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The Pleiadians Sent Me, A Message To The World.

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posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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There have been many messages, because there are many actual contacts taking place. There will be many more. They vary a little, yet have a similar story. The varying to me implies protocol on the part of the ets. That we are not privy to the entire picture or truth. There is no nation or intelligence agency on earth that does not operate under protocol and does not have to put out a certain slant on the information. This is manifested on even a higher level with regards to those not from earth.
I believe the OP. I don't know what it means or what the overall plan is.
Everything related to the legends and myths of various natives, the stories of Lyraens from Andromeda healing villagers in the mountains of South America, (the humans supposedly spread from Lyrae throughout our galaxy and to Andromeda), related to the integrity in Jim Spark's message with the greys about saving the planet, with Miriam Delicado's message on project camelot and in her book is related to prophecy, earth changes, survival, and a new future, to my own friends in the Okanagan and their approval of these messages and the preparations many have been taking for years. This is a consistent story.

There is another possibility. That there is a federation, called the verdants, who work with greys trying to establish themselves and gain access to the electro magnetic energy (which clocks the life of the sun, solar system, galaxy, and even universe). The book Alien Minds is a free download that goes into depth on this. There are some contactees who have given this information. In which case, the verdants and greys come from another galaxy. They have been creating generations of hybrids to get that nordic et look just right, They have been positioning these hybrids on planets, possibly on various timelines. We would actually be the ancestors of them when they visit, though they've lived for a long time on their planets. Time travel is weird. We could be contacted by these human members of this aggressive, non-ecological group of ets who wish to absorb us into their federation.

This scenario explains renegade political marriage and the cabal, including the DuPont family being infiltrated with wars, and injustice being instigated. But the hybrid, nordic ones, who are really great people by the way for the most part, visiting the grass roots people, throughout history (remember time travel?) and establishing themselves on our record, amongst our native peoples, perhaps even a civilization in the past on Mars, all so that: problem, reaction, solution would take place in this bad cop/good cop scenario, in order to gain a strong foothold in the milky way, and its zero point energy that clocks the life of the system.

Then we all ask for help from THEIR federation, and join it.

I'm pointing this out right now because, as an experiencer, I don't trust the motives of ets.
I like some of them. I'm very pleased that I have read accounts of worlds were babies don't even cry, but are talked to telepathically. I want us to reach this point, of peace, equality and total health. But...I examine the possibilities from every angle. Asking for help from them should not mean being forced, without full and complete knowledge of all the implications, to joining their federation, when we don't truly know whats up.




posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


They offer change and help, after we have instigated the change ourselves, otherwise, they could come down and the majority of people would tell them to pi$$ off, you must understand that right?


No, I don't know that at all and neither do you.


I didn't say I know it, I asked if you could understand why they may do it like this, I would never claim to know, unless I had been an actual contactee and even then, I am merely reiterating the plaedians 'opinion'.


See, there's a bit of a fallacy in a lot of these threads. The sceptics and the naysayers aren't actually rebuffing or questioning aliens as such, more the alleged messengers. One of the big problems, if not the biggest problem, with this kind of discourse is that all people want is proof of the actual existence of the aliens making the message. I think, if anything, any actual message would be taken very, very seriously indeed if the existence of aliens was 'proven' in some way.


People have very different opinions of 'proof'. As I said in a previous post, SM can come on here tomorrow and claim to be sat in her house, with a plaedian, and say that he/she will be answering questions. How many people would believe her? OK, more proof? how about a picture of a plaedian, some blonde dude in a tin foil suit basing off next too her, believe them then?

My point here is, proof is entirely subjective. We have no idea about these 'aliens', so even if we were given the full 'true' history of the plaedians, most would pass it off as more BS, we have no frame of truth, to discern fact from fiction.

Not all sceptics and naysayers are rebuffing aliens, but I have seen some who have merely dropped in to enforce their views on people, this doesn't help anyone or further the field in anyway, IMO, it is inhibiting our progress.


This is one of the issues that I have with a lot of this, and why I think it says more about the person making the claims of alien contact. I've been a vegetarian for about 25 years, my politics lean towards socialism and I'm not driven by materialism, I've been 'green' and recycling since the early 1990s, I donate towards nature charities and I've take part in sponsorship schemes as well as having adopted rescued animals in the past. What's more, I actually believe in aliens and am open to both a 'nuts and bolts' scenario as well as 'ultraterrestrials'. Yet, I see all these claims about how evil, selfish and unenlightened 'we' all are and how 'we' need to change.


Honestly, I don't know. I have a personal belief system, that I think is helping me, as the individual, afterall, change starts with the individual. Point is, I don't care if these messages are real or not, if they are, then sweet, if they're not, it's just a good message wrapped in a story. I did have one problem, initially with the OP, but has since been cleared up. It was due to the plaedians discussing carnivores and herbivores.

I personally, LOVE meat, I'm not trying to have a pop at you there, as your a veggie, don't get me wrong, I LOVE my veggies aswell, but I see plants as having a conscioussness, just as much as animals and humans do and I found it a bit closed minded of the plaedians, to say don't eat meat, eat vegetables instead. To me this didn't make sense.

I have toyed with this idea for a while now, maybe 'fruit and veg' aren't the organism, but sort of an equivalent of an 'egg' that we get from chickens, or is it like microorganism's living on our skin, eating our deadskin etc, compared to us, eating the fruit and veg of the Earth?


Some variations of the alien spiritual message actually make a point of saying, we know it's the elite few, the leaders that control the planet that are doing the 'bad' things. So what gives? Why not appear to them as individuals rather than as government/corporate representatives and alter their views rather the people without influence and are practically impotent in terms of what they can do to change anything?


Again, I don't know, I am not a contactee, but I believe it is free will. If the elite few want to manipulate the rest, they can, as long as the rest 'agree to it'. Now I'm not saying there was a big meeting, and everyone agreed to be oppressed, I'm saying that when people don't believe it, or are ignorant of it, they don't want anything changed, or at least, that specific bit. We have to want change, thats all. The individual will always have power, as I said before, change starts with the individual, which is then reflected in the collective.



Why do they punish the rest of the planet because of a minority who dictate how the rest of us live by not interacting with us now? Because that's what these allegedly benevolent aliens are doing: they can see the world is in a mess regarding economies, war, the environment &c but still won't intervene because of the controlling actions of a few? What the # is that about?


They cannot hold our hand IMO, otherwise our progression and evolution is taken out of our hands, and placed into theirs, our collective 'free will' would now be theirs and they don't want that. They want to help us up, not pick us up and carry us around, we need to sort this out on our own, at least at first, an acknowledgment of the problems is a start, once we understand the effects, we can try and find the cause.

I would like to say that I am not saying this is how they view things, it is my opinion on a subject I am interested in.

Hope this helps,

EMM

[edit on 9-11-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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Starmessenger, Have you been to the website of Allies of Humanity? Here is a grab from a message there.


Visit www.NewMessage.org
The Allies Message
The Allies of Humanity is being presented to prepare people for a whole new reality that is largely hidden and unrecognized in the world today. It provides a new perspective that empowers people to face the greatest challenge and opportunity that we, as a race, have ever encountered. The Allies Briefings contain a number of critical if not alarming statements about the growing extraterrestrial intervention and integration into the human race and about the extraterrestrial activities and hidden agenda. The purpose of the Allies Briefings is not to provide hard evidence about the reality of the ET visitation to our world, which is already well documented in many other fine books and research journals on the subject. The purpose of the Allies Briefings is to address the dramatic and far-reaching implications of this phenomenon, to challenge our human tendencies and assumptions regarding it and to alert the human family to the great threshold we now face. The Briefings provide a glimpse into the reality of intelligent life in the Universe and what Contact will really mean. For many readers, what is revealed in the Allies of Humanity will be entirely new. For others, it will be a confirmation of things they have long felt and known. ----
www.alliesofhumanity.org...

I did check out some of the site, it looks like the first book is FREE online, but the second book is not free yet. Some will think scam, but the site offers a lot of good FREE reading on this subject. It's definitely worth a look. I would have u2u'd this info to you, but not enough posts yet... so those who will trash the info here, go to town.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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Yes, it is easier to understand once you begin your own spiritual path. I've been meditating and changing my own lifestyle for just a little over a month now, and already I've been given small little messages in the form of symbolism in my dreams, pointing me in directions that I should be taking. I've posted a few of these dreams in the 'Tuning into Extra Terrestrial Contact' thread.

Before anyone makes any kind of implications about my character, I'm a 19 year old college student, a former Varsity Cross Country and Track athlete, an Honors Student in High School and a current English Comp. Honors student. My ACT scores have calculated I'm in the top 5% of all students in my age group in the United States, and I've been involved in two Duke University Talent Search programs. I only provide this information because I don't want people thinking I'm some drugged out hippie or someone craving attention over the internet for some reason.

I understand all of what I said above doesn't matter in the slightest in grand scheme of things, if you will. People who hold on to such accolades as some way of 'proving' yourself to society just haven't learned to realize the importance of letting go of one's own Ego. I also understand the importance of maintaining the status I've cultivated for myself through my education, because I want to be able live the life I want to. I want to become a Journalist.

...getting back to the topic at hand though. I feel the world's religions have just been distorted over time. Their messages are pure and with a little bit of research you will find their are things in the Bible and other holy scriptures that really reinforce what's being discussed in this thread and others like it. Whether through human or alien hand these teachings have been distorted to serve a purpose that benefit those with more power in society. How many Books have been removed from the Bible? New Testament anyone?

Also, I honestly don't feel it would be that hard for most people to wake up to their own true spirituality, without giving up the 'Rat Race' per se. There are many people in high places who are devout Christians or what have you, taking time out of their lives at least every Wednesday and Sunday to attend Church. I understand the intense requirements of the Muslim faith. While this is all well and good, and participating in these events do raise the frequency of the participant whose judgment and intentions are pure, its kind of beating around the bush.

No, the true culprits here are complacency and corporatism. Industries spend billions of dollars creating products that are cheap and at the same time not healthy for you. They also spend billions on advertising, which when you really break it down, is just pure brainwashing. Children recognize the big McDonalds 'M' before they learn to speak. We are led to believe and act a certain way before we have the ability to come to our own conclusions. This sort of 'herd mentality' has been shown by a number of members of this forum, in this very thread. Just look at all the posts the Staff had to remove because they were offensive or otherwise againt proper etiquette.

Because we are led to believe a certain way from the get-go, we become complacent through our lives. Many people who have begun their own spiritual paths can look back on their almost 'former selves' and see how they were conforming to established norms in society. This is what alot of people on this forum refer to as 'sheeple', not realizing their are two sides to every coin.

So, this post really got alot longer then I first thought it would be, so I'll just stop here and leave everyone some food for thought. I'll be returning later in the today to enforce some of the OP's claims about the consciousness battles going on right now over species' such as our own, and about the barrier surrounding Earth for the most part. These are two characteristics of the story that I wholeheartedly agree with and understand as part of what's happening on Earth right now. I've done my own research into both subject and I feel I can shed some light here where the OP has left off.

Namaste.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp


There is no wishing; there is work and growth and movement towards the source. There is involution and then evolution. The grosser forms will be annihilated.


In "oneness," what can be annihilated? In "all that is" what can be "not all that is?"

The problem, it appears, is that you have run a "truth" through the mind, which functions as a "divider." What you are saying is close, but it is the truth as it appears when divided by the intellect, rather than perceived without division by the consciousness.

How can you move "toward" something that is everything? From where could you be moving? From nothing?

Negativity, darkness, evil, whatever term you prefer for the concept is merely that which is not recognized as "Self." You dont move away from it further to make it light, good, positive, you accept it in where you stand. You include it into Self, and the "light" of Awareness disperses the "darkness" (which is only ignorance that "it" is Self) and it too becomes "Self" and "enlightened."

You dont narrow down or tighten the "individuality" towards "I am." You broaden your "Self" until there is nothing that is "Not Self." In that way, the "change" which is not really a change, occurs in the "Am." Everything then is again "enlightened" or accepted by consciousness, and nothing is left separate from what you are calling "source."

Which is why no matter how different these tales sound in terms of now they are filled with aliens rather than angels and demons, they are fundamentally the same. Only the appearance of the "actors" has changed, the play is the same in structure, and in form, and it is the same mistake that has been repeated since humans began to try to think about that which must be "known" not "thought."

I have no doubt that many are receiving the "knowing." The problem is what happens with that knowing. If the mind grabs it and then runs with it, it begins to narrate a storyline about something that cannot have a "line." It cannot happen in the "future" because the future is created by the same mistake all division is, the mind. It cannot be "thought" about without mistake. By anyone. Including me.

The very best you can do is realize while you are thinking that the mind is breaking the indivisible into "packets" of data to process it, because that is the only way the mind can work. It is not the truth of the "thing itself," the "All that Is," it is the truth of the operation of the mind only. You have to return to the undivided, the immediate present before the mind creates "time" in which to "think," to "know" it again. If you remain in the story line created by your mind you are lost in illusion.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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I hear what yer saying.. but if you change yer life based on an alien messenger? I cant see good things coming from somethings based on a dillusion.... however having said that... the level of negativity being what it is... perhaps you're right my friend



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:43 AM
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Sorry if this is slightly off tpoic but,


We are led to believe and act a certain way before we have the ability to come to our own conclusions.


Absolutely spot on IMO. I would love to see the world through a childs eyes, before they ever goes to school. A perspective so pure that everything is wonderous and unanswered, bathed in ignorance, with a passion for asking questions and learning. The minute we hit school, the indoctrination begins (IMO) and walls are constructed to 'fascilitate' learning. We are given explanations for everything there is, any question asked, is answered definitevely and this just detracts from our ability to learn information that doesn't fit in with this view.

IMO, answers keep us arrogant, questions make us humble.

EMM

[edit on 9-11-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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Excellent post. Which is why "storylines" of anykind lead us further from "knowing" into "thinking."

You can see the world through the eyes of a child, an innocent.

You do whenever you fully experience the present moment fully, by bringing your entire consciousness to bear right now, and out of the artificially created "future" and "past."

It isnt a mystery, or secret, but it is difficult to "do" because it requires "not doing" which is something the mind loathes. "Being your Self" that undivided conscious awareness of the present, causes your "idea of self" your mind or identity to cease. Because your mind thinks it is the entirety of "you" it panics, it feels like a "death" is occurring, but there is no death, because the "idea of you" is not existent in truth. It is an illusion only. The illusory you fears an illusory death, and by this repeating loop you are kept separate from "Self" or "God" and thus "Gnosis" as well.

[edit on 9-11-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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You should upload your journals so we can read the details of your contacts and hopefully "they" would be referred to by name in your writings.
Maybe you could render an illustration of what these horrible looking hollow earth dwellers look like.

Also, Could you elaborate a bit more on the supression of our growth/evolution/spiritual conciousness or awakening/collecive subconciuos/other?

What more information do you have about the "shield" placed over the earth?

regarding Eden and animal behavior, does this mean T-Rex was just a plant eater?

Lastly, can you persuede me with your newfound knowledge, having now been communicating with these technologically advanced...reptilians? They are reptilians, correct? So that I may too, ultilize the insight you have obtained to possibly end my carnivourous feeding habits?

If so, and I become a vegetarian, do you have any great veggie burger or other recipies to make leaves and roots more pleasurable?

I must reitterate that your journal would be an important document that would shed some light on your daily contacts with these Pleiadians, and would most likely be appreciated by most of us interested in the depth of your accounts.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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All of these stories seem similar and do worry me to an extent but my rational and spiritual self steps in and says , really whats the worst that can happen

You can kill my body and destroy this planet but I will still carry on ..... Yes I agree we should not be destroying our habitat or its other inhabitants(animals) but until we find some alternate source of protein that is comparable to that in meat & tastes good or until maybe some particle tech that can create food on the fly , I can't see anything changing for the good in that dept.

but regardless follow the path of light to the best of our ability and leave the rest in god's hands ....... just pray when we do die that it does not hurt and that it is quick.

we will meet again on the other side , at least some of us ....



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

I didn't say I know it, I asked if you could understand why they may do it like this, I would never claim to know, unless I had been an actual contactee and even then, I am merely reiterating the plaedians 'opinion'.


Apologies, I got carried away. The answer is still the same though: no, not really for the reasons I stated in my post previously.



People have very different opinions of 'proof'. As I said in a previous post, SM can come on here tomorrow and claim to be sat in her house, with a plaedian, and say that he/she will be answering questions. How many people would believe her? OK, more proof? how about a picture of a plaedian, some blonde dude in a tin foil suit basing off next too her, believe them then?


Yes, proof comes in all shapes and sizes, and different things are acceptable to different people. The problem is, we're limiting our thinking here when we try to think of what would be persuasive proof. To use your example, about SM could claim to be sat in their house accompanied by a Pleidean answering questions like some crazy galactic webchat: why should it be something like this or a photograph? These are very 'human in 2008' means of offering evidence. Surely Pleideans that are either physically travelling all this way in ships or are able to travel 'psychically' would have a means of giving proof of their existence that would go beyond this and couldn't be faked? Surely?

These Pleideans are here to spread a message, so why are they so # at it? For a technologically, morally, psychically superior race, why are they so # at spreading their goodwill message? How many converts has this thread or any of the others created? And how many people are just shutting down their brain reading this and thinking 'what a joke!'? Why are the Pleideans contacting insignificant people who limit themselves to posting their stories on conspiracy websites where they're more as likely to be picked apart as they are supported.

Why aren't the Pleideans appearing to the naysayers on this thread? I don't accept some idea about them only making their presence known to positive people, otherwise how did they make contact with the first contactee who wouldn't have had positive or negative thoughts about an alien race they'd previously never heard of?

Why aren't the Pleideans helping the contactees to make persuasive arguments in order to help spread their message?


I personally, LOVE meat, I'm not trying to have a pop at you there, as your a veggie, don't get me wrong, I LOVE my veggies aswell, but I see plants as having a conscioussness, just as much as animals and humans do and I found it a bit closed minded of the plaedians, to say don't eat meat, eat vegetables instead. To me this didn't make sense.


If we're being completely honest, very little or none of this actually makes sense.


Again, I don't know, I am not a contactee, but I believe it is free will. If the elite few want to manipulate the rest, they can, as long as the rest 'agree to it'. Now I'm not saying there was a big meeting, and everyone agreed to be oppressed, I'm saying that when people don't believe it, or are ignorant of it, they don't want anything changed, or at least, that specific bit. We have to want change, thats all. The individual will always have power, as I said before, change starts with the individual, which is then reflected in the collective.


No offence, but this makes little sense either. We don't actually 'agree' to anything, which I think you're aware of, hence putting enclosing it in inverted commas. We don't actually have the power to change anything regarding world leaders and the decisions they make. We can vote them in, but how often do we get a chance to vote on policies &c once politicians are in office? Seriously, for example, how did you vote for the Patriot Acts? For them or against them? Did you tick 'yes' or 'no' for the Iraq war? How about the bailout(s)? Which way did you vote on that?

The individual only has a very limited power to change things.

In another Pleidean thread, I pointed out that only a massive revolt where despots and world leaders that didn't listen to the people would have to be forcibly overthrown. However, 'war is bad' is one of the fundamental Pleidean messages, apparently. What, they expect people like Mugabe to step down of their own accord?


They cannot hold our hand IMO,


I'm not asking them to hold our hand, just acknowledge that our hands are tied. The vast majority of the world is controlled and managed (badly) by the very small minority. We, the majority, can't change that: we don't have that power - our hands are tied. Just how do the Pleideans expect this to change?

And in the meantime, all the generations that pass by, scarred by further wars, diseases, environmental disasters, famines and so on are being punished by an alien race that seem intent on playing a weird game with us where they have the ability to stop all this but won't, or at least won't stop it until we stop it ourselves(!), all the while actually knowing that the majority of us don't have that power to stop it anyway.

That seems pretty sick to me.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by imd12c4funn
You should upload your journals so we can read the details of your contacts and hopefully "they" would be referred to by name in your writings.
Maybe you could render an illustration of what these horrible looking hollow earth dwellers look like.


If at all possible, I would like to see that aswell, that would be very interesting and possibly very insightful.


Also, Could you elaborate a bit more on the supression of our growth/evolution/spiritual conciousness or awakening/collecive subconciuos/other?


IMO, it ranges from the sea of radiation we currently bathe ourselves in daily, to fossil fuels, apathy, seperateness, Religion and a host of all other things that I can't even comprehend atm.


What more information do you have about the "shield" placed over the earth?


I think it's known as 'the veil' in esoteric circles, apparently keeps us reincarnating on Earth, prohibiting our spiritual growth.


regarding Eden and animal behavior, does this mean T-Rex was just a plant eater?


I wouldn't mind a bit of clarity on this, I'm still trying to understand, but what I got so far is, it's not the fact that we eat meat, it's the fact that we don't consider the animals at all. We don't see them as conscious entities, we see them as walking, breathing food. I personally eat meat, but if I ever had to 'kill my own' dinner, I think I'd stop eating meat, is this hypocritical? maybe, no ones perfect. Point is, animals may actually understand this concept, as they themselves are part of a food chain, IMO anyway, or they could just not be as 'conscious' as us, so they are not aware of this responsibility.


Lastly, can you persuede me with your newfound knowledge, having now been communicating with these technologically advanced...reptilians? They are reptilians, correct? So that I may too, ultilize the insight you have obtained to possibly end my carnivourous feeding habits?


Plaedians aren't Reptilian, they are blone haired humanoids, look like us. There are sometimes refered to as Nordic's, but this can get confusing, as there is another race, from Sirius, that are also refered to as Nordic's, yet they are apparently working for the reptillians, basically, they where in a similar situation to us thousands years ago I think, but they where fully indoctrinated into the Reptillians empire.

Not to mention, your starting to sound condescing.


If so, and I become a vegetarian, do you have any great veggie burger or other recipies to make leaves and roots more pleasurable?


how about fruit and veg rather than leaves and roots?!? that'll probably be a start, plus google is your friend.


I must reitterate that your journal would be an important document that would shed some light on your daily contacts with these Pleiadians, and would most likely be appreciated by most of us interested in the depth of your accounts.


Again, agreed.

EMM



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:20 PM
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hi starmessentage i like what u have to say and do continue to
speak the truth about whats going on i feel u have much more to say
just ignore the nasayers i want to hear more.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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He is right, ETs will come BUT, they will lie to us and prepare us for a war. A war against God. Go to google video and watch "A trip into the Supernatural", and you will learn what will happen pretty soon.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir


Apologies, I got carried away. The answer is still the same though: no, not really for the reasons I stated in my post previously.


No apology needed and fair enough. It will always be hard for us to comprehend what an advanced civilisation...'does', do they work for money? Do they come here out of shear good will? Are they coming here to manipulate us?

As I said, I have my beliefs of why they're here and what they hold precious, in terms of their beliefs (in respect to plaedians, andromedans etc), but this is only based on my limited point of view, so at the very most, I maybe 'close', or at the very least, totally wrong, lol.


Yes, proof comes in all shapes and sizes, and different things are acceptable to different people. The problem is, we're limiting our thinking here when we try to think of what would be persuasive proof. To use your example, about SM could claim to be sat in their house accompanied by a Pleidean answering questions like some crazy galactic webchat: why should it be something like this or a photograph? These are very 'human in 2008' means of offering evidence. Surely Pleideans that are either physically travelling all this way in ships or are able to travel 'psychically' would have a means of giving proof of their existence that would go beyond this and couldn't be faked? Surely?


We are most definetely limiting our thinking and you raise good questions, as in why not a hologram projected right in front of 'sceptics'? Implant thoughts and 'realisations' into their minds? Explain to them their anf their families recent history, something the person could only know?

I could go on, but these all involve one thing and that is revealing themself to us and IMO at least, I don't think they will do that, as it will stop us from 'realising' and discovering on our own, it will take away an aspect of our free will and our 'path' as a civilisation, aswell as an individual. This could all seem very 'convenient' and I agree, but I have a personal belief system, that 'anticipates' this in a way, I'm not going into it here, as it is off topic, but if you would like to here more, feel free to U2U me


These Pleideans are here to spread a message, so why are they so # at it? For a technologically, morally, psychically superior race, why are they so # at spreading their goodwill message? How many converts has this thread or any of the others created? And how many people are just shutting down their brain reading this and thinking 'what a joke!'? Why are the Pleideans contacting insignificant people who limit themselves to posting their stories on conspiracy websites where they're more as likely to be picked apart as they are supported.


Well, maybe that they believe (nearly said understand then), that no one is insignificant? That the individual holds more 'potential' than currently percieved?

As for converts, I'd doubt they are trying to convert anyone. This is one of my biggest beefs will our current religions, they are all about converting, it isn't about live and let live, they each believe that their way is right (thats a bit of a generalisation, but I hope you understand what I mean), therefore, the other ways are wrong.

It is about belief, personal belief. To consider a possibility isn't asking too much? That is all they are asking IMO. If more people contemplated this scenario and considered it a possibility then that flitting moment of comprehension, let's them know that you are open to them and thus 'accepting' their help.


Why aren't the Pleideans appearing to the naysayers on this thread? I don't accept some idea about them only making their presence known to positive people, otherwise how did they make contact with the first contactee who wouldn't have had positive or negative thoughts about an alien race they'd previously never heard of?


Considering the above, I'd say that maybe it could be harmful to them, as I read on an NDE thread, someone who isn't ready, getting a glimpse 'beyond the veil' could be seriously damaging to them. Aswell as the possibility of them not wanting to interfere with their journey of discovery, but I've covered that a few times.


Why aren't the Pleideans helping the contactees to make persuasive arguments in order to help spread their message?


Good question and I honestly don't know, it could be that leaving them to their own devices will help them grow more, effectively allowing them to develop into a better teacher? Possibly, but I'm not sure.


If we're being completely honest, very little or none of this actually makes sense.


Lol, are you talking about this concept of Plaedians, or my MEAT and veggie rant? I admit, I went on a bit of a tangent their, but for some reason, I felt like I had to clarify, so I did.


If were talking about the Plaedians, then to be honest, alot of it makes too much sense. I'll explain, everything is reiterated and orchestrated on a very 'human' level, motives, aspirations, agendas, wars etc. For an alien civilization, they are remarkably similar to us, which may show people have a lack of imagination, or they could be explaining things to us on our level, or something I can't even guess at, lol.


No offence, but this makes little sense either. We don't actually 'agree' to anything, which I think you're aware of, hence putting enclosing it in inverted commas. We don't actually have the power to change anything regarding world leaders and the decisions they make. We can vote them in, but how often do we get a chance to vote on policies &c once politicians are in office? Seriously, for example, how did you vote for the Patriot Acts? For them or against them? Did you tick 'yes' or 'no' for the Iraq war? How about the bailout(s)? Which way did you vote on that?


Sorry, I will try to explain:

If No one knows about a 'bill' that is being passed, then they can't vote on it, therefore give their opinion. Now imagine, if the 'bill' didn't have to be voted for, only that if more than 50% of the population, voted against it, then it would not be passed.

If people don't know about it, they can't prevent it. I hope I was clearer here.

I am from Britain, so I didn't vote on bailout or Iraq war, but I didn't vote on the bailout over here, because honestly, we didn't get the chance, lol. As for voting in general, I don't, IMO, we have zilch say in those matters, ballots are merely a way to placate the masses and 'assure' them, that this still is a democracy.

And your bold, that is the biggest problem I have currently with our governmental structure, the people get pretty much zero say in what actually happens after the initially elect someone and most of the time, they're elected on policies that they usually don't stick too, or sometimes completely reverse their stance on. It shouldn't be too hard in this time of the tinterweb that people could get bulletins on their desktop, regarding current 'bills' that are getting passed and allowing us to vote on them.

Continued.



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posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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In "oneness," what can be annihilated? In "all that is" what can be "not all that is?"


Nothing is truely "annihilated". It loses differentiation. Nothing is subtracted from "all" just as nothing can be added for what would could exist external to it?


The problem, it appears, is that you have run a "truth" through the mind, which functions as a "divider." What you are saying is close, but it is the truth as it appears when divided by the intellect, rather than perceived without division by the consciousness.


Can we even speak with one another without a "divider"? What could our intellect truely grasp without something else to relate it to? Reason will lead to paradoxes but those are reconcilable in a different way after much pain.


How can you move "toward" something that is everything? From where could you be moving? From nothing?


It is not like moving towards L.A. from New York. Not everything that is is manifest. Imagine the integers without the negative numbers. The set still infinite (though countably in both cases). The negatives still have potential for manifestation.


Negativity, darkness, evil, whatever term you prefer for the concept is merely that which is not recognized as "Self."


I recognize it as self. I recognize it more now than ever. The main problem from our limited point of view is a lack of clarity as to which is which.


You dont move away from it further to make it light, good, positive, you accept it in where you stand. You include it into Self, and the "light" of Awareness disperses the "darkness" (which is only ignorance that "it" is Self) and it too becomes "Self" and "enlightened."


Given this, why did you ask me what we move towards?


You dont narrow down or tighten the "individuality" towards "I am." You broaden your "Self" until there is nothing that is "Not Self." In that way, the "change" which is not really a change, occurs in the "Am." Everything then is again "enlightened" or accepted by consciousness, and nothing is left separate from what you are calling "source."


The individuality inherent in the absolute of all is the ultimate expression of individuality for there is no other. If there were, it would not be all nor absolute.


Which is why no matter how different these tales sound in terms of now they are filled with aliens rather than angels and demons, they are fundamentally the same. Only the appearance of the "actors" has changed, the play is the same in structure, and in form, and it is the same mistake that has been repeated since humans began to try to think about that which must be "known" not "thought."


It is customary to engage different segments of the population according to their intellectual predispositions much as one would attempt to communcate with another in a language they speak.


I have no doubt that many are receiving the "knowing." The problem is what happens with that knowing. If the mind grabs it and then runs with it, it begins to narrate a storyline about something that cannot have a "line."


Haha. This is why I may regret even starting this side discussion (though it seems relevant to the topic). It is true, the narrative will not tell you the truth, but it can guide one when looking inward. The mathematical concept above helps in understanding different infinities.


It cannot happen in the "future" because the future is created by the same mistake all division is, the mind. It cannot be "thought" about without mistake. By anyone. Including me.


I am not satified with such notions. Is it a mistake or just a perspective? Is watching a movie a mistake even though all the frames already exist "before" and "after" the one presently displayed? Never mind that the film has only one "past" and "future" though.


The very best you can do is realize while you are thinking that the mind is breaking the indivisible into "packets" of data to process it, because that is the only way the mind can work. It is not the truth of the "thing itself," the "All that Is," it is the truth of the operation of the mind only. You have to return to the undivided, the immediate present before the mind creates "time" in which to "think," to "know" it again. If you remain in the story line created by your mind you are lost in illusion.


There is that sort of mind and then another in which I really have no way to easily express. Anything we perceive through the senses is a representation and as you said, not the "thing in itself". Anything we model with intellect is a representation in a similar way. I will go the extra step to say that the only thing we know in itself is the representation itself. Are the things themselves representations of themselves? If the representation requires differentiation is representation a "mistake" as well?



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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The individual only has a very limited power to change things.


Have you ever seen the movie pay it forward? Or even the old film Pollyanna? They are only films, but the concepts behind them show how much of a change the individual can do on the whole.

For instance, next time you walk through your city centre, or neighbourhood and you see someone homeless, offer to buy them a coffee, or dinner, or even a sleeping bag, most it'll cost you is like $20-40, not too much yet I'm sure it would make their day, if people saw more individuals doing this, they may decide to do it themself.


In another Pleidean thread, I pointed out that only a massive revolt where despots and world leaders that didn't listen to the people would have to be forcibly overthrown. However, 'war is bad' is one of the fundamental Pleidean messages, apparently. What, they expect people like Mugabe to step down of their own accord?


Very true argument and the philosophy that 'War is bad', is only really applicable in a 'Utopian' society, to keep it Utopian, IMO. It does not apply to us, in our current situation, but I wouldn't mind hearing the OP's opinion on the matter?


I'm not asking them to hold our hand, just acknowledge that our hands are tied. The vast majority of the world is controlled and managed (badly) by the very small minority. We, the majority, can't change that: we don't have that power - our hands are tied. Just how do the Pleideans expect this to change?


Yes we can, you've found your own answer, they are the minority, we are the majority, only problem is, the majority of the majority, don't believe the that they are being manipulated by the minority (head is officially pretzled), it all comes down to belief.


And in the meantime, all the generations that pass by, scarred by further wars, diseases, environmental disasters, famines and so on are being punished by an alien race that seem intent on playing a weird game with us where they have the ability to stop all this but won't, or at least won't stop it until we stop it ourselves(!), all the while actually knowing that the majority of us don't have that power to stop it anyway.


They are not doing the punishing, they are just not helping, this could be considered just as bad, but it still isnt' them doing the punishing. Again, I honestly don't know, I could bring up the whole non interference, but I'm guessing that was covered in your reference to 'game', with a lack of perspective, it could look bad, such as a rare animal being captured and brought to a nature reserve to prevent extinction.

Now with a lack of perspective, this could be classed as evil, taking it away from it's natural habitat and it's family and friends (if they have that concept, which I think they do), but with our greater perspective, we can see that it is for the greater good of the species, maybe it's like that here, maybe them interfering at the moment will cause more damage than if they don't, just a guess.


That seems pretty sick to me.


I can see how you see it that way, I only hope you can see it my way too.


EMM



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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What if I told you that plants are alive too and we are hurting them to get what we need to survive.

Creatures of this planet has killed it self from the start, one only has to look at evolution to see that, humans didn't exist when animals were killing each other.

Microbes killed each other, fish killed each other, dinosaurs killed each other, animals kill each other, we, animals kill other animals and sometimes our self so one of us may live, and the ones that kill for their own benefit are punished.

This is the way of our planet, if a space alien trully told you that then he is wrong.

Killing is part of life and there is nothing we can do about it, the only harmony we ever had was the food chain and we are disrupting that now.

If aliens trully tried to make us devolve then they did a crappy job, technologically and spiritually we are skyrocketting, we are on the verge of joining the intergallactic community, as a matter of fact we already are.

We already have interstellar capability, we have individuals that are spiritually to a level that it's hard to judge if they are still human.

The reptillians are weak and have nothing but hollow threats to confound us into submission but ever our own government knows that and is not taking the threats to heart, some work with them yes and some reptillians are in direct control of some of our politics but our rebellion is strong and we are growing at a very high level now.

We don't need nordics for our salvation, we are our own salvation and Gaia (or call it what you will), our own planet's spirit is making it happen.



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