A New Angle on the JFK Assassination

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:59 PM
For the past several weeks my research into the globalization movement took a strange left turn, and shed light on some rather odd connections to the JFK assassination I hadn’t considered before.

Jim Garrison’s investigation lead him from Oswald’s connections to anti-Castro groups to a former CIA agent by the name of Clay Shaw, who was funding the intelligence agency financed movement through his World Trade Mart. Shaw was a member of the board of directors of a shadowy corporation called “Permindex”, which had also been implicated in the assassination attempt of Charles de Gaulle. When Garrison subpoenaed Shaw, the first person Shaw called was one Fred Lee Crisman, a former OSS agent and self proclaimed “disruptor agent.” One of Crisman’s close friends was Michael Riconosciuto, an employee of Wackenhut who would later become the informant of the deceased journalist Danny Casalaro, who was investigating a conspiratorial group known as the “Octopus”, which he said was “spawned in the era of the Cold War”. Wackenhut today does work for Halliburton in Iraq, and Halliburton was named as a principal financer of Permindex. Furthermore, a research who investigated Casalaro’s claims after he died traced the “Octopus”, which Wackenhut is a part of, to a board of directors of a corporation called FIDCO. The vice president of this company was Robert Maheau, a CIA/FBI agent who acted a go between the Hughes Corporation and the Mafia in funding the CIA-based anti-Castro movement, of which Oswald can be tied to. Another FIDCO director was Clint Murchinson, who had notable anti-Kennedy sentiments, was connected to twas a close friend of J. Edgar Hoover, and was a financer of the American Nazi Party. In Oswald’s address book was the phone number of the American Nazi Party. So given the ties to Wackenhut, Crisman’s phone call to Shaw would make sense, since they seem to run in the same gray area of collusion between Big Business, Organized, and the US government and its intelligence agencies.

But there is a strange twist in the Crisman Story. Crisman was a witness in the little known “Maury Island UFO incident”, in which a “UFO” appeared and dumped wreckage over the sea surrounding Maury Island, in Puget Sound. As the story goes, a day after the initial sighting, he went to the beach and gathered the wreckage, while witnessing a “donut shaped object” dart behind a cloud. He then sent the wreckage to an unknown intelligence agency. Today, the Maury Island UFO incident is generally considered a hoax, and if that is what it is indeed, then Crisman is a primary instigator of it.

I then discovered that Crisman isn’t the only person connected to have connections to UFO hoaxes. According to a FOIA document, on August 13th, 1947 (same year as Roswell and Maury Island), a “pie shaped” UFO appeared to a man and his son in Twin Falls, Idaho. Despite an “exhaust trail”, a roaring sound, and other witnesses, the FBI declared that it was a “rapidly traveling atmospheric eddy.” The FBI agent running the investigation was a man by the name of Guy Banister, who in New Orleans who become a primary figure in the anti-Castro movement, and was a friend of Clay Shaw, not to mention a friend of David Ferrie, who was in the Civil Air Patrol with Lee Harvey Oswald.

So we have two people connected to the nexus that led directly to the JFK assassination conspiracy involved in UFOs. Is this coincidental? I don’t think so. I think the answer lays in the OSS’ Operation Paperclip.

Digging into Crisman’s past I discovered that he was involved in Operation Paperclip, which had been initiated in 1945 as an attempt to bring Nazi scientists to America. This was just two years prior to the start of the UFO waves in 1947. The reasoning behind this, I believe, is due to “Die Glocke”, or “The Bell”, a little known Nazi scientist project.

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:00 PM

A Polish writer named Igor Witkowski used to testimony of SS Officer Jakob Sporrenberg, who told of the Nazi project known as the “Bell”. “The Bell” was the product of the Nazi scientist’s goal to achieve vertical lift-off, and was designed in the shape of a saucer with a large top, giving it the look of a bell. The Bell was allegedly using Nazi research into anti-gravity, and it caused illness, mutation, and death in those around it. Whether or not the project was a success is of debate, but there is a certain possibility that the technology made its way to America via Paperclip, due to the sudden influx of UFOs in 1947. And the American government was there, using people such as Guy Banister and Crisman to spread disinformation and ‘debunk’ the incidents.

I started digging deeper and found more connections between Operation Paperclip and the JFK assassination, but first we have to ask our selves: who was Lee Harvey Oswald?

The version of history spelled out in the Warren Commission Report is that Oswald was a Marine marksmen (despite the fact he was ridiculed for his poor abilities with a rifle) with a strong vocal support for Marxism. He defected to the Soviet Union, married a young woman named Marina Prusokova, returned to America, got a job at a book depository in Dallas, and shot and killed President John F. Kennedy and DPD officer J.D. Tippit.

The story of Oswald becomes quite strange (more strange than it already is) when one takes a closer look at his military career. Despite being a poor marksmen and an open communist, Oswald was given radar training and was stationed at the Atsugi Air base in Japan, the home of the secret U2 surveillance mission in Russia. He was then ‘court marshalled’ but was then let back into the military. He was given a Russian language test by the Marines, and then defected to the Soviet Union, making the threat of giving the Soviets American military secrets. Despite the KGB suspecting that he was a spy, he was given a rent-free apartment and a job at a Radio and TV factory. He dated government officials and informants, before finally marrying Marina Prusokova, a young girl who lived with her uncle, a top official in the MVD (basically the Soviet FBI). Then, despite his open declaration of Communism, his defection, his marriage to the niece of a Soviet official, and his threat of giving away American secrets, he was allowed to return to the States with extreme ease. Even more bizarre, Senator John Tower, an ardent anti-Communist, passed all the waivers allowing Oswald and his wife to come to America. John Tower was a member of the Young Americans for Freedom, founded by William Buckley (friend of E. Howard Hunt, the CIA agent and anti-Communist who was involved in Watergate, also implicated by his son as being involved in the JFK assassination). Buckley’s family owned Pantepec Oil, an employee of which was Georges de Mohrenschidt. This somewhat tedious connection between Tower and Mohrenschidt may shed some light on what follows next.

Mohrenschidt, who was a close friend of the aforementioned Clint Murchinson, was a fascist whose wife identified him as being a Nazi spy in America. He took the young Oswald couple under his wing, and introduced to him to a whole network of people that would become his friends – despite the fact these friends consisted of many anti-Communists, and even neo-Nazis. Strange friends for a couple of Communists to have, unless Lee Harvey Oswald was an intelligence agent. Mohrenschidt was also affiliated with the Howard Hughes organization, a member of which was Robert Maheu, who used it to fund the anti-Castro movement. Another friend was William Grace, the founder of W.R. Grace. Grace’s son, J. Peter Grace, was a member of the 1001 Club, and worked closely with Nazi spymaster Reinhard Gehlen. Gehlen was one of the leading people in Operation Paperclip, but also devised the Stay-Behind units used by NATO in Operation Gladio.

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:02 PM

Furthermore, I discovered that there is a significant overlap between members of the 1001 Club and Permindex. Mohrenschidt had another connection to Gehlen: his cousin, Baron Constantine Maydell, was a high ranking member of the Abwehr under Reinhard Gehlen. Mohrenschidt was also a member of Prescott Bush’s Humble Oil company. Before and during the second World War, Prescott Bush was involved with the German chemical giant I.G. Farben, which manufactured Zyklon B (interestingly, another employee of Farben’s intelligence arm, NW7, Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, founded the 1001 Club, and also the Bilderberg Conferences). Other members of I.G. Farben include Frederick Flick, who was connected to Paperclip, and whose son was a friend of the above-mentioned J. Peter Grace. Another member of Farben was Ernst Schwartz. Both Flick and Schwartz had Carl Byoir as their legal representative, who also handled the public relations of Howard Hughes! Quite a close knit group of people indeed. One final piece of information before continuing: the Mohrenschidt family managed interest in the Nobel oil firm, which was legally represented by John McCloy, who acted as a consultant to I.G. Farben pre-war, and post-war was involved in Operation Paperclip! A close friend of J. Edgar Hoover (much like Clint Murchinson), McCloy was put on the Warren Commission that convicted Oswald as the lone assassin.

Mohrenschidt introduced Lee Harvery and Marina Oswald to a young “all American family” (who boasted various family ties to the CIA), Michael and Ruth Paine. Ruth Paine actually gave Oswald the job at the book depository from where he allegedly shot the president. Michael Paine, on the other hand, was an employee of Bell Aviation, having been hired by Walter Dorenberger. Dorenberger was a former Nazi scientist who had been brought over by Operation Paperclip! He was a close friend and research partner of Werner Von Braun, another scientist who was in deep with Paperclip! According to the widely disputed Torbitt Document, Werner Von Braun himself was a member of Permindex. I’ve requested FOIA documents pertaining to Paperclip and Permindex to see if I can confirm this, but FOIA requests on Permindex are frequently denied, so if anyone has any information I would be grateful!

Some time before the assassination, Oswald was seen out front of a building at 544 Camp Street handing out Free Play for Cuba pamphlets. 544 Camp Street was the office of Carlos Bringuier, a Cuban exile who was a member of the Student Revolutionary Dictoraete, a radical anti-Castro, anti-Communist, and anti-Kennedy organization which was funded by the CIA. Investigators have proven that Oswald and Bringuier did indeed know each other. In the same building, just around the corner, at 531 Lafayette Street, was a detective agency owned by Guy Banister. Researchers have determined that this complex of buildings was in fact a CIA recruiting ground for the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was being headed by Clay Shaw, a former CIA agent and member of Permindex. Clay Shaw and Permindex were also funding the CMC, a radical group in Europe that was working hand in hand with Reinhard Gehlen, bring us back to Paperclip once again!

As mentioned earlier, Michael Paine worked at Bell Aviation with Paperclipped scientist Walter Dorenberger. Working with them also was mystic philosopher named Arthur M. Young, who designed the concept for the helicopter. Arthur M. Young, who founded the “Institute for the Study of Consciousness”, was involved during the 1950s with the infamous “Council of Nine” channelings, one of the most notorious and debated accounts of “UFO contact”. The Nine channelings occurred within a group dedicated to paranormal studies called the Round Table Organization, founded by Young and an Army scientist named Andrija Puharich.

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:03 PM
However, the RTO was in actuality a front for military paranormal research, and Puharich was a researcher involved in MK-ULTA, the code name for the intelligence community’s research into '___'. MK-ULTRA’s top man was Sydney Gottlieb, a former German scientist brought over by Operation Paperclip. Gottlieb was friends with Hal Puthoff, who was director of SRI and funded the RTO. SRI was in control of a military think-tank called the JASON Group (the majority of scientist’s in JASON are on the CFR), a top researcher of which at the time was one Luis Alveraz. Alveraz had an interesting career: he used the Zapruder film to determine that Oswald was the lone assassin. Years earlier, he sat on the Robertson Panel, which “debunked UFOs”. Other members of this panel include Frederick Durant, who worked at Bell Aviation with Paperclip scientist Walter Dorenberger Arthur Young, and Michael Paine. Also on the Panel was Samuel Goudsmit, who was a supervisor to Operation Alsos, a subdivision of the Manhattan Project which focused on German nuclear research and was closely connected to Paperclip.

One person involved with the Nine scenario with Young and Puharich was a SRI employee/mystic James Hurtak, who in the 1980s was the biggest proponent of the “Nazi UFO” story, claiming that aliens bestowed them with military technology. To me this sounds like disinformation, given the ties to Paperclip. Connecting Nazi technology to outrageous stories would definitely be the best way to get people to discredit the core ideas, and thus, a cover up is achieved.

The whole Council of Nine scenario, though being a military experiment in disinfo, is based on the ideas of Theosophy and Ordo Templi Orientis, an occult based secret society with an emphasis on “sexual magick”. In pre-WWII Germany, the OTO were in close contact with the Thule Society, an occult organization whose members formed the Deutsche Arbeiterpartie, which Adolf Hitler turned into the Nazi party. Allegedly, there was a hidden order deep inside the Thule Society, called the ‘Vril Society”, or as German rocket scientist Willy Ley called it, “The Society of Truth”. “The Vril Society” was based on the ideas found in a book by Edward Bulwyer-Lyntonn, called “Vril: The Power of the Coming Race”. This book describes a race of superior people, which would be one the inspiration for Hitler’s Aryan Race, and “Vril”, an “all-permeating fluid”. In 1896, a Theosophist named William Scott Elliot wrote a book called “Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria” which spoke of the lost civilizations possessing the ability of ancient flight, with aircrafts powered by Vril. These stories and beliefs perhaps prompted influence on the Nazi’s research into things such as the Bell.

The OTO became large in post-war America as well, particularly in California. The largest OTO temple in California was located at Mount Palomar, where a scientist named Jack Parsons was a high-initiate. Parson, who was connected to Operation Paperclip, was a founding member of the Jet Propulsion Lab, the prototype of NASA. He was close friends of Aleister Crowley, and conducted a series of magickal rites with him called the “Babalon Working”. Present at these rituals was L. Ron Hubbard, the future founder of Scientology who had infiltrated the OTO on behalf of Naval Intelligence, who were worried about the amount of rocket scientists who were entering this order. Strangely, occult researcher James Shelby Downard claims that at the Mt. Palomar Observatory, there was a group of high ranking CIA officials who “worship” the star of Sirius. Now, Aleister Crowley had created an “inner circle” of the OTO, called the “A.A.”, or “Argentum Astrum”, the “Order of the Silver Star”. He states that the Silver Star is none other than Sirius, and the symbol of the order, the Eye in the Pyramid, is also a symbol of Sirius.

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:04 PM
So given the proximity of the OTO temple to Palomar Observatory, we can determine that most likely this “Sirius-Worshipping” group is none other than the A.A. Mt. Palomar is also the site of the famed and controversial George Adamski UFO encounter. Adamski’s beliefs who later start to resemble that of Theosophy, and he was connected to the “Brotherhood of the Seven Rays”, a UFO-based religion that drew on Theosophy. Founding members of this group include the Laughead family, who were present at the Nine channelings, along with Arthur M. Young. In a strange development, one high ranking OTO member Harry Smith (a Beat generation hero!), who claimed to be the son of Aleister Crowley, worked at the Institute for the Study of Consciousness, founded by Arthur M. Young. Smith gave Young a series of papers on a small tribe in Africa called the Dogon who had strange knowledge of the Sirius star system. Young then passed this information to the secretary of the Institute, a young man named Robert Temple. Robert Temple then wrote “The Sirius Mystery”, and the alternative history movement was born!

So what do we have now at the end of all this? Certainly more questions than answers. Based on what I’ve seen, I can deduce several things: much of the influence on both Nazi science and occult belief is based on the beliefs of Theosophy and the OTO, which believed in a higher intelligence located in Sirius. These beliefs prompted Nazi research that led to the modern idea of Flying Saucers, which was then brought to America via Operation Paperclip. To cover this up, the government drew on the original beliefs of occult societies to spread disinformation, using the belief in “aliens” to discredit the believers in UFOs. I believe that things such as the Majestic 12 were to achieve this end.

Operation Paperclip also gave birth to an insidious creation: the Military-Industrial Complex. Spawned at the end of the second World War to counter the rise of Communism, the Military-Industrial Complex began to work as the money men and hired thugs for the current Globalization movement. This dangerous coupling, I believe, is what many conspiracy theorists refer to as “the New World Order”. These are the same people who seem to be lurking behind JFK assassination. But is there a further connection between JFK and the UFO phenomena? I believe so, due to connections between Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, Fred Crisman, Werner Von Braun, and Permindex. Perhaps it has something to do with the space race, initiated during the Kennedy administration. I just don’t have enough info right now.

Any thoughts?

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:22 PM
It was a much simpler path to your conclusion, but still, the same. Everyone of Kennedy's initiatives were reversed, in time.

The final one was his desires to see mankind go to the stars. Now, we see that the space flights to the moon are now in question. It would be logical to assume someone or thing did not want this to occur. It is also logical to assume since we have not been back to the moon, or even set foot on mars as we should have by now, that force is still present, manipulating the stage for public consumption.

Abraham Zapruder is also involved as he too was a member of “Permindex”, and his offices were in the trade building, and also having heavy ties to intelligence assets.

By the way "EXCELLENT POST!!!! 100 stars to you

[edit on 7-11-2008 by All Seeing Eye]

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:33 PM


Any thoughts?

Yep look into that my friend. Too bad the freedomless of information act will not let you have and information on them.

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:39 PM
This would be a lot clearer if you could map it all out with newspaper clippings and Post-It notes and torn photos all pasted on wall with little strings and arrows linking things together. That way we'll know exactly where you're coming from.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:51 PM
Yes, where are your sources? Links, ISBNs some thing which we can dig into and see other than just taking your word for it.

Other than that, good work, and very detailed post. But sources are a key part of threads here on ATS, as members love to see where members get their information from.

By chance, if you have the time, please check out the below thread and the topped threads of that forum. If your interested, I feel your threads here would be a good addititon to that project.

The John F. Kennedy Assassination Research Project

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:57 PM
reply to post by All Seeing Eye

Nope. It would not be logical to assume someone or thing did not want that to happen. It would if we had fleets of spaceships parked on launch pads around the world, all fueled up, with all the money required to support them, etc. But we don't. The Space Shuttle is nearing the end of its lifespan, and there is no replacement.

Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it's the logical thing to believe.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:06 PM
reply to post by dave420

Brother dave, are you going to follow me around and make it your personal duty to challenge me? Or are you more interested in continuing the cover up.
Offer your own conclusion and stop the attacks. Try being creative for a change.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:18 PM
reply to post by ADVISOR

Here are some of the sources I've been using:

www.ispg.eu for some of the information on Permindex, the 1001 Club, the JASON Group, and Reinhard Gehlen.

The info on FIDCO, Wackenhut, the Octopus, etc. comes from an ebook based on Danny Casalaro's research called "The Last Circle". Read it at www.lycaeum.org...

Alot of the research on the Council of Nine derives from Clive Prince and Lynn Picknett's "The Stargate Conspiracy". The information on Thule and Vril comes from Trevor Ravenscroft's "The Spear of Destiny", Peter Levenda's "The Unholy Alliance", and Nicholas Goodrich Clarke's "The Occult Roots of Nazism".

The two most important books on the JFK assassination are "On the Trail of Assassins" by former attorney Jim Garrison, and "Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy". www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk... had also been an invaluable resource for me in this search.

The info on the Bell is supported by Nick Cook's "The Hunt for the Zero Point", and Joseph Farrell's "Reich of the Black Sun" and "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell". "After the Reich" is an excellent resource on Operation Paperclip, by Gilas MacDonough, Richard Breitman's "U.S. Intelligence and the Nazis", and on the Nazi basis of the Stay-Behind network, Mark Aarons and John Loftus "The Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Bankers". Operation Gladio, which is summarized at en.wikipedia.org... can be read about in FOIA documents and European news articles, but by far the best resource I've used is Ganser Danielle's "NATO's Secret Army: Operation Gladio and Terrorism is Western Europe.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:20 PM
reply to post by zman

Yeah, I've heard its pretty much impossible to get information concerning Permindex through FOIA. I'm trying though.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:28 PM
reply to post by All Seeing Eye

Thanks for the reply, as well as the info on Zapruder! Might I ask your source? I've been pulling my hair out looking for info on this group, which is few and far between.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:56 PM
reply to post by Someone336
Oh my, you had to ask. Let me see if I can find it again. Ill post it when I have.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:09 PM
reply to post by All Seeing Eye

No, I frequent these boards quite a lot, and I challenge people making ridiculous assertions everywhere I see it happen. That's it. I'm here to learn, not to be sidetracked by the illogical ramblings of people who don't understand why it's so important to focus on facts.

Don't flatter yourself.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:16 PM
reply to post by dave420

In another thread, you were acting like anyone who is against socialism is against helping other people and things, and that if you are against socialism, you are just brainwashed and such.

Sounds like a pretty ridiculous assertion to me.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:20 PM
reply to post by Someone336

Abraham Zapruder was born on 15th May, 1905. He moved to Dallas, Texas and in 1953 he joined with Jeanne LeGon to form the clothing design firm called, Nardis of Dallas. Jeanne LeGon designed the clothing and Abraham Zapruder cut the patterns and the material for her. In 1959 the partnership broke up when Jeanne LeGon married George De Mohrenschildt. Zapruder established his own company manufacturing ladies dresses.

The following may be of interest to those who would seek a glimpse at the beginning, even though it tends to raise questions about the only piece of evidence that we know is real, intact, unaltered, and 100% without blemish. Qualities that are curiously absent from the character of the one who filmed it... Consider: Abraham Zapruder-White Russian affiliation, 32nd degree Mason, active MEMBER of 2 CIA Proprietary Organizations: The Dallas Council On World Affairs and The Crusade For A Free Europe; These two organizations were CIA (backed) Domestic Operations in Dallas whose membership included: Abraham Zapruder, Clint Murchison (owner of the Dallas Cowboys at that time) , Mr. Byrd, (owner of the Texas School Book Depository), Sarah Hughes, who swore LBJ in as the 36th President while Air Force One was still on the ground in Dallas, George DeMohrenschildt, (CIA contract agent AND best friend of LHO), George Bush (also close friend of George DeMohrenschildt), Neil Mallon, (mentor that Bush named his son, Neil, after), H.L. Hunt, & Demitri Von Mohrenschildt (George D's brother). In 1953 and 1954 a woman named, Jeanne LeGon worked SIDE by SIDE with Abraham Zapruder at a high end clothing design firm called, Nardis of Dallas. Jeanne LeGon designed the clothing and Abraham Zapruder cut the patterns and the material for her. Incidentally, Abraham Zapruder's obituary mis-states the date/year that he departed Nardis of Dallas, incorrectly citing 1949. The correct year was 1959, [the same year that his "partner in design" Jeanne LeGon became known as, Jean LeGon DeMohrenschildt... She had married Lee Oswald's BEST FRIEND (to be), CIA Contract Agent, George DeMohrenschildt!]

Did Abraham Zapruder actually take the film attributed to him?There are films and stills which seem to show Zapruder without his camera up to his face, and some which show his employee Marilyn Sitzman actually blocking his view. ... In the Willis and Betzner photos, Zapruder appears to be on the concrete pedestal shooting a movie.But in the Bronson slide a bit later, the Moorman Polaroid, and the Nix film, Zapruder does not seem to be filming at all.Yet Zapruder stated, more than once, that he began shooting his film when the motorcade came into sight on Houston street and continued shooting until the limo was out of sight. ... o Who was Abraham Zapruder?Did he merely serendipitiously appear in a key location to witness and record a major piece of history?In this reviewer's opinion these are questions which deserve far more attention.We learn that Zapruder was born in Russia and that he was associated with Dallas's White-Russian community, as was Lee and Marina Oswald, Ruth and Michael Paine, and George DeMorhenshildt.In fact, we learn that Jeanne LeGon, one of De Morhenshildt's wives worked for Zapruder as a dress designer. ... One of Jack Ruby's janitors also worked for Zapruder for a time and Zapruder was also an acquaintance of Jack Ruby himself. ... Zapruder was also an associate of H.L. Hunt. ... Author Lifton states his belief in the serendipity theory, that Zapruder was just an innocent bystander with a camera, while apparently the other authors believe there may be far more to Mr Zapruder than what we have been told (but not that Z had any actual foreknowledge of the events that day). ... "An analysis by Jack White in which he claims that the lines of sight inherent in Moorman #5 located her camera position precisely -- at such a height that she must have been standing on the roadway of Elm Street -- whereas the (extant) Zapruder film shows her standing on the grass some feet behind the curb." ... As noted above, the total amount paid to Zapruder by Time-Life was $150,000. ... Consider also, that we are told that Zapruder carefully selected his position and although he stated that he suffered from vertigo, he chose to stand perched on top of that concrete pedestal.Yet, his closest point of view (POV) of the motorcade had a sign obstructing it.As author Healy notes, if Zapruder had chosen to stand at ground level in front of the Pergola, he would have enjoyed an unobstructed view. ... This may account for Zapruder choosing such a poor POV -- he may have been a decoy intended to distract attention from other cameramen concealed nearby.

Also a little bit about Zapruder, but much more in line with what you are looking at. A long read but it dove tails in with your work.

You see, it just goes over and over, back and forth. You can find the connections if you start with the evidence. If you look to see who are these people, who do they know, how are they funded? And I saw it not only there, but throughout the other assassinations. Who were the top lieutenants in Jonestown? All were tied in with the Nazi money, with the International Fascism, the training, or the movements of the Nazis themselves. I wanted you to see this before I quit. This is a documentary film made by a fellow named Bob Groden. He worked at Life magazine, in the photo department, when this film came from Dallas. This supposedly `homemade' film was made by a fellow named Abraham Zapruder, who was a bystander that `happened' to be standing near the Grassy Knoll filming the motorcade go by. And he caught, on this little piece of film, supposedly just by accident, the assassination of John F Kennedy. The reason I'm making all these secondary comments is that we found out when Abraham Zapruder died that he's a White Russian. That he was from that same section there in Minsk, where George DeMohrenschildt and Marina's family came from. Marina's uncle was a high-ranking military officer in the NKVD, but her family was White Russian and anti-communist. And Gehlen infiltrated a lot of the KGB and Soviet military and intelligence structures during the war, and left agents in place. There's reason to believe that a number of people that were involved with Oswald, even in the Soviet Union, also tie to this International Fascism; and not to the idea that Oswald was some kind of a KGB agent. He was a Naval Intelligence operative. He had crypto clearance. He travelled around with the U-2. And he was a U.S. spy. He was sent to defect falsely to the Soviet Union.

I cant seem to find the info that ties Zapruder to the Permindex. Ill keep looking.

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:28 PM
Dave, you made the assertion that I concluded that Nazi technology allowed us to develop space-travelling ships in vein of the traditional concept of UFOs. This may be true to the extent that Paperclip scientists such as Werner Von Braun, and their connections to people such as Jack Parsons led to formation of the Jet Propulsion Lab. However, many UFOs in 1947 may have simply been new designs for aircrafts created by the Nazis. Here is an image of the Kenneth Arnold 1947 Flying Wing:

Here is the Nazi Horton HO IX:

This is later US technology:


There is also the case of the Kecksburg Acorn. www.ufocasebook.com... has this to say about the "Acorn":

In 1990, researcher Stan Gordon from the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained, traced an apparent first-hand witness, James Romansky. He recalled seeing the object on the ground some 25 years previously, when he was an 18 year old fire fighter. He had been called to duty that night following concerns that an airplane had crashed.
He described the object as bronze coloured and shaped like an acorn-some 12 feet long and 25 feet in diameter; it had slightly raised "blunt" end and strange markings.
"It had writing on it, not like your average writing, but more like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It had sort of a bumper on it, like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide, and it stood out. It was elliptical the whole way around and the writing was on this bumper.It's nothing like I've ever seen, and I'm an avid reader. I read a lot of books on Egypt, the Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never to this day come across anything that looked like that."

This description is identical to the Nazi Bell reports, from the shape to the strange runic markings around the edge of the device. Here is a website citing Joseph Farrell's "Reich of the Black Sun" discussing the Bell and Kecksburg.


Two more websites:


www.americanantigravity.com... (pdf file)

posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:33 PM
reply to post by All Seeing Eye

Wow, cool information! I notice that aside from Guy Banister/Clay Shaw/Free Play for Cuba/Permindex and that fun incident at the Bay of Pigs, the other set of connections that Oswald had always returns to Georges de Mohrenschidt, and Clint Murchinson. Clint Murchinson seems to be, based on his position in FIDCO, one of the emissaries between J. Edgar Hoover and the Military-Industrial Complex, particularly where Bay of Pigs is concerned. His connections in the oil world of Texas is fascinating as well, because its inhabited by the Hunt family, which is closely connected to Permindex and 1001, and the Bush family. We've already seen the connections between Prescott Bush, the Nazis, and Mohrenschidt.

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