Originally posted by lucidclouds
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Well, the Torah or the Pentateuch is the first part of the OT. And the story in question is one of the first and most important stories of the Torah
which contains the five Mosaic books. You won't find much on this story elsewhere in the Bible. I don't see your dilemma...
My dilemma, as you call it, is that my answer to the OP is that in revelation, peter, RAISED AS A JEW, calls satan the original serpent the one
misleading the entire inhabited earth.
So if I call you a grumpy old fart, it is automatically stated as a fact that you sparked the Big Bang? Besides, when did this Peter of yours say what
he said, you're obviously not talking about the Bible, are you, for it's not in it...? Now here, let me rather try to explain for ya'all what
exactly happened there in Eden or Paradise back. I'll try to be short. If you choose not to believe me, so be it, but this is how it goes....
The Elohim Jahveh creates Adam, Human, using an earthbound clay soul. His angel would be the Son of Man, his Arch, who later became Jesus, the second
Adam, or like John the Baptist said about him: "Him who existed before I, comes after me". Like the gods, the first Adam was transgendered and was
in effect able to procreate on his own. As his spouse God had made Lilit, the most desirable and wise supercreature. They lived together for quite a
while, but Adam could never live with the humiliation every time Lilit refused to do as he wished. Adam went to his father and complained, saying he
wanted to find his like but that noone in Eden fit him. Then God puts Adam to sleep and what happens is written in Genesis (if you write "Genesis"
in Hebrew here on ATS you are corrected for talking dirty, what's wrong with # anyway? Without it the Earth would look worse than Mars): God takes
out a rib-cell from Adam (Heb. Tsela is the exact same word as Gr. Cell). Then he closes the SHAMEFUL WOUND DOWN THERE with meat. From the cell God
took out of Adam, God builds a woman who is later called Shevah, Eve, or woman/female, ishsjah, for like Adam said, she was taken out of Man, ish.
When time was right and it was time for the new breed to enter into the circle of life, God called for Lilit, and they planned to set them up since
their destinies were lain, Eve was probably pregnant at this time without knowing it. God said to Lilit: "Like Adam betrayed you, so shall you betray
him, but be wise for I will judge in the case between you". And Lilit did her trick in the Tree they were told not to eat from that we know. But to
understand what exactly happened when their eyes were opened, you must try to understand what it would be like to all of a sudden being able to
evesdropping through God's grapevines, to see the future. To be or atleast feel responsibility for it, and through hammering signs into rock, change
the course of the future; and history too, btw.... Well when God found them and saw that they had fallen for Lilit's game, he first cursed Eve with
the rather bitter blessing of always haing Lilit's calendar with her, together with a couple of other reminders from the incidence, like having to
give birth to fetuses that are really too big for us, and because it was Eve who agreed and not Adam, God cursed the Earth instead and promised Adam
the fruits of this curse. Lilit was cursed to outlive her children and see them all die until dirt is all that is left. God handed out the fruits of
science and progress -- sorrow and pain.
Then God ordered his highest ranking angel, his name at that time would be Ratziel and he was the wisest among the angels and gatekeeper of the
highest heaven. He was to write down all there is to know about everything Man will ever do, and give the book to Adam. Raziel did this and Adam got
the book. Part of the story goes that Adam never understood as much as an iota of what was in it. Anyway, an angel who was later called Satan was
furious when he heared what God had done. How in heaven and on earth could he have given away the kind of knowledge that he had, and to a freaking
halfbreed of a monkey, not even able to procreate on his own?!? It ended it the same way it always seems to end when Man has done something stupid and
God tries to fix it up. -- With a war in heaven where Satan and a 3rd of the angels fights against those on God's side. Satan then snatched the book
away from Adam, and humanity lost the Spark of Heaven. Together with his angels Satan lowered the book to the deepest deep of the ocean and locked it
in chains. After that Satan has been seen walking earthbound never again being able to stand before his maker, not until his last day. From being a
shiny cherub to becoming what he hated the most. A human being. We don't hear about the book until God realises that Adam has lost it. He figures out
what happened and orders Leviathan the sea monster to retrieve it and give it back to and share it among the sons of Seth and the sons of Cain. This
was at the time of Enoch, great grandfather of Noah and according to tradition it was Enoch who brought about and taught his children to read and
write, and he was the first man to write a book. The original Spark of Heaven is lost forever, but it lives inside us.
If your story breaks very much from this story I wouldn't even bother reflecting on it.