk, we tend to think of you Lions as being the keeper of the language. Just another stereotype, I suppose.

Saphie, I don't want to belittle the perceptions of the IRA fighters, although I see them as terrorists, but if you can't see the difference between the IRA and WWII Pacific theater...if you can't see the number of lives saved as it happened as opposed to how it could have, there's no point in trying to explain it any further. I choose to believe you understand but continue your line of reasoning, severely flawed as it is, in hopes of convincing the civilized people that by ignoring the uncivilized, somehow lives will be saved. This line of reasoning is also severely flawed. What will it take to make you understand such evil as to be smashed? The death of your own friends and family members? I pray that doesn't happen.
As it stands, very dear friends of mine are headed into harm's way right now. They aren't the 18 year old guts/glory types but are the ones who know the idea is to get the job done and come back in one piece. They don't go because they are looking for some sort of vain glory that is never found in death and pain, but willingly go because they know the alternative to meeting the enemy there is meeting the enemy here, in our own land. Where you live. Where your loved ones live. Where my loved ones live.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 06:40 PM
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murder is murder, its all wrong. i can't condone either. my heart won't allow it..though my brain sees your point. its simple to me really, violence is never the answer.

i have two cousins, one Marine, one Navy. and an aunt who is leaving soon (army)...i pray for them. but more i pray for our leaders cause this is non-sense. my fam is prepared to die for me and i would be lying if i said that doesn't make me proud. no matter, it's still wrong and unjustified.

ah well, i could cry it's so sad what humans do to themselves.




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