Conservatives, your race card has expired, page 2
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reply posted on 7-11-2008 @ 09:00 PM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by Mystery76

Actually, if you are a Christian(and I have no way of knowing by your post) it is your Christian duty to pray for your leaders, regardless of their religious beliefs.
I exhort therefore, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and givings of thanks, be made for all men: for kings and all who are in high places; that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:1-4.
Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God. Therefore he who resists the authority, withstands the ordinance of God; and those who withstand will receive to themselves judgment. For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Do you desire to have no fear of the authority? Do that which is good, and you will have praise from the same, for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn't bear the sword in vain; for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil. Therefore you need to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience' sake. For this reason you also pay taxes, for they are ministers of God's service, attending continually on this very thing. Romans 13:1-6
There are many more passages I could quote, but you get the idea.


reply posted on 7-11-2008 @ 09:40 PM by TheAgentNineteen
Originally posted by southern_Guardian
This is really getting out of hand... I mean seriously Id swear that every conservative is whining about being called racist merely because they didnt support Obama, what a load of BS Im hearing.

....Ofcourse there are some here using the excuse that the man was elected just because he was black....overwhelming support from the black and liberal communities of the Democratic party, no matter what color of the candidate....

Then there are those who will use the "his a terrorist loving, socialist, pan-african, foreign born muslim" excuse for not voting for the man then scream discrimmination from Barack Obama supporters, yet accusing anybody of pulling out the race card when they are rightfully called out for it.

Conservatives, your race card has expired. Its getting old... real old.



Obviously you have never personally experienced the "Race Card" in its purest, and most hideous of form. Where I grew up, in a VERY diverse area, you rarely ever heard anyone being labelled a "Racist", or a "Race Baiter", so I know it is not a common accusation. However, on the same note I will state that I have NEVER heard such accusations tossed around so frequently as during this "Decision 2008" season.

Every attack against Senator Obama was labelled "Racist", and those behind such critiques were labelled "Racists", even President Clinton, whom many used to consider the "First Black President". That in my mind was the worst summit of such label smearing, as President Clinton truly went out of his way to appease Black Americans during his career. In fact, President Clinton did more for Black America than Senator Obama.

As for the entire Socialist issue, what do you and many others not understand about the fact that Senator Obama IS a Socialist? Why does that escape your comprehension? He belonged to and was the candidate for a Socialist Political Party throughout the 1990's, he believes in Government enforced Redistributive Policies (Marxism), and he is pushing forth with a Policy to Nationalize Health Care, and Nationalize Education. THAT IS SOCIALISM. Stop denying it, for it is a FACT, not simply an opinionated debate based upon Philosophical Theory.

Also, so far as Senator Obama's skin color, it DID get him nearly the entire Black American vote. President Bush even managed between 15%-20% of the Black American vote, whereas Senator Obama ended up receiving around 95% or more, which presented Senator McCain with 5% of the Black vote or less. When I was observing the Polls during the Primaries last Winter, I noticed an enormously disproportionate amount of Black Voters in my Precinct. This was not due to the fact that "Blacks vote Democrat anyways", it was due to the fact that they began perceiving Senator Obama as "Black" at round that very time, and thus began blindly throwing their support behind him.

Also, during this entire Election Season, I began to notice MORE, and MORE Black folks beginning to pull the "Race Card" out like a DL at a DUI Checkpoint. From the aforementioned, you know that I have rarely heard such accusations actually tossed out in reality, at least by the Majority of Black folks. However, during this past year I began hearing it emanating from individuals who never even made mention of Race before. This not only had to do with the Presidential Race, it had to do with EVERYTHING. One lady I even know started crying racism over the Break Scheduling at her Office. She said "Why put down my Break in this schedule, at this time? Why am I the only Black One in this Break Period? You know what? I might sue for Racism". She was dead serious too, and of course she had to be reminded that less than Half-a-Dozen Black people even work there to begin with; so I wonder how she would feel if all Six of them were just lumped together into the same Time Frame? This was wildly odd however, as before this year she had NEVER blamed any issues on Racism, and I have known her for YEARS.

Oh yeah, BTW, stop calling people racist for using Obama's entire name, Barack Hussein Obama. It is HIS name, and you are allowed to speak it aloud with fear of reprisal. Not to mention that "Hussein" is an Islamic name, from the Grandson of Mohammad, and Islam is NOT a race, it is a Religion, so therefore it CANNOT be Racist.


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 02:18 AM by djpaec
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by southern_Guardian



Exit Poll Results
Vote by Race
Total Obama McCain Other/No Answer
White 43% 55% 2%
African-American 95% 4% 1%


I'm not saying that Obama was only elected because of his race, but the numbers do lend some credence to the idea that many people voted for him purely for racial reasons.


Democrats almost always get 90%+ of the vote. They remember presidents like LBJ that did something for them. Democrats have capitalized on this ever since. To think they'd just vote for any black candidate is ludicrous. It's the combination of Democrat and Obama himself.


reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 12:29 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

Every attack against Senator Obama was labelled "Racist", and those behind such critiques were labelled "Racists", even President Clinton, whom many used to consider the "First Black President".



That's not true. Only the ones which mentioned his race were considered racist. For example, when Geraldine Ferraro said "He's only winning cause he's Black". That was a racist comment. Why? Because there were many other black candidates prior to Obama, and they didn't even win a primary. So unless Geraldine was really that stupid (which I don't think she is), then she was attempting to bring his race into it, in hopes that her candidate (Hillary Clinton) would have a chance.


As for President Clinton, when Obama won South Carolina during the primaries, he stated "Well Jesse Jackson won SC and he lost". Pres Clinton was attempting to do two things

1. Make Race a factor
2. Marginalize the factor of the African American vote in SC as being some sort of bellweather for the nation.

He in essence said "Just because a black man wins in SC, doesn't mean he will win the primaries".


Now the smear attacks which claimed he was Muslim, well that's obviously racist. However not against African Americans, but against Arab Americans. The whole "Hussein/Terrorist/Osama er I mean Obama" Was an attempt to cast him not as a Black man, but as an Arabic Muslim. All of those attacks were at worst racist, at best, xenophobic.

Now the other attacks, such as the Birth Certificate thing, or the Flag pin thing, or the celebrity thing, these were not racist as much as just asinine.

Then we finally get to the attacks on his policy, which not many people actually looked at in detail, they simply labeled him as socialist. Well that really ticked off the socialist leaders who stood up and said "I don't think so!" Even though these attacks were once again trying to play on fear, it wasn't fear of another race but of something that most Americans don't even understand fully.


So no, not all attacks were labelled as racist, yet there were many that fell into that category.

The issue became though, that if you supported any of the stupid attacks like the Muslim, Terrorist, gonna eat your babies type of stuff, and couldn't articulate why it was better to give big companies tax breaks, then you were seen just as anti-obama, it left one to say "Why?".

You see the GOP did such a great job of gearing up their base with attacks, that they forgot to actually sell their brand. So when the McCain Sheeple couldn't come up with a better reason to vote for Obama or McCain for that matter, yeah it seemed that they were harboring some subconcious racism. But that doesn't make them racist. It just means that the GOP shot themselves in the foot by focusing more on what they didn't want, than on what they did want.



[edit on 9-11-2008 by HunkaHunka]


reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 07:49 AM by GamerGal
reply to post by Jenna


But look at the history. Black community always votes for the Democrats. Just like the gay community. Going by the Republican Theory(Not saying you, this next part is not in response to you) Barack Obama is a Gay Black Jewish Muslim Hispanic Woman. They say the majority of blacks only voted for him because he's black. But the majority of Jews, Muslims, women, so forth also did. So again Barack is a Gay Black Jewish Muslim Hispanic Woman.


reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 10:18 AM by Jenna
reply to post by GamerGal


Typically yes they do, but the increase over the percentage Kerry got in the last election does lend some credence to the theory that many voted for Obama purely, or at least due in part to, for racial reasons. I'm not saying that is the only reason any black person voted for him because I don't believe it was, just that the increase lends some credence to the theory.


reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 10:37 AM by Jenna
reply to post by djpaec


Only problem there is that you are picking and choosing which poll results to look at. You can't do that if you are trying to see the trends over the elections.

2008 Obama 95%
2004 Kerry 88%
2000 Gore 90%
1996 Clinton 84%
1992 Clinton 83%
1988 Dukakis 89%

Obama is the only one to get over 90% of the black vote and is the only one in the past 20 years aside from Gore to even reach 90%. When you look at all the numbers instead of picking and choosing it's kind of hard not to see the jump in percentages.

Sources:
Roper Center: How Groups Voted in 2004
Roper Center: How Groups Voted in 2000
Roper Center: How Groups voted in 1996
Roper Center: How Groups Voted in 1992
Roper Center: How Groups Voted in 1988

Edit to ask where you got 93% for Clinton... The results I'm looking at don't say that they say 84 and 83% for him.

[edit on 10-11-2008 by Jenna]



reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 11:04 AM by lee anoma
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by southern_Guardian


I wasn't saying that particular demographic doesn't usually vote democrat, I was pointing out that the numbers this time around are larger than normal.

And I'm not a conservative.


Conservative or not you are wrong.
As pointed out:

United States presidential election, 2004
Voter demographics

The following data is based on exit polls:
By Race:
Black: Kerry 88% Bush 11%
Wikipedia


United States presidential election, 2000
Voter demographics

The following data is based on exit polls:
By Race:
Black: Gore 90% Bush 9%
CNN

So this election Democrats got 7% more of the black vote than last election and 5%more than in 2000.

Overwhelming numbers aren't they?

First you claim by the numbers that Blacks overhwelmingly supported Obama, and then when you are confronted with other numbers showing how many Blacks routinely vote democrat you move the goal post and claim that Obama though, is the only one to get "over" 90%.

You want to quibble over that small percentage increase as proof of racial bias?
It isn't even a full 10%.

I think you need more evidence than that to make such a claim.

The OP is right there is not only a lot of whining and race-baiting from a group that hates it when people play victim, but also apparent memory loss at the fact that Blacks always overwhelmingly vote democrat. Lets not forget when the Congressional Black Caucus formally challenged the results of the 2000 election in congress. They actually fought congress for their white democratic candidate.

I personally think a majority of the "Blacks attacked me when I said I didn't vote for Obama" threads are either absolute lies, or exaggeration in order to get the racial tempers flaring.

Some conservatives need to follow their own advice and stop playing the victim/race card.

- Lee

EDIT: Spelling


[edit on 10-11-2008 by lee anoma]


reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 11:11 AM by lee anoma
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by djpaec

2000 Gore 90%
1996 Clinton 84%


Pulling out this section of your post you can see right there that this is a 6% increase as oppose to a 7% this year.

What exactly do you consider larger than normal?

The numbers always fluctuate, this is no surprise.

- Lee


reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 11:15 AM by Jenna
reply to post by lee anoma


And you apparently missed this post which oddly enough is the very last post before yours. And yes 7% is a considerable increase considering the only other democratic to see an increase, or decrease for that matter, of more than 1 or 2% in the black vote was Gore in the last 20 years. The percentage voting democrat in the last 20 years has held relatively steady with Gore and Obama being the exceptions.

And again, I did not claim anywhere that race was the only reason he received the percentage of black votes that he did. Was it a factor? Yes I'm sure it was. Was it the only reason? I don't think so.


reply posted on 10-11-2008 @ 11:22 AM by SailorinAZ
reply to post by southern_Guardian


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