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The ‘Holocaust’ Removed From British School Curriculum {{ EMAIL HOAX }}

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:48 AM
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I received an email from one of my friends in the UK recently with images that translate to pure horror. I must warn the faint of heart that discretion is advised before you dig into this post.

It is a historical fact that when Ike was the Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces during WW II, he ordered to take as many photographs as possible of the victims of the Nazi Concentration Camps and had the German population of the surrounding cities taken there to see for themselves the HORROR perpetrated by the Nazis and in some cases, help burry the mutilated dead. The reason was:

”To collect as much proof in the form of films and testimonies, because the day will come when some son-of-a-bitch will say that this never happened.”

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6 million Jews, 10 million Christians, and millions of Russians murdered, slaughtered, raped, burnt, humiliated, but then the Nazis had other priorities.

And now recently, the United Kingdom erased the ‘Holocaust’ from the British school curriculum altogether because IT OFFENDED THE MUSLIM POPULATION BELIEFS THAT THE HOLOCAUST NEVER TOOK PLACE. Yes! The United Kingdom!

As Edmund Burke says, “All that is needed for evil to succeed is to do nothing.” Or stonewall it?

And that’s exactly what the British Government is doing by removing this gruesome chapter of WW II from the school curriculums, brushing it under the carpet to pander to the sentiments of a particular community. And now, countries such as Iran amongst others declare that the ‘Holocaust is a myth’.

The biggest casualty will ever be the truth. This is an intimidating omen concerning the fear that is affecting the world, and each country is allowing itself to be carried away too easily. Is there a hidden hand at work? Are we losing out to the diktats of an emerging World Muslim Caliphate consisting of fundamentalist Islamic organizations?

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Edit to ad the hoax indication in the thread title.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by SkepticOverlord]




posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 02:55 AM
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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:44 AM
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Sensationalised, untrue, right wing propaganda from over a year ago.

Holocaust Ban in Uk Schools Chain Email

Holocaust Ban in E-mail Confusion

From the BBC news report.



a spokesman for England's Department for Education and Skills added: "Teaching of the Holocaust is already compulsory in schools at Key Stage 3 [ages 11 to 14].



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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 04:06 AM
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Then how about this article in the Mail Online that sky linked to? It's nothing to do with a so called chain mail..


Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Government backed study has revealed.

It found some teachers are dropping courses covering the Holocaust at the earliest opportunity over fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class. The researchers gave the example of a secondary school in an unnamed northern city, which dropped the Holocaust as a subject for GCSE coursework. It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.

But Chris McGovern, history education adviser to the former Tory government, said: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."




www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 04:06 AM
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Not only untrue, but significant funding (I don't know from what source, government or charity) has been designated to provide study trips annually for a representative number of students to Auschwitz every year. I think that it is two secondary age children per school, per year but I can't remember the details and have no idea on what basis the children are selected for the trip.

Here's a link.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Sixth formers in fact (16-18 years), not secondary (11-16)it seems but otherwise roughly what I attempted to describe
Either way, clearly on the curriculum.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 04:15 AM
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If your excerpt is true, I find it shocking that the holocaust is taught to 11 year olds!

I wonder how can an 11 year old understand the concept of genocide?

Surely it would be better to teach it at to 16 year olds or so, who can understand the political, economic, social and more importantly moral issues surrounding the events?



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 04:29 AM
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The articles referred to are over a year old.

Snopes

Holocaust Educational Trust



At no point does the report from the Historical Association suggest that the Holocaust be removed from the National Curriculum for England and Wales. Obviously we and all Holocaust related organisations in the UK take this very seriously, however on this occasion we want to allay all fears and impress upon everyone that the Holocaust is not being removed from the National Curriculum. This particular incident does of course merit further investigation but in no way represents all the good work in our schools across the country.


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Digital Journal

What do they know

National Curriculum : History key Stage 3 - click Range and content, item j

Its a hoax. Its rubbish, and people should know better.

Edited in correct link to UK Curriculum


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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 08:23 AM
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Nice one mikesingh, you truly are a beacon of hope for real factual evidence when you decided to post this crap. Thanks.


As soon as I saw that they decided to remove the Holocaust from the National Cirriculum because of muslims in particular, I knew it was a load of rubbish. And was proved right.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by JasonT
Nice one mikesingh, you truly are a beacon of hope for real factual evidence when you decided to post this crap. Thanks.

As soon as I saw that they decided to remove the Holocaust from the National Cirriculum because of muslims in particular, I knew it was a load of rubbish. And was proved right.


Jason I suspect you may not be being too objective on this one.

Mike,Thanks for raising awareness;it is a very real concern and the issue has been widely reported in the UK media:
www.guardian.co.uk...

Schools have avoided teaching the Holocaust and the Crusades in history lessons because they are concerned about causing offence to Muslim pupils or challenging "charged" versions of history which children have been taught at home, government research has found.
A report for the Department for Education and Skills found that a history department in a northern city had avoided selecting the Holocaust as a GCSE topic for fear of confronting "anti-semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial" among some Muslim pupils.





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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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As nefermore points out with numerous sources, it is nothing more than Propaganda. Anti-muslim fear-mongering designed to foment resentment and hostility.

A lot of these Anti-Muslim emails seem to be making the rounds.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by FewWorldOrder
As nefermore points out with numerous sources, it is nothing more than Propaganda. Anti-muslim fear-mongering designed to foment resentment and hostility.


Are you suggesting the entire ´islam/holocaust denial´ issue is fiction?

The leader of Iran does not seem to think so:
news.bbc.co.uk...
And the Egyptian government-sponsored Al-Masaa newspaper seems to crystalise the ´argument´for it´s readers:

". . . these massacres, which Israel alleges that the Nazis perpetrated against the Jews, never happened. The famous execution chambers were no more than rooms for disinfecting clothes. . .
It has also been proven that Hitler was not against the Jews. . ."


As for UK education and special dispensations in what is taught to some minorities lest they be offended:
www.westernresistance.com...

In another department, the Holocaust was taught despite anti-Semitic sentiment among some pupils, but the same department deliberately avoided teaching the Crusades at Key Stage 3 (11-14-year-olds) because their balanced treatment of the topic would have directly challenged what was taught in some local mosques...



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by karl 12
"Are you suggesting the entire ´islam/holocaust denial´ issue is fiction?"


No, I know there are some who deny the Holocaust. I'm referring to the claim made in the OP.

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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Stop moving the goalposts. We are talking about the Daily Mail and its readers getting their knickers in knots screaming about how the 'Islamofascists' are corrupting the school system, and the entire country. Kind of like how you did when you heard about purely-voluntary Sharia courts operating in the UK, and though it was some massive erosion of our laws, and how we'll all be forced to abide by it.

It's all knee-jerk xenophobia of the highest calibre.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by dave420
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Stop moving the goalposts. We are talking about the Daily Mail and its readers getting their knickers in knots screaming about how the 'Islamofascists' are corrupting the school system, and the entire country.
It's all knee-jerk xenophobia of the highest calibre.


Oh? It's not just the Daily Mail. Check it out on BBC too. And other mainstream media. But then you may be right. The media is blowing all this crap around without any basis. Oh yeah. I should've known better. So most British newspapers etc are a load of rubbish - tabloids that we shouldn't even touch with a barge pole, what?


One of the world's leading Holocaust education centres has accused British school teachers of committing an "offence" against the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis by failing to teach the genocide properly due to political correctness.

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre used Holocaust Remembrance Day, which is today, to write an open letter to Alan Johnson, the Education Secretary, claiming it is "horrified" by a report funded by his department which revealed that teachers often avoided dealing with the Holocaust because they did not want to cause offence to children from other races or religions.


Oh, but this is all propaganda. "It's all knee-jerk xenophobia of the highest calibre", as you insist. Jeez! Nothing here guys. Let's move on. Case closed.

But before that, take a look here: 07 NOV 08. So this isn’t last year’s stuff! It’s today.

Survey looks into how Holocaust is taught:


guardian.co.uk, Friday November 7 2008 00.10 GMT

The first large scale national survey of how the Holocaust is taught in England's secondary schools is being launched today by the Institute of Education.
www.guardian.co.uk...


In other words no one seems sure whether it IS being taught or not or how, though it may have been introduced in the curriculum now.

So I suggest you do do a little homework before flying off the handle.


news.bbc.co.uk...
www.timesonline.co.uk...



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by dave420
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It's all knee-jerk xenophobia of the highest calibre.


Ah Dave at it again with the pychological projection about emotional kneejerk reactions I see.
I note you are still having trouble being objectively dispassionate about this rather emotive issue and just rather lazily claiming that a national newspaper is inherently bias will not acheive much.
Maybe a religious agenda is preventing you from denouncing various (undeniably ugly) aspects of extremist wahhabi islam but ,as I have told you before,I do not agree with painting all muslims (or any religious folk) with the same brush.
Holocaust history not being taught to some children in UK schools IS an issue-whos moving any goalposts?
As for you yet again screaming ´racism´in regard to religion,when will you accept that religion is an opinion based on speculation and conjecture and not a geographical location?

As for other issues you have utterly failed (or refuse) to criticise,condemn or denounce regarding extremist wahabbi islam like stonings,scaldings,amputations,wife beating and inherent bigotry, I hopefully will see you on their respective threads to discuss why you do not find such practises distastefull.


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posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 12:57 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




Originally posted by mikesingh

In other words no one seems sure whether it IS being taught or not or how, though it may have been introduced in the curriculum now.

So I suggest you do do a little homework before flying off the handle.


From the article you quote in the post this quote came from


Schools are required to teach the Holocaust under the national curriculum. But Dr Stuart Foster, reader in history in education at the IoE and the project's director, said little is known about teachers' attitudes and perceptions.


Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that says "Schools are required to teach the Holocaust under the national curriculum", doesn't it?

And if you check my post above, you'll find a link to the actual curriculum, and you can find the section referring to the Holocaust from there.

Who isn't doing their homework here Mike?


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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Agreed nef! I stand corrected. But was it removed in 2007 and reintroduced immediately after this created a furore? Secondly, is there any feedback/checks being made by the education deptt whether the curriculum is being followed in letter and spirit by schools? All the articles mention otherwise.

It's no point just having a curriculum with no way of knowing whether it is being followed or not!



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by FewWorldOrder
As nefermore points out with numerous sources, it is nothing more than Propaganda. Anti-muslim fear-mongering designed to foment resentment and hostility.


Are you suggesting the entire ´islam/holocaust denial´ issue is fiction?


Whether the Holcaust did/didn't happen isn't really relevant to the thread, I was referring to the Muslim/Anti-Holocaust bit, where government bodies think Muslims require special treatment, and are actively demanding it too. Apart from a few extremist idiots, and a guy with a hook for a hand, I don't think any other Muslim cares whether it is taught as part of the school curriculum.

Things are usually blown way out of proportion, and my issue is with those who think it's Muslims demanding this stuff. Just Google it, and you'll see the topic of Holocaust-denial is way more problematic with non-muslims rather than one idiot as leader of a nation spouting Anti-Israel crap. If you used that logic then, because of Bush, that would mean that ALL Americans are war-hungry, evil barbarians who get a kick out of murdering defenceless people in a country that they think is probably just off the coast of California.

Personally, I think the Holocaust did happen, but not in the way that the history books tell us.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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I cant believe you lot are discussing this. Get educated. Quoting tabliod news articals is not a way to prove facts.



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