PARA: What You Should Know About Lower Astrals, page 26

reply to post by antar

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I don't think Obama is one of "them" but he has to play ball for awhile or go the way of Kennedy. If anyone out there thinks that 'Bama can save us or condemn us, they're wrong, we are the one's who do that for ourselves. Likewise the current G20 move would be more of an indicator of NWO-ness then using wind power as that is just a good idea...

Here's a couple of interesting 'Bama quotes from his Audacity of Hope book:

In regards to politics from 90's to 2006:

In the back and forth between Clinton & Gingrich, and in the elections of 2000 and 2004, I sometimes felt as if I were watching the psychodrama of the Baby Boom generations- a tale rooted in the old grudges and revenge plots hatched on a handful of college campuses long ago-played out on the national stage.
(skull & bones anyone?!)

Here he's talking about the past administration & their style of politicking and law making:

And there is the absolute belief in the authority of majority will, or at least those who claim power in the name of the majority-a disdain for those institutional checks (the courts, the Constitution, the press, the Geneva Conventions, the rules of the Senate, or the traditions governing redistricting) that might slow our inexorable march toward the New Jerusalem.
(Zionists? )

If you read his story & point of view, it goes very much counter to the points that NWO players like to push. But apparently because he's President that automatically means he's one of "them" to many people not keeping in mind how many times we've heard echoed: US Presidents aren't told much about the black government.

I know this is not going to be a very unpopular opinion here, but sorry people, follow more then just Alex Jones and try looking beyond the obvious, it might get you somewhere. Now if he kept saying "clean coal" I'd be more inclined to believe he's completely on the take. I swear any time someone mentions that it makes me want to puke. Yeah let's go backwards human evolution, sounds liek a great idea for the future! So what are we susposed to do, go back to kerosene to save electricity too? They already did that lame-ass hair-brained Apollo space capsule to go to mars....maybe soon we'll be re-inventing the airplane too!

[edit on 3-4-2009 by Shakesbeer]

reply to post by Shakesbeer

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I like the light you are lighting:

"Obama is playing it cool or go the way of JFK." [paraphrased]

Yes, so kewl he even sticks his hand in the 'kitty' to make it look good, yes? Nevermind, I agree. I have said the same thing you state, and so have many others.

But let's look on the dark & light side of things: and while we're doing it, consider the presence of the 'lower astrals':

"The history of the planet Earth demonstrates one thing to us. It shows that those in power will test those who are not as powerful. They will use intolerable situations to see how much the less powerful will take before they wake up due to the pain it causes. One of the ways this is done in your Society is through creative lawmaking. It is the process to retain and usurp individual responsibility and place it under the dominion of Society. The more that the numbness has crept in through the enactment of elaborate and confusing distinctions, the more difficult it is to recover one's Freedom. They know that they had been successful in turning the human race into an unmanageable mass that knows its prescribed place in the safety of Society. The sooner the human race wakes up, the sooner the slavemasters must withdraw to reset their strategy. The slavemasters have been defeated many times, but it is a many headed beast. As soon as you chop one head off another attacks from your weak side. They have planned it this way ove rthe centuries of a passage of mythology that I have discussed with you and tried to elucidate for you. All myths have their basis in external reality."

("Scales of the Dragon," A.Dragon)

Antar - You are refering to perhaps the green as 'the Lifeforce,' and the two-way flow of force (good-bad)? We already see the precipitation of events matching forewarnings of possibilities, yes?

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein

reply to post by SS,Naga

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You can definitely see the exploitation of the "going green" concept for sure. Especially when you see these college-activist tools screaming about carbon emissions not realizing all that is is a way for "them" to tax your breathing.

Here's a exert from a recently published news story about Obama's sentiment towards the multi-million dollar bonus recieving bankers who many claim to be part of the NWO/Illuminati groups:

Arrayed around a long mahogany table in the White House state dining room last week, the CEOs of the most powerful financial institutions in the world offered several explanations for paying high salaries to their employees — and, by extension, to themselves.

“These are complicated companies,” one CEO said. Offered another: “We’re competing for talent on an international market.”

But President Barack Obama wasn’t in a mood to hear them out. He stopped the conversation and offered a blunt reminder of the public’s reaction to such explanations. “Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.”

“My administration,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”

The fresh details of the meeting — some never before revealed — come from an account provided to POLITICO by one of the participants. A second source inside the meeting confirmed the details, and two other sources familiar with the meeting offered additional information.

Full article here

[edit on 3-4-2009 by Shakesbeer]

Could you explain about the windmills, because at the time I thought this was kind of a energetic vortex that boosted their ability to enter into our dimension or world. And is this why there may be fields of wind energy being created, do you think rather than the dual core solar that I think we should go for with geothermal as back up? And would these fields of wind energy be strategically located do you think?

Also, I really am exploring all of Max Igan's videos right now, just feel he's right on task and is pointing the way strongly for us. This video, the last one in particular, talks about just how few are needed to be very positive and to raise our energy and create an enormous shift for this planet. Something like 8000 people in total, could do this, so I hope you take at this video, its very good:


Edit to add: Do you think that fields of wind power, windmills will be instrumental in opening the portal for the invasion thats talked about connected to 2012?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by mystiq]

Interesting experience. it does seem to read like a fictional tale but there are a lot of strange things out there. When I had an out of body experience I ended up in what I pretty much assume to be the lower astral planes. Scary and maddening because of the loss of time and ego. Why I am writing is that I encountered a cartoonish version of one of the creatures you describe, the giant. And I had the feeling they were the guards of the higher evil beings, they were trying to drag me to a conveyor belt in a strange factory ( I saw this visually ).

I didnt meet their bosses as such but I was picking up their thoughtwave or resonance, whatever you want to call it. They just sort of cackle away. They seemed to watch us as entertainment and to me, they didnt seem to have any particular goal other than to make out lives miserable.

Also the presence of chimera like hybrids is highly indicative of the lower astrals.

As for the first post which mentioned war with the other planes I think it would look something like this...

www.youtube.com...

Note the idea of mist and the paranormal, think about words like mystical. Think about how mist would be relative to fluctuations in the subatomic environment. Genie of the lamp (genie/djinn/demon/deamon)?

Get your Half-Life suits out guys. Its time for a hoedown.

Interesting experience. it does seem to read like a fictional tale but there are a lot of strange things out there. When I had an out of body experience I ended up in what I pretty much assume to be the lower astral planes. Scary and maddening because of the loss of time and ego. Why I am writing is that I encountered a cartoonish version of one of the creatures you describe, the giant. And I had the feeling they were the guards of the higher evil beings, they were trying to drag me to a conveyor belt in a strange factory ( I saw this visually ).

I didnt meet their bosses as such but I was picking up their thoughtwave or resonance, whatever you want to call it. They just sort of cackle away. They seemed to watch us as entertainment and to me, they didnt seem to have any particular goal other than to make out lives miserable.

Also the presence of chimera like hybrids is highly indicative of the lower astrals.

As for the first post which mentioned war with the other planes I think it would look something like this...

www.youtube.com...

Note the idea of mist and the paranormal, think about words like mystical. Think about how mist would be relative to fluctuations in the subatomic environment. Genie of the lamp (genie/djinn/demon/deamon)?

Get your Half-Life suits out guys. Its time for a hoedown.

Ok I just watched this video from UTube via a link on the ATS Forum, "THIS" is exactly what the lower astrals that are not fully developed look like. I have seen this type of being as they moved through the open portals prior to being fully formed into human being state.

This one is actually nicer looking and a bit more developed in the hind quarters than the ones I describe in the OP.

reply to post by antar

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What an interesting video! And those were my son's words. He said this looked like a golum, these lower dimensionals that are coming into our world. Antar what is the thing is meant from this? Are we truly meant to fight or stop them from coming or to shine our lights and love? Do you know whats meant in this, because I don't really know what it means or what to think?

[edit on 23-6-2009 by mystiq]

reply to post by antar

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Antar thank you for that video. It has put me in a strange state, I feel slightly shocked, I feel I am shaking and I dont know why, I feel confused and need to meditate on this new awarness you seem to have given me. The energy felt when these portals open I remember feels heavy and dark, Im not sure they are meant to come through but obviously they are.

reply to post by Cyberbian

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No I dont agree. They just want to come through, I think they just want to feel the love of this dimension, possibly antars knew he was never to fully come through, he knew his place was there but most desire to be, they desire to become a whole form, they desire true spirit, love and form and often to others it looks like over active wantings. Unfortunatly there is no quick and easy route to whole spiritual form and I believe they must only come through when they are ready. We are in unusual times and this is why some can come through prior to becoming complete. Most are still thought forms and elemental beings, their spirits are elementary as well as their bodies.

This is of course my opinion, but it is based on experiences and interactions. I am a little nervous about posting again in this thread and on ATS in general, energies are unlocked,created, released and often cause me issues. I dont fully understand this concept but it definatly happens.

reply to post by Mr Green

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You don't agree with what in particular?

I have said nothing about why they wish to come through, I have no idea.
I accept Antar's explaination on face value. It is outside my knowledge.

My understanding is that Antar was seduced into feeding and empowering them by the belief that it was her role to close the portal, in fact her story says that much.

She did not close the portal, therefore she has lost the battle so far. And in fact she has taken the role of their caretaker, their paramour, and their food. She trimmed back the barrier which contained them, in her role appointed by them as caretaker. A serious mistake when viewed from the symbolic level. Which I believe Antar no longer sees as symbolism or translation.

I have not added anything to the story here. I do see the events from a different perspective, you are free to disagree with my interpretation when viewed from that perspective. What perspective do you view it from then? A simple love story?

The only point I disagreed with is the identity of the lover. People often mistake lust for something else. It is the very nature of lust.

I laid out my reasoning in detail, you are free to agree or disagree. I see the precision of my interpretation, it satisfys me.

It is extremely easy to misenterpret the symbolism of analogy when you no longer see it as an analogous interpretation, but instead see it as a litteral reality.

I know the truth of my perspective, the world may be viewed from many angles, that does not make one right and another wrong. It is a matter of perspective.

So please if you are to disagree with me, do not simply say "No you are wrong." That is an empty and negative exchange, when I have put such effort into clear communications.

I must also add that I am both shocked and horrified that Antar is under the impression that she is some kind of spirit defender of the earth under the protection of a master. She is a spiritual rape victim.

She has described herself in the litteral role of the board used to serve an all you can eat orgasmic buffet to lower energies. Where was her protector and master?

Honestly, I am shocked and horrified by your degree of naievty. If your master supports this kind of independant action, then your master is a transdimensional pimp, and you are being sold out at a discount to the winos of the universe.





[edit on 24-6-2009 by Cyberbian]

reply to post by Cyberbian

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I appreciate your thoughts, sounds as if you yourself have some basis in experience.

What I came to discover about him was that beyond my physical attraction was a need to almost want to save him from his path. To some how take responsibility for his position as a vehicle of evil.

I also learned that the love I gave freely disapeared into a sort of black hole, that the love I felt had nothing to do with him, only me and my perception of what I needed love to be.

The more I poured into him the more he also craved it, but could not identify in the way it was intended.

When in the beginning I felt his love or what I considered love, it was nothing more than a reflection of my own loves possibility. It poured through him back at me, or that part which was not absorbed by the dark forces.

Like a tease it gave only enough to keep me alive and returning back to give.

There was , is another side to this story, one that I have not been able to truly define in words yet.

Recently I drove nearby the place where I knew that the portal exists, but could not knowing now what I know, and without innocence on my side, drive even close enough to see what had become of the place.

Something happened by my passing close, something that was an alarm going off in my very soul. It was like a herald to a darker vision of our shared future, a possession of mankind from the depths of misinterpretation, of demons being fetched to guard that which before was not there.

This is a dark time for humanity, and I can only hope that in my heart I can find the strength to fight when the time comes as it most certainly will.

The demons are aware, they have reached a point of enlightenment from the realms they have occupied for longer than man has walked the earth.

As we prepare to rise to our fullest potential, is it our responsibility to aid the lower astrals to their place in this world, this dimensional realm? Or do we do all we can to keep them at bay away from the innocents until we have made our full ascension?

Most people fortunately do not understand such matters, it concerns them not and falls under the guise of fantasy. For some of us here we are the warriors of light and choose this long before our births. That does not make it easy nor something we wish to do, it just is.

I am certain that there are those reading this right now who want to know if I will tell what I know, if I could define in simple language what would explain many things.

For now you are safe in the shadows of the past, present. Disclosure? Which one? Which side and from which vantage point.

I am blessed with compassion, or is it cursed?

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Cyberbian

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What I came to discover about him was that beyond my physical attraction was a need to almost want to save him from his path. To some how take responsibility for his position as a vehicle of evil.

I also learned that the love I gave freely disapeared into a sort of black hole, that the love I felt had nothing to do with him, only me and my perception of what I needed love to be.

The more I poured into him the more he also craved it, but could not identify in the way it was intended.

When in the beginning I felt his love or what I considered love, it was nothing more than a reflection of my own loves possibility. It poured through him back at me, or that part which was not absorbed by the dark forces.

You have put this much better than I, it came across as if I was disagreeing with Cyberian but what you have wrote is what I was trying to say. The fact that it was not lust on your part, it was love, your love was unconditional, endless and very giving his {the astral} interpretation of it unfortunatly was not able to see or feel this. You gave your love unconditionally to aid him in his path but it was never enough because it always gets absorbed in a bottemless vortex. Does this mean you were wrong to try? no I dont think so, love is love and as long as its intention is pure and full of love and light it will always do good. I have always said unconditional love is what works on all realms to aid in astral ascension but its just so much harder with the lower realms. They most probably dont see it for the light that it is, they will see it as energy and just take, take and take. Their world is far darker than ours, the energy of unconditinal love on their plane must be like a thousands Suns.

Recently I drove nearby the place where I knew that the portal exists, but could not knowing now what I know, and without innocence on my side, drive even close enough to see what had become of the place.

This is a problem. Once the innocence is gone is it still OK to exchange love or even connect in the full knowing that it probably whont help them? Im not sure. Then again this is the nature of pure love, to give.

The demons are aware, they have reached a point of enlightenment from the realms they have occupied for longer than man has walked the earth.

As we prepare to rise to our fullest potential, is it our responsibility to aid the lower astrals to their place in this world, this dimensional realm? Or do we do all we can to keep them at bay away from the innocents until we have made our full ascension?

I now have nothing to do with them, for me I tryed and its too dangerous. They are too manipulative,untrustworthy, and soul destroying for me. I know they are desperate to come through and most probably do need our help but I have no training what so ever (apart from a few methods Ive picked up from experienced members on here) and their realm is a dangerous territory for the untrained. I discern and quickly reject these entities now and only deal with those of a frequency I can spiritually resonate with.

I recently had the worst time of my life with the darkest lower astrals Ive ever come across and never ever want to repeat that episode again in my life.

I am blessed with compassion, or is it cursed?

It is what it is antar. Only you can decide.

reply to post by Cyberbian

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You are placing this within the norms of the percieved and it does not fit.

Not to dismiss your intelligent post, it does apply, just not in this instance.

Be well.

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