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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 10:10 AM by checkmate
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I love your signature. The truth does set the poor free.


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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 10:13 AM by dariousg
reply to post by Zenagain



Don't let it make you sick to be an American. You must also understand where we came from. Or, from under. We pulled out from under a very brutal (at times) reign by the English empire. Their views of conquer were very straight forward. No messing around. Then we have the mixture of cultures and countries that took place. The French, Germans, Dutch, Scotch Irish, Scottish, Irish, Spanish and so on. We weren't exactly on agreeable terms with each other before we decided to revolt.

You see, many of these atrocities are most likely true. But they were NOT perpetuated by the average American. They were pulled off by the ruling factions that continued to fight each other for more and more power. They were pulled off by the greedy SOBs that wanted to continue the feudal system here.

So, don't be sick to be an American. We are far removed from that (well, we have slid a bit under this current administration). The actions of the few (usually elitist power hungry A-Holes) have always harmed the many.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 10:32 AM by rikk7111
reply to post by hinky





I saw a couple of sad thing with all the referenced material. First and foremost, I received my education before many of the people here were born. I learned all these fact in grade school. Only in the modern era of US education have these facts been dumbed out of education and history books because kids today are being neglected by the education system. There are several reasons for this but that requires a different thread. Second issue, most of the articles are written in a style to cause reaction instead of learning. The author clearly has an agenda. At first, it looks anti-American, but times cited are before America was established, so it must be anti-European which means white. Raced based hatred is among the most noneducational rational used as it places blame on race instead of individuals or society structure of the time. Third, the author of the site left out "history" just as interesting but from a different perspective of the same events. I would venture it doesn't fit his agenda of placing blame, so these tidbits of knowledge were deliberately left out so the uneducated would not know there is more to be told. Just my opinion, but I'd get some decent reference history books and read a little bit from reputable sources if any of these articles cited pique your interest.


I think you have made a good assessment. I as well refute much of the claims here, due to the underlining agenda it seems to portray. Now don't get me wrong, I can read between the lines. I deem that we study ourselves to find the truth to this matter, though I am sure there is truth on both sides.................Just how much?


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 11:28 AM by panda319
reply to post by The Stand



Most people that believe "everything we believe" is a lie, believe it to entertain the idea. I believe that our government is corrupt and wouldn't hesitate to alter the history, but it brings up a contradictory point. Who is telling this counter-history? Will their government not slightly alter their history? Will they not receive some sort of skewed perspective on history? Of course they will. If you look at documents, and other sources for information, you can learn History. We wouldn't change history that much. There is no reason to. We may hide things that we did. I learned in history that the American Revolution was almost lost and the British were a lot more powerful than we were, we just got lucky with a few key battles. It is not like they told us, "Hey, we won every war in History flawlessly."

I agree with the fact that the accuracy of the information we are given may not be one-hundred per cent, but there is no reason for them to alter it that much.

Interesting topic, and you can entertain that idea if you would like, but it is somewhat hypocritical to just accept what they are telling you, the same way you have with what you already know.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 12:19 PM by TeslaandLyne
My signature and profile have my well used links to mostly uncovered knowledge.
One link from signature

Here is a good one:
16. The Antarctic "Ozone Hole", which U.S. government scientists pretend to be at a loss to explain-yet blaming it on 'aerosol sprays'-is probably the by-product of three nuclear missiles, armed with hydrogen bomb warheads, which were launched from the Antarctic by the U.S. military, on Aug.27, Aug.30, and Sept. 9, 1957. The warheads were detonated at a 300-mile altitude, to create a reflective spherical layer of ionic particles surrounding the earth, to bounce radar impulses between the layer and the earth. The Strategic Air Command's global "backscatter" radar system, operated from the North American Air Defense (NORAD) command center deep beneath the earth at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, thus became operational in 1957, in time to verify that the Russians fired the rocket which launched Sputnik.

Perhaps being in Air Force Intel, as Lyne was, one gets the best wild stories while the rest of us get the official word "nothing to see here folks".

ED:
From original post #1:
The voyage of the Mayflower was, in fact, financed by a group of London investors who were to receive sixty percent of the profits of the colony in its first six years.


From the same author as my page link above, his research, no
book yet, indicates Danes or Vikings going to Canada and Maine
and Egyptians and Sumerians settling in the south west.
For trade reasons.


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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 12:55 PM by hinky
Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

16. The Antarctic "Ozone Hole", which U.S. government scientists pretend to be at a loss to explain-yet blaming it on 'aerosol sprays'-is probably the by-product of three nuclear missiles, armed with hydrogen bomb warheads, which were launched from the Antarctic by the U.S. military, on Aug.27, Aug.30, and Sept. 9, 1957. The warheads were detonated at a 300-mile altitude, to create a reflective spherical layer of ionic particles surrounding the earth, to bounce radar impulses between the layer and the earth. The Strategic Air Command's global "backscatter" radar system, operated from the North American Air Defense (NORAD) command center deep beneath the earth at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, thus became operational in 1957, in time to verify that the Russians fired the rocket which launched Sputnik.


Perhaps being in Air Force Intel, as Lyne was, one gets the best wild stories while the rest of us get the official word "nothing to see here folks".



I'm happy you posted this quote.

It wasn't possible to go "deep beneath the earth" at Cheyenne Mountain until 1964. Excavation started in 1961.

As for NORAD finding out about Sputnik, I'd ask the ham radio operators around the world, alive at that time, who followed the satellite's trajectory. NORAD, which was formally established in 1958, had nothing to say about Sputnik.

As for the OTH-B radar, I don't believe it was developed until the early to mid 70's. I don't think we had this technology until then.

Your conclusion is dead on....


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 01:15 PM by warrenb
reply to post by hinky



I don't know where you get your info.

The Cheyenne Mountain complex traces its origins to 1956, when General Earle E. Partridge, commander of the Continental Air Defense Command, proposed construction of a new underground combat operations center to replace the outgrown and vulnerable above-ground facility at Ent Air Force Base, Colorado.


en.wikipedia.org...

actually OTH-B radar's were developed much earlier. China began development of HF ground wave OTH sensors in November 1967.

Source 1

Source 2



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