Good post but I don't think corruption is or should be, a requirement. However it would definitely make it easier, fighting fire with fire.
Even if Ron Paul did adopt corrupt methods he would still not have won. You need to be in the 'inner circle' to stand a chance.
It's all about who you know......
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[edit on 8/12/08 by vehemes terra eternus]
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Topic started on 8-11-2008 @ 07:45 AM by Areal51
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We are all sheeple because we never know for sure what a politician is going to do. We are always in the dark about something. And so we support them mostly on faith.
There was a time not too long ago, about a year and a half ago, when there were Ron Paul sheeple. And no one complained about that. Most people, of those who knew about the Ron Paul groundswell, thought it was admirable that his grassroots campaign was working well. This was well before Obama's grassroots campaign found momentum.
At that time, no one gave Obama a ghost of a chance. He was up against Hillary, Romney, Edwards, McCain, Giuliani, Kucinich, Paul and others. I have an email that a friend of mine sent me a year and a half ago, who did this very thing in support of Ron Paul.
Then the Obama campaign found its rhythm. The rest is history, as we all know. If Ron Paul were able to attract consistent attention from the media, were able to continue to attract supporters, voters representing all backgrounds, donors, and corporate donors, we might have had a different outcome for the presidential election. But Ron Paul failed to do that. We live in a capitalist society as well as a democratic republic, why wouldn't Ron Paul use the system to his advantage?
We know that those who make it to the White House as president are people who know how to get others to do things for them. Those that get put on the ballot for POTUS represent that capability. And more importantly, we want them to have that capability. The bottom line is that all of the candidates who represent drastically changing the landscape of American politics and US government are people who seem to lack the skills of gaining and maintaining the kind of support needed to be POTUS. It has always been a contest of acquisition and management of resources. The candidate whose campaign does that best always wins.
If the Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney's of the political world want to be POTUS, they have to allow themselves to be corrupted a little. They have to learn how to get people to do things for them in the system that we currently have, not the imaginary one they wish to be. The issues that they support have to allow them the chance to be POTUS. It's like firefighters whose lungs become corrupted with smoke and poisons they've breathed in from fighting blaze after blaze. Or like undercover narcotics officers whose minds and consciences become corrupted because they have to play bad guys for real in order to catch the real bad guys. The trick is not becoming corrupted past the point of no return.
If one wants to be POTUS, one has to play with the devils as well the angels. And sometimes the devils and angels are one in the same.
My point is that some folks need to face the reality about the job of POTUS. Allowing oneself to be corrupted in the course of one's efforts to do good is part of the job. Effective politicians use their power even while it corrupts them. Read any past president's biography and you will understand that they were all corrupted to some extent. But they sacrificed their honesty and integrity for our sake. POTUS is not an ordinary job where one comes home clean and with a clear conscience at the end of the day. No politician's job is. That's the reality for Bush, Obama, McCain, Paul, McKinney, and others. We sheeple should be scared of ourselves for consistently forgetting that reality.
We are all sheeple because we never know for sure what a politician is going to do. We are always in the dark about something. And so we support them mostly on faith.
There was a time not too long ago, about a year and a half ago, when there were Ron Paul sheeple. And no one complained about that. Most people, of those who knew about the Ron Paul groundswell, thought it was admirable that his grassroots campaign was working well. This was well before Obama's grassroots campaign found momentum.
At that time, no one gave Obama a ghost of a chance. He was up against Hillary, Romney, Edwards, McCain, Giuliani, Kucinich, Paul and others. I have an email that a friend of mine sent me a year and a half ago, who did this very thing in support of Ron Paul.
Then the Obama campaign found its rhythm. The rest is history, as we all know. If Ron Paul were able to attract consistent attention from the media, were able to continue to attract supporters, voters representing all backgrounds, donors, and corporate donors, we might have had a different outcome for the presidential election. But Ron Paul failed to do that. We live in a capitalist society as well as a democratic republic, why wouldn't Ron Paul use the system to his advantage?
We know that those who make it to the White House as president are people who know how to get others to do things for them. Those that get put on the ballot for POTUS represent that capability. And more importantly, we want them to have that capability. The bottom line is that all of the candidates who represent drastically changing the landscape of American politics and US government are people who seem to lack the skills of gaining and maintaining the kind of support needed to be POTUS. It has always been a contest of acquisition and management of resources. The candidate whose campaign does that best always wins.
If the Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney's of the political world want to be POTUS, they have to allow themselves to be corrupted a little. They have to learn how to get people to do things for them in the system that we currently have, not the imaginary one they wish to be. The issues that they support have to allow them the chance to be POTUS. It's like firefighters whose lungs become corrupted with smoke and poisons they've breathed in from fighting blaze after blaze. Or like undercover narcotics officers whose minds and consciences become corrupted because they have to play bad guys for real in order to catch the real bad guys. The trick is not becoming corrupted past the point of no return.
If one wants to be POTUS, one has to play with the devils as well the angels. And sometimes the devils and angels are one in the same.
My point is that some folks need to face the reality about the job of POTUS. Allowing oneself to be corrupted in the course of one's efforts to do good is part of the job. Effective politicians use their power even while it corrupts them. Read any past president's biography and you will understand that they were all corrupted to some extent. But they sacrificed their honesty and integrity for our sake. POTUS is not an ordinary job where one comes home clean and with a clear conscience at the end of the day. No politician's job is. That's the reality for Bush, Obama, McCain, Paul, McKinney, and others. We sheeple should be scared of ourselves for consistently forgetting that reality.
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