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Originally posted by lucidclouds
Have you studied pay attention to daniel's prophecy?
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by DigitalKid
FOLLOW YOUR OWN PATH AND YOU WILL FIND THE WAY. WE ARE ALL A PART OF GREATNESS!
man has followed its own path to "greatness" for 6 thousand years. even with the bible a majority of man has ignored it. even the church has ignored.
the world today is what happens when you do that. people starve, there are wars, crime, and everyone dies.
you know hitler was following his own path also..
Originally posted by DigitalKid
this is what life is all about for me, learning and spirtual growth.
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by spy66
We assume that since we cant talk to animals then Adam and Eve cant.
didnt an angel make a donkey talk? why wouldnt satan be able to do the same thing?
we know it has to be satan from a subtle reference.
in verse 4 and 5 the serpent says "Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
in verse 13 eve basically says that the serpent deceived her. she knew after she ate the fruit that she wasnt like god, the serpent lied.
this was the first lie. keep that in mind, then read john 8:44
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
or in other translations, satan is called the "father of the lie", the first being in the universe to tell a lie.
thats how we know that satan was the serpent.
[edit on 11-11-2008 by miriam0566]
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by DigitalKid
this is what life is all about for me, learning and spirtual growth.
what about all the others that have a different view of life?
what about people who think life is about getting what you want when you want it no matter what the consequence?
are you seriously going to encourage them to ¨follow their own path¨ ?
Originally posted by spy66
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by spy66
We assume that since we cant talk to animals then Adam and Eve cant.
didnt an angel make a donkey talk? why wouldnt satan be able to do the same thing?
we know it has to be satan from a subtle reference.
in verse 4 and 5 the serpent says "Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
in verse 13 eve basically says that the serpent deceived her. she knew after she ate the fruit that she wasnt like god, the serpent lied.
this was the first lie. keep that in mind, then read john 8:44
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
or in other translations, satan is called the "father of the lie", the first being in the universe to tell a lie.
thats how we know that satan was the serpent.
[edit on 11-11-2008 by miriam0566]
I am sorry but i dont see have you can make the snake into the devil by what you say. You are just making jesters that's all i can read from this. I see the opposite.
God never mention the devil once in the garden of Eden in this text. He is just talking to a serpent. The serpent cant be the devil. God never describes the devil in the Bible as a serpent, only humans do that in their interpretations of the text. But we humans say a lot of things and we also imagine a lot of things.
What you have interpreted is what every one else thinks and they grant you as clever. And they do so without even looking at the text. What you say makes a lot of sense to our imagination but your interpretation is only build up on roomers and teachings about this text from other people. Your just quoting the roomer everyone supports. But dose it make the snake the devil......No i dont think so.
If you read your statement closely you can see that you even say that it is something else. Your just putting two and two together and and whoops it has to be the devil. Yeah what else would make sense right.
What Eve tels God after eating the fruit is really not important.
The serpent is not telling a lie at all. He is just not telling the whole story about what will happen. Is that a crime!!! Adam and Eve knew beforehand that God forbid them to eat from the tree. And God never told Adam and Eve the whole story either.
And why dont you bring up what God dose to the serpent! Is that because it sort of back fires your interpretation of what the serpent really is.
What you interpret is that the snake is possessed by the devil and that's what roomers and teaching teach us and we like to belive that thas a fact. Its because it makes a logical explanation on behalf of the role of the serpent in the garden of Eden. But is that what the event in the garden of Eden is all about ?
Originally posted by Horus12
Good/God
Evil/Devil
Simple word play.
[edit on 12-11-2008 by Horus12]
Originally posted by Simplynoone
The Devil spoke through the serpent .
Just like he speaks through men today .
The Devil can use a animal .....(Remember the swine ?)Adam and Eve could not have been tempted from within yet because they had not known sin up until satan tempted them ...
So he used that old serpent to deceive them ....
That was the only way in that garden I believe he could have gotten to them .
I am pretty sure there is more to it than that though ..
The Serpent must have represented what satan is like........(In his image)
Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.
1) serpent, snake
a) serpent
b) image (of serpent)
c) fleeing serpent (mythological)
Originally posted by Grumble
If you try to apply logic to the Bible you will be very confused...
Originally posted by spy66The serpent cant be the devil.
What Eve tels God after eating the fruit is really not important.
The serpent is not telling a lie at all. He is just not telling the whole story about what will happen. Is that a crime!!! Adam and Eve knew beforehand that God forbid them to eat from the tree. And God never told Adam and Eve the whole story either.
And why dont you bring up what God dose to the serpent! Is that because it sort of back fires your interpretation of what the serpent really is.
What you interpret is that the snake is possessed by the devil and that's what roomers and teaching teach us and we like to believe that that's a fact. Its because it makes a logical explanation on behalf of the role of the serpent in the garden of Eden.
Is it a act of the devil or is it just a serpent acting on its own. Have can you people be so sure its the devil. God dosent speak to the serpent as if it was the devil. God condemns the serpent for doing a evil deed thats all. It dosent make the serpent a devil.