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Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
They offer change and help, after we have instigated the change ourselves, otherwise, they could come down and the majority of people would tell them to pi$$ off, you must understand that right?
No, I don't know that at all and neither do you.
See, there's a bit of a fallacy in a lot of these threads. The sceptics and the naysayers aren't actually rebuffing or questioning aliens as such, more the alleged messengers. One of the big problems, if not the biggest problem, with this kind of discourse is that all people want is proof of the actual existence of the aliens making the message. I think, if anything, any actual message would be taken very, very seriously indeed if the existence of aliens was 'proven' in some way.
This is one of the issues that I have with a lot of this, and why I think it says more about the person making the claims of alien contact. I've been a vegetarian for about 25 years, my politics lean towards socialism and I'm not driven by materialism, I've been 'green' and recycling since the early 1990s, I donate towards nature charities and I've take part in sponsorship schemes as well as having adopted rescued animals in the past. What's more, I actually believe in aliens and am open to both a 'nuts and bolts' scenario as well as 'ultraterrestrials'. Yet, I see all these claims about how evil, selfish and unenlightened 'we' all are and how 'we' need to change.
Some variations of the alien spiritual message actually make a point of saying, we know it's the elite few, the leaders that control the planet that are doing the 'bad' things. So what gives? Why not appear to them as individuals rather than as government/corporate representatives and alter their views rather the people without influence and are practically impotent in terms of what they can do to change anything?
Why do they punish the rest of the planet because of a minority who dictate how the rest of us live by not interacting with us now? Because that's what these allegedly benevolent aliens are doing: they can see the world is in a mess regarding economies, war, the environment &c but still won't intervene because of the controlling actions of a few? What the # is that about?
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
There is no wishing; there is work and growth and movement towards the source. There is involution and then evolution. The grosser forms will be annihilated.
We are led to believe and act a certain way before we have the ability to come to our own conclusions.
Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
I didn't say I know it, I asked if you could understand why they may do it like this, I would never claim to know, unless I had been an actual contactee and even then, I am merely reiterating the plaedians 'opinion'.
People have very different opinions of 'proof'. As I said in a previous post, SM can come on here tomorrow and claim to be sat in her house, with a plaedian, and say that he/she will be answering questions. How many people would believe her? OK, more proof? how about a picture of a plaedian, some blonde dude in a tin foil suit basing off next too her, believe them then?
I personally, LOVE meat, I'm not trying to have a pop at you there, as your a veggie, don't get me wrong, I LOVE my veggies aswell, but I see plants as having a conscioussness, just as much as animals and humans do and I found it a bit closed minded of the plaedians, to say don't eat meat, eat vegetables instead. To me this didn't make sense.
Again, I don't know, I am not a contactee, but I believe it is free will. If the elite few want to manipulate the rest, they can, as long as the rest 'agree to it'. Now I'm not saying there was a big meeting, and everyone agreed to be oppressed, I'm saying that when people don't believe it, or are ignorant of it, they don't want anything changed, or at least, that specific bit. We have to want change, thats all. The individual will always have power, as I said before, change starts with the individual, which is then reflected in the collective.
They cannot hold our hand IMO,
Originally posted by imd12c4funn
You should upload your journals so we can read the details of your contacts and hopefully "they" would be referred to by name in your writings.
Maybe you could render an illustration of what these horrible looking hollow earth dwellers look like.
Also, Could you elaborate a bit more on the supression of our growth/evolution/spiritual conciousness or awakening/collecive subconciuos/other?
What more information do you have about the "shield" placed over the earth?
regarding Eden and animal behavior, does this mean T-Rex was just a plant eater?
Lastly, can you persuede me with your newfound knowledge, having now been communicating with these technologically advanced...reptilians? They are reptilians, correct? So that I may too, ultilize the insight you have obtained to possibly end my carnivourous feeding habits?
If so, and I become a vegetarian, do you have any great veggie burger or other recipies to make leaves and roots more pleasurable?
I must reitterate that your journal would be an important document that would shed some light on your daily contacts with these Pleiadians, and would most likely be appreciated by most of us interested in the depth of your accounts.
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Apologies, I got carried away. The answer is still the same though: no, not really for the reasons I stated in my post previously.
Yes, proof comes in all shapes and sizes, and different things are acceptable to different people. The problem is, we're limiting our thinking here when we try to think of what would be persuasive proof. To use your example, about SM could claim to be sat in their house accompanied by a Pleidean answering questions like some crazy galactic webchat: why should it be something like this or a photograph? These are very 'human in 2008' means of offering evidence. Surely Pleideans that are either physically travelling all this way in ships or are able to travel 'psychically' would have a means of giving proof of their existence that would go beyond this and couldn't be faked? Surely?
These Pleideans are here to spread a message, so why are they so # at it? For a technologically, morally, psychically superior race, why are they so # at spreading their goodwill message? How many converts has this thread or any of the others created? And how many people are just shutting down their brain reading this and thinking 'what a joke!'? Why are the Pleideans contacting insignificant people who limit themselves to posting their stories on conspiracy websites where they're more as likely to be picked apart as they are supported.
Why aren't the Pleideans appearing to the naysayers on this thread? I don't accept some idea about them only making their presence known to positive people, otherwise how did they make contact with the first contactee who wouldn't have had positive or negative thoughts about an alien race they'd previously never heard of?
Why aren't the Pleideans helping the contactees to make persuasive arguments in order to help spread their message?
If we're being completely honest, very little or none of this actually makes sense.
No offence, but this makes little sense either. We don't actually 'agree' to anything, which I think you're aware of, hence putting enclosing it in inverted commas. We don't actually have the power to change anything regarding world leaders and the decisions they make. We can vote them in, but how often do we get a chance to vote on policies &c once politicians are in office? Seriously, for example, how did you vote for the Patriot Acts? For them or against them? Did you tick 'yes' or 'no' for the Iraq war? How about the bailout(s)? Which way did you vote on that?
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
In "oneness," what can be annihilated? In "all that is" what can be "not all that is?"
The problem, it appears, is that you have run a "truth" through the mind, which functions as a "divider." What you are saying is close, but it is the truth as it appears when divided by the intellect, rather than perceived without division by the consciousness.
How can you move "toward" something that is everything? From where could you be moving? From nothing?
Negativity, darkness, evil, whatever term you prefer for the concept is merely that which is not recognized as "Self."
You dont move away from it further to make it light, good, positive, you accept it in where you stand. You include it into Self, and the "light" of Awareness disperses the "darkness" (which is only ignorance that "it" is Self) and it too becomes "Self" and "enlightened."
You dont narrow down or tighten the "individuality" towards "I am." You broaden your "Self" until there is nothing that is "Not Self." In that way, the "change" which is not really a change, occurs in the "Am." Everything then is again "enlightened" or accepted by consciousness, and nothing is left separate from what you are calling "source."
Which is why no matter how different these tales sound in terms of now they are filled with aliens rather than angels and demons, they are fundamentally the same. Only the appearance of the "actors" has changed, the play is the same in structure, and in form, and it is the same mistake that has been repeated since humans began to try to think about that which must be "known" not "thought."
I have no doubt that many are receiving the "knowing." The problem is what happens with that knowing. If the mind grabs it and then runs with it, it begins to narrate a storyline about something that cannot have a "line."
It cannot happen in the "future" because the future is created by the same mistake all division is, the mind. It cannot be "thought" about without mistake. By anyone. Including me.
The very best you can do is realize while you are thinking that the mind is breaking the indivisible into "packets" of data to process it, because that is the only way the mind can work. It is not the truth of the "thing itself," the "All that Is," it is the truth of the operation of the mind only. You have to return to the undivided, the immediate present before the mind creates "time" in which to "think," to "know" it again. If you remain in the story line created by your mind you are lost in illusion.
The individual only has a very limited power to change things.
In another Pleidean thread, I pointed out that only a massive revolt where despots and world leaders that didn't listen to the people would have to be forcibly overthrown. However, 'war is bad' is one of the fundamental Pleidean messages, apparently. What, they expect people like Mugabe to step down of their own accord?
I'm not asking them to hold our hand, just acknowledge that our hands are tied. The vast majority of the world is controlled and managed (badly) by the very small minority. We, the majority, can't change that: we don't have that power - our hands are tied. Just how do the Pleideans expect this to change?
And in the meantime, all the generations that pass by, scarred by further wars, diseases, environmental disasters, famines and so on are being punished by an alien race that seem intent on playing a weird game with us where they have the ability to stop all this but won't, or at least won't stop it until we stop it ourselves(!), all the while actually knowing that the majority of us don't have that power to stop it anyway.
That seems pretty sick to me.