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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 07:28 AM by forliberty09
reply to post by warrenb



PURE PROPAGANDA - with vulgar language reading like it was written by a degenerate. In just one page on the American revo period (I didn't waste any more time after that) there were several completely made-up assertions (more than just "critical" left-wing interpretation).



reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 07:41 AM by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Originally posted by Nerevar
Good links. S&F!

More people need to read the other side of the coin. The problem is that history is written by the victors.

Therefore the truth quite often gets misconstrued. The most poignant point in the whole article is the fact that HARDLY ANYONE is aware of Britain's role in abolishing slavery WORLDWIDE. My forbears actively tried to stop the trade in humans be it through paying indirectly for the naval patrols off the coast of Africa or taking part in these patrols.

To this day, Britain is still accused of everything and anything to do with slavery but NEVER credited with being the first country in the world to abolished slavery and root out its benefactors.

Even the fact that Britain established treaties with the Indian nations of the Americas illustrates that we have always been (or at least tried to be) a tolerant and fair nation.

While i harbour no resentment towards our American descendants / cousins (quite literally cousins), i do feel that the representation of the actions of Britain during the "Revolution" were always distorted. Films such as The Patriot etc really anger me. The fact that they are blaming the "King of England" for unfair taxation smacks of ignorance...all laws in Britain were (and still are) passed through Parliament before reaching the King for his seal of approval.

More and more people should read this, obviously with a pinch of salt as it is considerably biased in its wording (bear in mind that slave trading in the Colonies was a legal trade up until the laws of England abolished it - so it cannot really be used as an insult) and you will be fine.



To be honest mate, I'm British and I couldn't disagree with you more. IMO, Britain has been THE driving force in nearly all of these matters and it's my belief that what we see in America, is a more 'transparent' form of manipulation that we here feel, and quite possibly, many other countries too. If only a fraction of what I believe is true, then I am ashamed to call myself British, I used to say it with pride, now, the thought of it disgusts me, now I'm a scouser!!

Just think for a second, Canada and Australia, both answer to Britain, China and India where 'released' from the Empire, when a 'stable' government was set up, we had a major part in constructing these governments.

George Bush is the Queen's second cousin and I was told the other day that Obama is George Bush's 11th cousin, I've looked for info on McCain, but so far, nada, but I'd bet my left testicle, he will be related to the Bush's in some way. This just screams to me of dynastic monarchs and I'd bet my other testicle that from America's conception, all presidents are all related! no mater how far removed!!

IMO, a 'ruling class' has never been gone, just changed their colours.

I haven't read any of the links atm, but I will be flagging thread, to keep track, will read them soon.

Thanks,

EMM

edit to add: Obama is Bush's cousin
www.nypost.com...

And another, apparently, it was Cheney's wife who discovered the connection, for her memoirs, Cheyney is also related to Bush and Obama.

rawstory.com...

Edit to add:


By Royal Proclamation, the British government stops the seizure of Indian lands by speculators from the Thirteen Colonies and establishes a frontier beyond which vast tracts of land are to be preserved in perpetuity where the Indian nations will be able to carry on their traditional way of life.



Ow, my brain hurts after that one. The Proclamation of 1763 wasn't to keep everything nice and happy with the Indians forever and ever. It served two purposes. First, it was a reward to the few Indian nations who sided with the British during the French and Indians(Seven Years) War. Secondly, the British government got all of French Canada from the war, and there was no logical way to govern it for the time being. Therefore, the line drew from the Proclamation was so to keep British colonists at bay until a way to govern it could be figured out.


Very interesting, I was reading about this a while ago, which basically said that this was brought into effect, to stop the expansion of the colony, before it got to big to be controlled. At the time, Britain wasn't prepared to police such a large land mass, so they tried to prevent expansion, to leave the colonies dependent on the Empire, needless to say, people didn't listen, so the war of Independence had to be started.

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reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 08:22 AM by FSBlueApocalypse
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By Royal Proclamation, the British government stops the seizure of Indian lands by speculators from the Thirteen Colonies and establishes a frontier beyond which vast tracts of land are to be preserved in perpetuity where the Indian nations will be able to carry on their traditional way of life.


Ow, my brain hurts after that one. The Proclamation of 1763 wasn't to keep everything nice and happy with the Indians forever and ever. It served two purposes. First, it was a reward to the few Indian nations who sided with the British during the French and Indians(Seven Years) War. Secondly, the British government got all of French Canada from the war, and there was no logical way to govern it for the time being. Therefore, the line drew from the Proclamation was so to keep British colonists at bay until a way to govern it could be figured out.

Of course the pioneers were going to look for more Indian land. More and more of them were moving into the colonies every year, and major money was to be had if they could get their hands on it.

Ben Franklin held two slaves, but by 1787 he was the President of the Abolitionist Society of America.


Other than this, by 1773 there was no taxation of the Thirteen Colonies at all by Britain, making the revolutionary propaganda slogan “no taxation without representation” something of a mystery.


This is bang head on keyboard worthy. That slogan found its origins in conveniently absent acts such as the Stamp Act of 1765.

I'll leave the misunderstandings of the Boston Massacre as just the BS that is American public schools.



These pivotal legal decisions would ultimately lead to the abolition of slavery in all British colonies and possessions throughout the world.


In name maybe, but in practice no. Go ask the Chinese, Indians, Africans, or anyone else subject to British rule. If the British were serious about this in the colonies, why did slavery continue afterward?

Yes, all of the colonies may have been slave holding at the time, but slavery was on its way out in the North. By the time the discussion of the Constitution came around, several Northern States had already abolished slavery.



Also missing from the fantasyland version of the American Revolution sold to the American public is the central fact that, in 1768, the British had entered into treaties with the American Indian nations, prohibiting further theft of their land by speculators


And you want me to bring up all the already broken land treaties the British had with the Indians? There was a reason almost all of the Indians sided with the French during the Seven Years War. But America proudly kept the tradition of ignoring treaties with the Indians.



In contrast, Britain, the evil colonial power, not only ultimately abolished slavery in its own possessions but fought slavery worldwide, maintaining costly naval blockades of the African coast year-round and pursuing slave ships on the high seas, freeing captured Africans.


Britain was the biggest importer of slaves to the United States while the slave trade was still open, until it's close in the 1810's.

The Boston Tea Party was another event that has been mis constructed. Yes, John Hancock was a smuggler. However, they also had been subject to other various acts imposed by Britain. The Tea Act was seen as another way for the British to impose their authority on the colonies.

The Paul Revere thing, is again, another sad fact of most US public high school history courses.

Yes we tried to invade Canada during the Revolution, it was an utter failure.



Washington ordered that "parties should be detached to lay waste all the Iroquois settlements around, with instructions to do it in the most effectual manner, that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed."


Maybe because you're in this thing called a war and you have to take care of your enemies. The Iroquois were the greatest Indian threat to America during the war.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 08:36 AM by checkmate
reply to post by Merriman Weir



Merriman hello again. Like i said once before us natives (savages) should of killed anyone that got of off a boat.
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