Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
Nuclear weapons, but when another country starts to develop one it's suddently "unecceptable "?
I'm an American and I thing this is BS. Let he who is without nuclear weapons cast the first stone!

The USA are not developing nuclear weapons.
They already developed them long ago.
The current ideology of the majority of the world is to REDUCE nuclear arms not make more and have more country's developing them.
The US and Russia already have there stockpiles and many of them are slowly being deactivated.
The fact is full scale global nuclear war will kill every single living thing on this planet therefore it is completely useless for anyone to engage in.
We need to be reducing nuclear weapons, for all, not be having third world country's trying to develop more of them.
How dare you threaten the destruction of the whole planet, with your mindless rhetoric of "he who is without nuclear weapons cast the first stone".
You should be ashamed of yourself.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]


thats bull# those innocent civilians are the same ones who will shoot you in the back. they are the innocent civilains who strap bombs on themselves. there are no innocents in a war

They are the same innocent civilians that have American terrorists on their soil. They are the same people that stand up to a bullying nation who have troops in every far flung area of the world for the sake of greed, or at the whim of their so called leaders.

I ask all Americans one very simple, yes or no question... but no one ever answers it in these type of debates.

If any other country was to set foot on your soil and not leave, as you did in Iraq. Would you fight them or not?

respects

Originally posted by N. Tesla
babies grow to be terrorist. but thats besides the point.

And American babies can grow up to be evil corporate elitists, child molesters, or even serial killers. We should nuke ourselves to prevent this from happening. Can I get a raise of hands for this?

the point is that we need to protect our own. our own people. our brothers our sisters our parents.

I agree protecting our own Nation's People is a priority. Just not at the expense of massive innocent life. What values and ideals are we exactly protecting that that point...

we shouldnt care about the people who have the ability to do harm to us.

Everybody has the ability to do harm. No person or Nation is an exception to this.

why should we care about countries or people in the countries that clearly dont like us or our views.

OR? Hopefully the WMDs are as selective and can target those specific people

BTW can you list these countries?

[edit on 7-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Originally posted by N. Tesla

people like me bring it to ruin? funny i always thought it would be people like you who lay down their hands afraid to hurt someone else while their own country is destroyed.

I never said I'd lay my hands down while my country is attacked. I believe we have to go there and stop those who attacked. But I unlike you, think of the bigger picture, and the future of my children, and their children.
All I'm saying is that we have to change this mentality because fighting like we are now is just temporary. In order to stop people from wanting to hurt us in a global level we need to stop stepping on so many toes. We are not the world police. Fighting wars ain't gonna stop the pposite side from not liking us.

Originally posted by Zaphod58

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Perhaps so, but that outcome is purely speculative.

No, it really isn't. The Japanese themselves wrote about their preparations to fight against the American invaders. They showed US troops training centers, and showed them the women using any weapon they could get fighting dummies and their preparations. They proved that they were ready to fight if necessary, but the Emperor told them to surrender and his word was law.

Yes, it really is

Wrote about it? Showed women defense training?

American civilians also show and talk about how they are willing and able to defend themselves against the US Military under Martial Law, or that they will resist a gun confiscation.

It doesn't matter how they trained. Or how much conviction they had. The outcome is speculation at best. There is way too many variables to conclude they would have fought to the bitter end, barre none. Especially if we are to base it purely on what you just described.

And I am even familiar with Samurai Code mentality

Originally posted by Redneck from Hell

Originally posted by N. Tesla

people like me bring it to ruin? funny i always thought it would be people like you who lay down their hands afraid to hurt someone else while their own country is destroyed.

I never said I'd lay my hands down while my country is attacked. I believe we have to go there and stop those who attacked. But I unlike you, think of the bigger picture, and the future of my children, and their children.
All I'm saying is that we have to change this mentality because fighting like we are now is just temporary. In order to stop people from wanting to hurt us in a global level we need to stop stepping on so many toes. We are not the world police. Fighting wars ain't gonna stop the pposite side from not liking us.
Here's a thought, like you said babies grow up to be terrorists, and the US grow up to be one of the most hated country in the world, especially in the Middle East for no reason, just like the " babies " as you said.

Originally posted by N. Tesla

WMD's being more selective is an oxymoron

Um yeah, that was my point

Guess I was too subtle.

and as for the countries that pose a threat to America are China, Russia, Iran, North Korea. there are others but these are the major ones.

Woa time out. Pose a threat? That's not what you just said nor what I was responding to. You said entire countries that don't like us. So again, can you list them?

let me ask you a question. would america be as powerful today if it didnt develop and use the nuke before anyone else?

Maybe not. Maybe outside forces would have invaded conquered. Maybe. But it was not the nukes that directly gave us our power, it was our economy.

Personally I would rather our World be united under one Nation, under a common good, common ideals, for a common purpose. So I am not some die hard loyalist to the idea of America being this separate World Power.

Amazing, just utterly amazing. Ermmm to all you " jocks" spouting bravado while " being out of range" , a small bit of information,
Nukes = no more America, no more we are better than you, no more better we get them first attitude. WE ARE ALL GONE !

God, the quicker we get ww3 over with so we can start again the better.
N.Tesla, you genuinly scare me.

respects