posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 07:21 AM
ok well, firstly yes i do mean self reference and to elaborate on what it means here we go-
self reference like you deduced is referring to something with the reference point of your self. Eg- to decide whether killing people and sucking
blood from their neck with fangs is bad, you generally tend to refer to how that would feel to yourself, should that happen. Hence you come to the
conclusion that this is bad. However, were you to be a vampire, you would most likely think of someone elses blood, (lets say vampires need to suck
blood to live hypothetically) and so as this is necessary to keep you alive you would think of this either as good, or if you were to be an open
minded vampire and could see that if another chose to bite your neck, you could deduce biting necks and sucking blood at least has positive and
Make sense? So to put this in real terms, we are judging what is good and bad with reference to OUR OWN BELIEFS. Now, some of these beliefs are
ENTIRELY CHOSEN AND IN SOME CASES UNNESSARY EMOTIONAL CONTROL FACTORS. Next example, for those of you familiar with sport, and chosing a team. Those
who support a certain basket ball team, lets say the bulls, who happen to play really badly and lose every game in the season, say that this is really
bad, and if they are avid supporters, this will affect there mood and even outlook on reality/perceptions to some extent. If one looks to football in
europe, thats soccer for you americans, then if man u win all the time and beat arsenal in every game, the man u supporters would be elated and happy,
should they lose they may be frustrated and like a percentage of firm violent hooligan drunk reprobates, choose to go and attack small and helpless
dogs, or even the opposing team. Now let us zoom out, all of these actions, from complaining about your teams loss, to jumping and cheering about the
others win, is ENTIRELY FICTIONAL.
So all of these events merely happen, because of the in my opinion unwise decision to support a team. But this is free choice. Self reference is like
i say, about chosing sides. Now upon coming to terms with the shadow self and not hiding from the hidden parts of your personality you will realise
that you can be on every side, but to play the game, you should chose a side, to get more envolved. HOWEVER, should the game get more serious, you
should be able to zoom out and certainly to play with love, you must be able to acknowledge and accept the negative AND positive traits of your
opposition WITHIN YOURSELF. Lets say quietly recognize.
I would like you to understand whether your side is fictional, ulitmately all should be, but do you play with love, etc etc.
when you connect with the oneness and interconnectivity of the cosmos and the eternal creation, and for those of you who believe in god and satan, do
you realise or did you think that ofcourse the creater, created everything, hence the one created so called evil?
If you are scared of a murderer you are scared of yourself. this doesnt mean murder or kill, far from it, it should imply acceptance of the darker
sides to your self, slhadow side in most people, as they chose to ignore this part and act so horrified when they see an army member kill someone
close range or a guy stab a person in a park.
self reference is the referal of something to yourself, your thoughts and beliefs, i think perhaps it could be defined more as ego reference, but i
only say this as most people live through the ego in this day and age.
[edit on 8-11-2008 by predisposed]