A poster child for the NRA!

But as we know... only criminals and boogie men kill people.


Still, a very sad occurence...

very sad, but like someone else said,not mentally stable,in which case its hard to deem this child morally corrupt.

29 year old father. 21 when he had the kid. I wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt like the lesser quality 'men' within that age range with a MySpace page full of photos of himself in wife-beater shirts posing with guns like they are a fashion accessory.

Thuggish idiot father with his thuggish idiot friend suffer the consequences of behaving like thuggish idiots in front of the child.

Just a theory but also a situation I've seen more than a few times.

The only thing that would cause to believe otherwise is that the firearm used was a .22 rifle. In my family the .22 would have been the 8 year olds first gun but in my family our pants all fit and we pride ourselves on not behaving like trailer/ghetto trash scum. If the father wasnt some thug idiot then I would suspect the kid is simply mental. Sort of like when Phil Hartmans wife killed him then committed suicide. I doubt an 8 year old boy would be suffering from postpartum though.

This goes out to chris matthews and sean hannity that think america is this great country, bull

This is the second time in two weeks that a child under the age of consent has had a serious issue with firearms. One killed and another involved in a killing, maybe! The facts of the case are not yet fully known but one thing is clear. To many youngsters are getting access to firearms without proper safe guards.

Zindo

An 8 year old in prison?

I find this story bizarre in every way!! How could it even be considered that an 8 year old actually planned and comiitted such a crime!

Even more, since when can an 8 y/o be put into prison?

Sounds to me like some parts of this story has been left out!

First thing that came to mind was a modern day/real life Micheal Myers.
Not excusing the kids actions,but poor kid,he must be all mixed up.
I wonder if he will recieve a life sentence,or if theres a chance he will be released later in life.

[edit on 8-11-2008 by Black_Fox]

you would be wise to seek the sparkly spot spoken of earlier. Within this spot lies a plot, within the plot lies the pot, within the pot lies.

I find it odd that the mom was there visiting when this went down. Coincidence? Perhaps she placed some idea in his mind that if Daddy was gone, he would live with Mommy? Strange that her son is now in custody and she went back to her home state, no?

I only just realised that that the gun was a

.22-caliber rifle

Can an 8 year old even grip one properly?

Yeah, it's certainly not beyond my imagination to see an 8 year old being angry enough to do something like this.

I had a 5 year old brandish a butchers knife at me once threatening to do me in. By the look in her eyes she meant it right then, and it only takes an angry moment.

I've seen the temper tantrums, they have no real understanding of consequences at that age, but the immediate rage to something thats seemingly nothing can be incredible.

Obviously this child was very comfortable with that firearm to load it and use it like that multiple times. That is the part I worry about.

heres my outlook on it, aliens are watching us. trying to tell us something, wether it is true or not. people do what they will, it is up to us to figure out what the truth is individually and deal with it on a personal level.

Originally posted by mls11.11
b. the parents were in a drug ring and police covered up anything questionable to continue business or

Your kidding right...so the PARENTS were in a drug ring and somehow we as law enforcement would cover that up?????? Makes ZERO sense...or you just another cop hater who talks stupid just to blame "others" instead of the people actually at fault!

Originally posted by mr-lizard
A poster child for the NRA!

But as we know... only criminals and boogie men kill people.

The NRA...so let me guess your a "guns kill people" kinda person...not understanding that MILLIONS of people own and operate guns of all sorts and have for hundreds of years AND been NRA members..and guess what..they didn't start killing people just because...you people seriously have no idea why this country is the way it is...and its NOT the NRA..lol..I'll give you two good reasons...EXCUSES..noone owns up, they always have a reason why..and oddly enough that reason is par with "i didn't do it", or better yet..there is that unpunishable reason why they did it...which many folks fall for...SAD! And of course IT'S THEIR FAULT NOT MINE...they made me do it, they they they...never I...we blame others for drug addiction and alcoholism in this country..when NOONE but you made the choice to go down that road...people seriously are borderline pathetic.

Originally posted by corvin77
I find this story bizarre in every way!! How could it even be considered that an 8 year old actually planned and comiitted such a crime!

Sounds to me like some parts of this story has been left out!

All crime isn't planned. It just happens...this isn't hollywood where they play a plot out for you or all criminals come up with game plans for us as law enforcement to figure out. I doubt anything was left out...its pretty hard to get all the facts when your dealing with a child and obviously a screwed up household. This whole cover up vibe from some is stupid...having worked crimes like this I speak from EXPERIANCE..not just assumptions.



[edit on 11/8/2008 by rcwj75]

Originally posted by corvin77
I only just realised that that the gun was a

.22-caliber rifle

Can an 8 year old even grip one properly?

I have seen some good size 8 year olds...and yes you can get .22 rifles that are about a foot long...VERY easily held and operated by children.

There was a case years ago, where i think 2 kids stoned to death another kid in england. They got locked up, but i think they got released, not too sure about it.

But heck your country is fooked, that like the geezer said above is the second time in about 2 weeks, that a child was able to do something like this.

How can anyone at 8 years old be on trial for remeditated murder. How do you try someone mentally handicapped with an age of 8, thats what you should be asking. Do you try people that have a brain of a kid, in usa?

I think they left out many important factors from the article, which obviously must be kept out of the media till the case either goes to trial or is dropped or whatever they ultimately decide to do with it. It simply doesn't make any sense to me that an 8 year old child would have the capacity to pre-meditate murder. Playing with the gun when they shouldn't have been and accidentally killing someone, yes I can see that. But premeditated murder? Highly unlikely. It is a rare child indeed who has the mental capacity to premeditate anything, let alone murder.

Without knowing all the facts of the case it is hard to speculate as to what may have actually happened. I find it hard to believe that an 8 year old intentionally killed two grown men without either of them being able to stop him. If the kid didn't have so much as a disciplinary record at school I highly doubt he was on any type of medication. Typically kids who are on meds have at least a disciplinary record at school, since that is typically where it is decided that they need to be tested for whatever the school system thinks is wrong with them. This kid had never been in trouble for anything. He was still a baby.

We also can't forget that the cops in this instance questioned the child without having a parent or guardian present, something they had no right to do. The kid was most likely scared senseless having two cops question him and most likely would have admitted being Satan if that would get the cops to leave him alone.

Without knowing more, my best guess is that the kid didn't do it. One I would have believed as it could have been accidental. But two full grown men who were in separate parts of the house? And whoever was shot last didn't go see what had happened when the first was shot? Come on now. A grown up isn't quick enough to take out two people in separate parts of the house without one of them going to see what happened at the sound of gunshots, let alone a child being quick enough to do so.

i am not being a cop hater, i am stating that this case is inconclusive and foul play in any government is not an impossibility.