I am white, and cannot voice my opinion about Obama

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Well you live and learn every day. I thought Obama's mother was white, so why not call him White? In any case all Europeans descend from an African woman who migrated north. I don't really see how his ancestry makes a difference. So far from what we have seen of Obama in the news in Australia he looks like a very reasonable and clued up man. He looks a lot more human than many other politicians. We saw how sensitive he can be after he lost his grandmother. I do not doubt that he feels for all Americans in need and just hope that he can achieve at least some of his promises. I wouldn't condemn if he cannot, since others before him haven't made it a perfect world. I think he is sincere and will try to make life better for his countrymen and that is what really counts.

The only person who I know that told me he was voting for Obama, blew his stack when I told him "everyone has the right to be wrong". His rant showed that in his allegedly open mind, he could not conceive of the idea of absolute truth or that people who believed in absolute truth did not have the right to express their opinions because they were "hateful".

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I live in Tampa Florida which went for Obama just barely and there is no shortage of people who are and have been criticizing Obama for months and months without being called a racist. I just had a discussion today with a guy who thinks Obama is a Marxist and nobody called him out for anything. Where do you live, Nazi Germany?

Mr. Obama won here in 2008 because he is the better man. I did not vote
but I was going for Obama all the way.
Yes I am white, and not a (Mcain) Bush supporter at all. We need change and not the same old republican agenda in this country that we have had for the last 8 years.
Mr. Obama will bring us change and respect back to this country, I Thank God for this. no joke we all need to get along and respect all.

Worse, I live in the California Bay Area. You know, the place where people can do anything they want. Like live in trees, have bike parades that block traffic, gay marriage, gang bangers of all types, etc.

I do see it subsiding a bit now. For the first week it was "all hail the new messiah", whites get ready to pick cotton etc. We'll see how it pans out.

As stated before, we're a retail type store (a place you can pay your PG&E bill, etc) so we get ALL walks of life.

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Sorry he is making his cabinet picks. The people he picks will be his advisors and will set the tone for the next 4 years. These people will study problems distill information and add their bias to their advice therefore WHO they are is very very important.

I am speaking from experience. I was head of Quality at a small company. I went head to head with the production manager over quality and safety issues. He was older and male, I was young and female. Despite data and evidence to support my side, the old guy would pull the president aside and sway his judgments in private after the meetings. No money was spent to upgrade the safety of the equipment. I quit in frustration Result? A week later the plant blew-up killing several!

I realize the president of a corporation and the president of the US are not the same, but both are inexperienced and both are relying on others for input before making decisions.

On the other issue: After the Equal Right Amendment was passed the same sort of behavior was seen. I met several blacks who considered it a free pass to easy street and saw no reason to study or work. Any criticism of their bullying or other behavior was trumped with the race card. I actually had to go head to head with a clique of black girls who were terrorizing my dorm. They decide they wanted it as an ALL black sorority
and were abusing white girls to get them to leave.

No I am not racist. My father was from Harlem and my mother was Muslim from Lebanon.

In what way is he the better man?

How will he change things?

Maybe Hillary can help him.

A nubian is a goat with very short or no ears. They are dairy goats of standard size. Anglo-Nubians can live in very hot climates and have a longer breeding season than other dairy goats.

The Nigerian Dwarf goat on the otherhand is a miniature dairy goat breed of West African ancestry. They are as cute as a button.
http//www.albc-usa.org/cpl/'n-word'ian.html

ask a stupid question, and a wisedonkey will answer it....

[edit on 27-11-2008 by crimvelvet]

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OK, here's a test (no comments on race, religion, et c.). Put down your pencils. :

Obama pledged to use (limited) public funding in his campaign, but accepted unlimited funds once he secured his party's nomination.

He campaigned on a ticket of "change," but has so far named only former Clinton appointees to his cabinet (Gates was Clinton's Sec. of the Navy).

He espoused the counsel of "rivals," citing Lincoln and the Joyce Kearns book he carried around.

He claimed devotion and faith, but deferred services after the election was settled in all state over gym workouts. (I didn't mention any religion, just noticed the change in performance).

He established a "no lobbyist" test for his Cabinet, but names Tim Geithner as Secretary of Treasury (Geithner did not go to Congress to get money for Citibank (lobbying), he gave them billions himself as N.Y. Fed chief (and got paid by them for it)--this may not be "lobbying in the technical sense, but he was definitely a compensated advocate, which is lobbying in the classic sense.

He vows an administrative of transparency and hope, but names Eric Holder as A.G. appointee. Holder was Clinton's deputy A. G. and signed off on a pardon for fugitive financier/illegal Iran oil-trader Marc Rich. Pardons were otherwise exclusively handled by a "Pardon" attorney at Justice, except Holder did this one personally after speaking with Rich's attoney, Quinn, who was formerly Clinton's attorney. The subsequent Congressional investigation/report was never acted on or considered by the Democratic Congress. Clean Hands?

All this, and he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Hell, we're not even 1 month post-election!


Ready, pick up your pencils, you may begin the test.

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If you are white, you just voiced your opinion about Obama [with rhetorical questions] and showed that it can be done without grave personal consequence. Obama will have a tough time with his presidency since he will be starting in a deep financial and global political hole dug by Dubya and the oil barons.
Personally, I will refrain from criticism of our new president until he takes office and shows what he can do. Arguing about cabinet choices now is premature --- we need to see the results that those choices will bring. Results are what counts for the majority of the American public.

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A rose is a rose by any other name. I find the change to "politically correct speak" utterly laughable. All it does is take a perfectly good word and make it into a swear word. It does nothing to change the persons underlying feelings. It just gives him another word to use to vent those feelings. Was that the reason for the language change?

When brother OBAMA fails to make all the blacks wealthy and instead brings famine to the USA I wonder how fast the blacks will turn on him and call him an "Uncle Tom"? Famine is very close so I am speaking realities here. USDA and FDA are targeting the rural poor especially the blacks for a land grab by the big Ag-corporations.

This thread show just how close to famine we will be if Obama make the wrong move when he choses the Sec of AG.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wow, all you did was tell someone that their own personal belief was wrong. How is that open minded? If you each have right to your own opinion, how does deciding that his is wrong come across as fair to you? Tell me something you have decided based on a deeply held set of beliefs, let me tell you that you are wrong and see how you feel about my open mind. In case you did not know, this is America and we vote. Obama won by a majority of the votes so I guess that means you were wrong anyway.

I applaud the autor to this thread! It wa magnifasent in it's simplicity! And all too true!

It seems like now polatics has turned into a Raiders and Broncos game (those who know; understand). I too, have fond the subject of polotics three times more difficult to talk about.

Again: applause to all those who feel that polotics might not be what it once was. The issue is polotics.. Not race! I'm not galavanting arond in a white sheet cos I don't agree with his decisions...

YAY. I applaud you for applauding the author. I can only hope the author is supported by more intelligent and well thought out posts like this one.

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When Obama first came on the scene I was all for him, then researched his associations and accomplishments.

WHY does he deserve the office of President ''

Every person that tried to promote him as "The one" to me was asked why are you voting for him --- their response was "CHANGE"

Where is the "CHANGE" --- more Washingtonians in place in his administration than Bush''

The only "CHANGE" you will see is what's left in your pocket when he is done''

Because this is a representative republic and the majority voted him in. If you do not like the way we chose our presidents, perhaps you should look for a different country that picks the one the minority of the people want or one where the leader chooses who will lead. I like that we get to vote every four years but I guess you do not understand how that all works?

No, YOU do not understand how it really works. I do not like the way we choose our presidents because the choice is not made by the public but by the big bucks behind the Candidate. The Candidate is then expected to STAY bought by the wealthy who financed him.

Here is an example using Agriculture from the 2002 Ag census:
There were 2,128,982 farms in 2002. (over 2 million)
1,817,594 had GROSS sales under $100,000 (poverty level after expenses)
240,746 had sales between $100,000 and $499,999
70,642 had sales over half a mill (these are the corporate farms 73,752 listed as Corp)


How do those 1.8 million just hanging in their farmers compete with Cargill, Monsanto, ConAgra and Walmart in influencing or choosing the politicos when just these 4 corporations contribute 11 million to campaign funds? Do you really think a group of farmers has any influence? I KNOW we do not after the fight against NAIS. IF Obama does not support NAIS then I will believe the Corporation do not pick and choose our government leaders.

From Farm%20Bill%20April%202007.pdf

I am now going to pull one of those "go into the thread without reading any responses at all, and drop a one liner in response to the OP" posts- how disgusting- but I just can't resist.

I am white and I can voice my opinion about Obama any damn time I want to.

Ahh, good to get that off my chest. Proceed.

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When you talk about the fema trailers and all of that - don't put it on Obama - BUSH is the one who had all of that done.

Bush is the person to blame for the things that are coming down on us, not Obama.

It seems blame is being put on Obama, before he is even in office.