Originally posted by TheColdDragon
Originally posted by miriam0566
Wow. The level of Arrogance, conceit and ignorance in that one word response is astounding. The Jewish people, the Chosen Race, the people who wrote
and passed down the Old Testament for thousands of years before the Christians were even a thought in anyone's head... THEY didn't "Interpret" God
I suppose if that were true, the Christian Faith wouldn't be accurate in the least as it would be based on a flawed foundation of a wrongly
think about for a second what you are essentially asking me to do. you are asking me to defend revealed information without using the reveal
information. you dont want me to use christian texts
is the gospel´s inspired or not?
if they are, they alone hold your answers. jesus was tempted by a person, not a metaphor. he had conversations with demons, where they metaphors too?
your are effectively taking speculation (a rabbi simply saying satan is a metaphor) and you are comparing it to inspired writings, then your talking
the side of the speculation. then you call me ignorant and arrogant.
the jewish people, the chosen race, make mistakes. they always did. constantly introducing false worship in there day to day lives. alot of the
prophet books attest to that. and yet you are saying im the one who is ignorant?
What evidence can you even possibly Cite that doesn't occur in the era of the Christians? You can't make such a claim. That would be like
saying water doesn't have a boiling point because it isn't boiling NOW and citing that as proof.
again... are the gospels inspired or not? if they are inspired, why would i NOT be able to cite them?
A title for WHAT, per se?
first occurrence of the title appears in numbers 22:22 and actually doesnt refer to ha sa-tan´ or the devil but actually to an angel sent by god to
1sa 29:4, 2 sa 19:21,22, 1 ki 5:4, 11:14, 23, 25 all have ¨satan¨ in them in the original hebrew, but are not actually referring to satan, but
rather to adversaries or resistors.
¨satan¨ is a title, not a name. satan´s original name as far as we know is not made known.
And as for where it is "SAID" in the book, I stated very explicitly that you should speak with a Rabbi on the subject. The oral traditions
of the Jewish faith are just as strong today as they were three thousand years ago. I would qualify a Rabbi as far more qualified to make statements
about their faith than you are.
but once again we get back to inspiration or not...
john 8: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
jesus´ own words. was he wrong to call satan the ¨father¨ of the lie?
Depends on the Rabbi. Everyone is capable of being wrong, but a Rabbi knows more about his people's religion than you do. Assuming they are
"WRONG" on something that you haven't been raised to teach is incredibly arrogant.
no, arrogant is assuming someone is right or wrong based on no evidence. looking at the scriptures, one can easily deduce that satan is a person and
that he was there in the garden of eden. you can trifle all you want and say well you can only use the hebrew scriptures to prove that or you can cite
what scholars say on the subject, but it doesnt change the fact that the scriptures are staring you right in the face.
I'm well aware of myriad different origins of Lucifer. Helal is but one possible explanation, and a popular one
the point is, we both agree its not satan.
Why do you believe Satan was? It's been demonstrated that the usage of Lucifer from various points in the bible doesn't refer to the Serpent, and
Satan's name was added to the book after adopting Shai'Tahn into the religion... so who is the Snake?
Was the snake Deceiving, or was the Snake being truthful? Was the snake undermining the Lord Thy God, and if so, for what Reason?
Gnosticism proposes that the Snake was Pistis Sophia, the mother of the Demi-Urgos, who saw the potential in humankind to become one with the Great
Divine Spirit, and so subverted the destiny of Humankind by making them eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
does that seriously make sense to you?
start with the lie. didnt satan say that eve would not die? didnt eve die?
if satan was truthful, then wouldnt god be the liar? didnt it ever occur to you that that is what satan would have wanted? he is called a liar and
as to why, just think about it for a moment. covetousness. he wanted something he didnt have. he wanted glory for himself. its the same reason people
try to usurp thrones. they want the honor.