Conservatives, your race card has expired

This is really getting out of hand... I mean seriously Id swear that every conservative is whining about being called racist merely because they didnt support Obama, what a load of BS Im hearing.

Theres no denying that there are those Obama supporters who acted in such an uncompromising manner as to label every non-Obama supporter a racist, but this can be same to said that there are those McCain supporters who have racist feelings and those who label every Obama supporter as messiah loving sheep. There are negative groups in every political base, those who will keep on making generalizations. But theres this trend going on among some, in particular among those on the middle right of the political spectrum... those who cry foul of their own discrimmination in every damn thread.. in my opinion its an overused card being played by conservatives and its not really doing good in covering the reality of the loss to your party.

There was a time when a black man could use race as in excuse for most things, and by then when it became overkill the reply was "here we go again.... pulling out the race card".. I think its high time we do the same to the disgruntled conservatives here. I mean honestly now its obvious that there are those members who a lying about being discrimminated towards. I myself am yet to see one single Obama supporter accuse every non-Obama supporter as a racist, thats not to say I dont believe it, I know its true for some cases, just like that of mccain supporters, but its obvious that there are those members grossly overexaggerating this fact to get their point across.

Ofcourse there are some here using the excuse that the man was elected just because he was black, neglecting the last 8years of rightwinger parisan crap of "your with us or against us", ignoring the reality of the support any democrat was going to get come election day, neglecting the years of overwhelming support from the black and liberal communities of the Democratic party, no matter what color of the candidate, ignoring the other choices that merely alienated the conservative base further.

Then there are those who will use the "his a terrorist loving, socialist, pan-african, foreign born muslim" excuse for not voting for the man then scream discrimmination from Barack Obama supporters, yet accusing anybody of pulling out the race card when they are rightfully called out for it.

Conservatives, your race card has expired. Its getting old... real old.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by southern_Guardian]

Amazing isn't it, just how ignorant people can and will be. Why is it sooo hard for some to accept a black man got into office? I have heard this one too many times. And oh heavens beware of the religion thing. I heard that throughout the campaigning pleading with people of why they should not vote for Obama. Being told it is my Christian duty to support the right party. I believe there is a big reason for separation of church and state. His religion beliefs are no concern of mine, as long as he is not imposing them on to me. There have just been so many things being said about this man. It drives me insane and to be frank, cracks me up. So thanks for the laugh to those who choose to continue the nonsense.

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I'm not saying that Obama was only elected because of his race, but the numbers do lend some credence to the idea that many people voted for him purely for racial reasons.

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Well thats nice, why dont you look to the past presidential elections and look to who blacks almost always voted for overwhelmingly.... the democrats. I think the question here is why have blacks always overwhelmingly supported the Democratic party?

In addition after the last 8years, especially following Katrina and the very fact that minority of this nation have suffered the most through this economic crises and this war, go figure why the have been overwhelmingly supporting Obama. The same could be said for ANY democratic candidate.

Come on... honestly now... the race card coming from conservatives aint an excuse anymore.

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I wasn't saying that particular demographic doesn't usually vote democrat, I was pointing out that the numbers this time around are larger than normal.

And I'm not a conservative.

The race card? Obama held every card in that deck, and played all 52 of them.

What about the liberal card...the socialist card...the redistribution of wealth card?

I will never root against America unlike some Democrats did the last 8 years. Anything bad for America was good for them, and vice-versa. Remember the glee in reporting milestone troop deaths, remember urging defeat in Iraq? Remember cheering over Hugo Chavez's calling Bush "El-Diablo, and fawning over Ackiminajihad when he made his UN appearances?

I got to stop now or I am sure I will write something out of anger...hope everyone gets my point.

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Not that I am an Obama supporter, but historically African Americans tend to overwhelmingly vote Democratic. That should not be a shock. I would also not be surprised if the total turnout of African Americans was higher this year than in any other year. They have reason to be proud of having Obama as a candidate and now President Elect, again I would have expected a larger turnout.

When the first Latino Presidential Candidate comes around, I would expect similar things from his or her Base as well.

Obama has a long way to go to quell my doubts about him. His first appointments don't make me feel any better either. His first 2 years will be the test of the Man, let's see if he can live up to his own hype.


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Oh it wouldnt matter, but I think my point is clear. After the last 8years, taking into account the historic nature, it aint too surprising the overwhelming black support the democrat candidate got. Infact im pritty darn sure had it been hillary the percentage points would have been around 4%-5% less.

Spare me. This race card from conservatives and those who never supported the man, it aint adding up.

Please list them.. I think Iv heard of most of them.. including this accusation that his playing the race card when he accuses the republicans of trying to play him out as some outside because of his middle name, which is the reality of the rightwingers have been pulling out.



Yes the card where the top 1% dont get the largest tax cuts the rest of the hard working folks get less. That sure as hell was going to solve the issue, nevermind it been used the last 8years.

If you call lowering taxes for 95% of the populous redistribution of wealth, then you sure enjoy generalizing in everything that aint rightwing slanted.



Here we go again... the "us them" mentality that has only served to divide this nation. So supposedly inorder to love this country we should love everything our government does? This is the sort of twisted logic that aint done us good over these last 8years, this is an exact example as to why this use of the race-sexist card by the right is so hypocritical.

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Please list for me any instances of where conservatives have played the race card.

You are attempting to incite a racial argument here where there is none.

You talk about the "us vs them" mentality yet that is exactly what you are attempting to do.

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Again, I wasn't saying that the only reason he was elected was race. I wasn't saying that blacks don't typically vote democrat. I was pointing out that the numbers show a higher percentage voting democrat this year. Numbers don't lie. Yes his election was a historic moment for our country, regardless of who I or anyone else voted for that in itself needs to be recognized. And yes, he will be the president come inauguration day. I really hope he lives up to all the hype. I really do.

But there have been many an Obama supporter on here claiming that anyone who criticizes him or the policies he has promoted is a racist. So that leads me to question who is really playing the race card.

Why don't we all just remove the race card from the deck? The "race card," by the way, is the insertion of race as an issue where it is not really relevant to an arrgument.

It should not, however, be verboten to discuss race where it is a real part of the issue being discussed.

Didn't 95% of the Black vote go to Obama during the primary?

Obama vs. Clinton

Since they are both dems. I am thinking race may have played a role. And because no conservatives are involved. I am thinking that race "card" was a liberal one.

The most complaints I have seen from repubs have been about the issues, policies, and the lack of background info/investigation by the media about Obama. nothing about his "race"

But I am not even American so what do I know.

What about accusing the man of being arab?
wrongfully accusing the man of being muslim against his choice?? because of his middle name he should labelled something his not??
How about going on about him not being american born with nothing to back up for it?
How about labelling every black person a racism because they support Obama?
How about labelling every white person guily merely because they support Obama?
How about calling all Obama supports mentally derranged because they choose not to go for mccain?

Please, the race card is plain for all to see.



And hows that? following the win of Barack obama the majority of the threads I see here come from disgruntled rightwingers claiming their being discrimminated against because they dont support Obama, stating how this win was just the result of black bias and white guilt and Im the one inciting racial arguement here?

Good of yall to gather the crew here to jump in, but the current threads going on in here are obvious enough.



Right, we have a wave a threads about Obama supporters doing this and that, then we have a comment from your buddy here calling all liberals anti-american, I bring it up and all of sudden I have this mentality? For bringing this up?

I find it real hypocritical hearing this from you of all people jsobecky.



[edit on 7-11-2008 by southern_Guardian]

Wow. I have to say I have heard the "black" card pulled by Obama himself and his supporter WAY more then "conservatives".

In fact, I see it here over and over. I hear it on the news over and over.

It is practiacally RUBBED IN OUR FACE that he is BLACK.

NO duh!!! I can see. Stop talking about it. It should not matter....but aparently it does since its the supporters bringing it up the most.

Im actually SICK of any race card being pulled anywhere: scholarships, polls, forms, elections, etc etc.


Judge the man on his past, present and future. Not his color. He needs to stop talking about his color too.

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exactly, why dont we? Im having to confront folks round here bringing up this "black bias white guilt" everytime a thread is posted and we have the "its not me its you" attitude.

This has to involve race when its come to discussing the elections, it can never be about anything else.

anyway as said, the race card from the conservatives has expired.

If this is the way conservatives choose to cope with the sweeping loss the republicans experienced over the week, well thats a shame. As america moves forward, there are those who leave themselves behind.

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Neither arab nor muslim is a race. One is an ethnicity, the other is a religion.



A valid question that he never answered. But the same question was asked of McCain. Anyway, it is is no way racial.



You cannot make a statement like that without backing it up. You have failed to do so.




Because they feel that *any* criticism of Obama is painted as racial. Just as you are doing.



However, I do not find it surprising that you are trying to start a racial argument where there is none, southern_Guardian.

damn straight it aint, but some folks dont seem to see it that way.



Since when did anything racial have to be direct these days?



You cannot accuse every obama supporter of playing the race card without backing it up.

You cannot generalize every black and white person of voting for Obama because of racial reasons. That relates to the original post, thats the point iv been making.

And yes I think its a stretch for you to deny of any racism incited by members here regarding Obama, notebly threads like

"all blacks will riot if Obama does win"
95% of the blacks who voted for Obama are racist"
"Obama has an arab accent and was born to a muslim family making him muslim"
"reasons not to vote Obama, blacks want to exterminate whites"



right, and where exactly did I accuse all mccain supporters of being racist jso? Are we playing the "I know you are but what am I" game or somthing?



Any discussion with you folks cannot go on without racism or the race card injected into it, and thats the trends im seeing and talking about jso. If dont want to discuss it, then you folks shouldnt have to bring it up in every thread yall post.



[edit on 7-11-2008 by southern_Guardian]

I think it is quite fair to say that BOTH sides have used the race card - and it should NEVER be used. Obviously not EVERYONE on both sides is guilty. But just like with any other debatable topic, both sides can present enough evidence to support their side.