I am white, and cannot voice my opinion about Obama, page 5

Originally posted by Grand Puba

Let's get off this "Obama is half white" thing! In america being so-called "half white" has always meant that you're black!

I will agree that in the past, being half or even "part" black made you black. Period. Historically, this was so.

However, this is not the past. It is the present. America has changed.

One thing I took away from the endless analysis of the polls and who voted for Obama is that white America did not use race as its standard. If you look at the crowds for Obama, you see in many cities a sea of white faces.

Women voters, disappointed at not having their female candidate, Hillary, given the Democratic nomination, did NOT as was hoped for by the Republican party, vote with their genitalia and support Sarah Palin.

www.usnews.com...

Overall, 53 percent of the national electorate this year was female, according to exit poll data. Women overall voted 56 to 43 percent for Obama; men voted 49 to 48 percent for him.

Some of these women were like my neighbor. 82 years old, she has seen the worst of sexism in this country. She has been forced out of jobs for being married, she has campaigned tirelessly for women rights. She was born just a few short years after women gained the right to vote in this country, (which black men had won many years before I might add.) She overlooked her disappointment at women having to wait, yet again, to be served last at the table and not only voted for Obama, but knocked on doors, and served as a ballot judge, and worked a 12 hour day at 82 on election day to make sure the election was fair to Obama and Democrats as a whole.

She knows the odds of her ever seeing a woman President virtually disappeared with his nomination. She did not let this stop her from doing what she felt was best for her country, working for the best man in the race.

America has changed. Many of us born AFTER the social revolution of the 60's are not racist now, and in fact, we have never been racist. Same with many men born after the 60's, they are not now, nor have they ever been sexist. I realize that there are many born before the 60's still alive, and for them the pain of the past is still palpable. However, just like with technology, you need to keep up. It is your responsibility to move out of the past into the future with us, not ours to continually revisit the past with you.

I think racism and even sexism are not completely dead. There are now and always will be those who refuse to let it go. Both black and white and everything in between. However the majority of Americans are past it. It is being kept alive not only by the older generation who were invested in those beliefs, but in the younger generation who have NOT suffered the indignity of being sent to the back of buses and being refused accommodation in hotel rooms, or being fired for getting married, by those who cannot let go of their historical victimization and move forward.

America has spoken. This is NOT the America of the past, whether people want to accept that or not, and it has been building in this direction for a long time, all of my natural life, it is not a sudden change. It is time to let go of the "blanket" of victimization, as comforting as it is to have that role, and that excuse for failure, and take responsibility for your own destiny. It is also time for some to let go of their own racism towards whites that seems to make them feel entitled to judge all white people on the actions of some whites in the past. My experience of this election has been that most of the racist talk has not been coming from whites, but blacks. They are the ones who insist on labeling the American president elect the "black" President, when for most of us, he is just Mr. President. He is the leader not of black America, but ALL Americans.

Come join us in 2008. It is a lot nicer here than the past, not only for blacks, but for everyone.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by Grand Puba

Let's get off this "Obama is half white" thing! In america being so-called "half white" has always meant that you're black!

I will agree that in the past, being half or even "part" black made you black. Period. Historically, this was so.

However, this is not the past. It is the present. America has changed.

One thing I took away from the endless analysis of the polls and who voted for Obama is that white America did not use race as its standard. If you look at the crowds for Obama, you see in many cities a sea of white faces.

Women voters, disappointed at not having their female candidate, Hillary, given the Democratic nomination, did NOT as was hoped for by the Republican party, vote with their genitalia and support Sarah Palin.

www.usnews.com...

Overall, 53 percent of the national electorate this year was female, according to exit poll data. Women overall voted 56 to 43 percent for Obama; men voted 49 to 48 percent for him.

Some of these women were like my neighbor. 82 years old, she has seen the worst of sexism in this country. She has been forced out of jobs for being married, she has campaigned tirelessly for women rights. She was born just a few short years after women gained the right to vote in this country, (which black men had won many years before I might add.) She overlooked her disappointment at women having to wait, yet again, to be served last at the table and not only voted for Obama, but knocked on doors, and served as a ballot judge, and worked a 12 hour day at 82 on election day to make sure the election was fair to Obama and Democrats as a whole.

She knows the odds of her ever seeing a woman President virtually disappeared with his nomination. She did not let this stop her from doing what she felt was best for her country, working for the best man in the race.

America has changed. Many of us born AFTER the social revolution of the 60's are not racist now, and in fact, we have never been racist. Same with many men born after the 60's, they are not now, nor have they ever been sexist. I realize that there are many born before the 60's still alive, and for them the pain of the past is still palpable. However, just like with technology, you need to keep up. It is your responsibility to move out of the past into the future with us, not ours to continually revisit the past with you.

I think racism and even sexism are not completely dead. There are now and always will be those who refuse to let it go. Both black and white and everything in between. However the majority of Americans are past it. It is being kept alive not only by the older generation who were invested in those beliefs, but in the younger generation who have NOT suffered the indignity of being sent to the back of buses and being refused accommodation in hotel rooms, or being fired for getting married, by those who cannot let go of their historical victimization and move forward.

America has spoken. This is NOT the America of the past, whether people want to accept that or not, and it has been building in this direction for a long time, all of my natural life, it is not a sudden change. It is time to let go of the "blanket" of victimization, as comforting as it is to have that role, and that excuse for failure, and take responsibility for your own destiny. It is also time for some to let go of their own racism towards whites that seems to make them feel entitled to judge all white people on the actions of some whites in the past. My experience of this election has been that most of the racist talk has not been coming from whites, but blacks. They are the ones who insist on labeling the American president elect the "black" President, when for most of us, he is just Mr. President. He is the leader not of black America, but ALL Americans.

Come join us in 2008. It is a lot nicer here than the past, not only for blacks, but for everyone.

Where to start...

America set the standard that one drop of black blood makes you black! It's called the one drop rule! Google it and learn!

Half black/ half white people in america are black people! End of story!

2nd) You have zero evidence that blacks voted for obama in such high %'s because he was black! Your assumption is racist!

3rd) White racism is on the rise! KKK and other white racist group membership is climbing in 2008! Go check the governments own statistics! Google it!

Come join us in 2008, where even with a black president, white supremacy grows stronger!

Peace!

Originally posted by Grand Puba

America set the standard that one drop of black blood makes you black! It's called the one drop rule! Google it and learn!

I am willing to bet that I know more about the history of oppression in this country than you do. Why? Because I did not stop at the oppression of my OWN kind, I looked at the oppression of ALL types of people.

Originally posted by Grand Puba
2nd) You have zero evidence that blacks voted for obama in such high %'s because he was black! Your assumption is racist!

Since I did not say that blacks voted in such high numbers for Obama because of his race, your assumption displays an unwillingness to read without bias.

Black voters traditionally vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Regardless of the candidate. My point was that there is no evidence in the polls that show that women used sex as an excuse to not to Vote for Obama, nor is there evidence that white males used race as an excuse not to vote for Obama. White males voted in higher percentage for Obama than for Kerry in 2004.

Originally posted by Grand Puba
3rd) White racism is on the rise! KKK and other white racist group membership is climbing in 2008! Go check the governments own statistics! Google it!

Come join us in 2008, where even with a black president, white supremacy grows stronger!

Peace!

The interesting thing about numbers is that you have to put them in context, if you dont you can draw some erroneous conclusions.


www.usatoday.com...

Levin estimates fewer than 50,000 people are members of white supremacist groups, but he says their influence is growing with a more sophisticated approach.

From 2006 to 2007, the number of such groups rose by 5% to 888, says the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which tracks them through news reports and other sources. The number is up 48% since 2000.

50,000 people in a country of 305603000 is a very small percentage. Do the math.

What is the increase in membership in groups that support discrimination or racist attitudes towards whites?

Being black does not give you a monopoly on being discriminated against.

When I applied for my first job in construction I was told to my face, "We have never had a woman and we never will."

However in America we have laws. I used those laws to open that door and walk through. I was isolated, insulted, given the crappiest jobs, teased, ignored, passed over for promotion, and they did everything in their power to break my will and run me off. I didnt run. I worked harder, ate my lunch alone if need be, and performed better than any of my co-workers at my level consistently until they could not justify treating me that way any more. I also fought them on it every step of the way. When I was passed over I went in and fought. When I was harassed, I fought back. Not always by complaining up the chain, I didnt want to be seen as calling the big dogs in to fight my battles, I fought them myself. It was a rough couple years till I won. But I did win. One of my harshest critics eventually told me he hoped his daughter grew up to be just like me. Some of those guys today are my oldest friends. I didnt succumb to their sexism nor did I let it change me for the worst. When they were against me I fought them, and when they had a change of heart, I accepted it.

And racism? I grew up in Hawaii. There is racism in Hawaii too, but against whites more than any other group. I had someone or several someones (as jumping in groups was a big thing where I am from,) perpetrate physical violence against me on nearly a weekly basis. The last day of school in Hawaii is called "Kill Haole Day" and in my little town there werent many of us. I had things thrown at me, people spit at me, hit me, threatened to kill me, called me names that for me carry the same emotional charge as the n-word, so I know about racial violence and discrimination.

en.wikipedia.org...

I also was raised in foster care. And the people who loved me, and took care of me were the same ethnicity as the people who hated me. I learned that you cannot yourself discriminate based on race just because some discriminate against you for that reason. My foster parents just told me to fight back. I did. I understand racism. I understand sexism. What I also understand is that there is a real danger that if you allow hate to make you a hater, you become the very thing you despise.


I also understand that despite my experiences, personal ones, not historical events that happened to someone else, this is a great country. And people, most people, are not evil. Even when they act in ways that are or seem evil, they usually do so for reasons that are very human, and if you get to know most people you will find them to be more like you than not. Even in Hawaii, even in my little rural town, it has gotten better.

This doesnt mean you shouldnt fight those who ARE discriminating towards you, what it means is that you should not judge ALL people of one type based on your past, or a historical past. You need to fight the people who are forcing you to fight, and you need to look with a clear eye at who those individual people are. I would not have the family I have, the friends I have, and the life I have if I had let anything that happened to me make me paint people with a broad brush.

People do change. Countries do change. Attitudes and prejudices do change. You have to make sure you are not the one keeping the old evils alive.








[edit on 8-11-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by Grand Puba

America set the standard that one drop of black blood makes you black! It's called the one drop rule! Google it and learn!

I am willing to bet that I know more about the history of oppression in this country than you do. Why? Because I did not stop at the oppression of my OWN kind, I looked at the oppression of ALL types of people.

Originally posted by Grand Puba
2nd) You have zero evidence that blacks voted for obama in such high %'s because he was black! Your assumption is racist!

Since I did not say that blacks voted in such high numbers for Obama because of his race, your assumption displays an unwillingness to read without bias.

Black voters traditionally vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Regardless of the candidate. My point was that there is no evidence in the polls that show that women used sex as an excuse to not to Vote for Obama, nor is there evidence that white males used race as an excuse not to vote for Obama. White males voted in higher percentage for Obama than for Kerry in 2004.

Originally posted by Grand Puba
3rd) White racism is on the rise! KKK and other white racist group membership is climbing in 2008! Go check the governments own statistics! Google it!

Come join us in 2008, where even with a black president, white supremacy grows stronger!

Peace!

The interesting thing about numbers is that you have to put them in context, if you dont you can draw some erroneous conclusions.


www.usatoday.com...

Levin estimates fewer than 50,000 people are members of white supremacist groups, but he says their influence is growing with a more sophisticated approach.

From 2006 to 2007, the number of such groups rose by 5% to 888, says the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which tracks them through news reports and other sources. The number is up 48% since 2000.

50,000 people in a country of 305603000 is a very small percentage. Do the math.

What is the increase in membership in groups that support discrimination or racist attitudes towards whites?

Being black does not give you a monopoly on being discriminated against.

When I applied for my first job in construction I was told to my face, "We have never had a woman and we never will."

However in America we have laws. I used those laws to open that door and walk through. I was isolated, insulted, given the crappiest jobs, teased, ignored, passed over for promotion, and they did everything in their power to break my will and run me off. I didnt run. I worked harder, ate my lunch alone if need be, and performed better than any of my co-workers at my level consistently until they could not justify treating me that way any more. I also fought them on it every step of the way. When I was passed over I went in and fought. When I was harassed, I fought back. Not always by complaining up the chain, I didnt want to be seen as calling the big dogs in to fight my battles, I fought them myself. It was a rough couple years till I won. But I did win. One of my harshest critics eventually told me he hoped his daughter grew up to be just like me. Some of those guys today are my oldest friends. I didnt succumb to their sexism nor did I let it change me for the worst. When they were against me I fought them, and when they had a change of heart, I accepted it.

And racism? I grew up in Hawaii. There is racism in Hawaii too, but against whites more than any other group. I had someone or several someones (as jumping in groups was a big thing where I am from,) perpetrate physical violence against me on nearly a weekly basis. The last day of school in Hawaii is called "Kill Haole Day" and in my little town there werent many of us. I had things thrown at me, people spit at me, hit me, threatened to kill me, called me names that for me carry the same emotional charge as the n-word, so I know about racial violence and discrimination.

en.wikipedia.org...

I also was raised in foster care. And the people who loved me, and took care of me were the same ethnicity as the people who hated me. I learned that you cannot yourself discriminate based on race just because some discriminate against you for that reason. My foster parents just told me to fight back. I did. I understand racism. I understand sexism. What I also understand is that there is a real danger that if you allow hate to make you a hater, you become the very thing you despise.


I also understand that despite my experiences, personal ones, not historical events that happened to someone else, this is a great country. And people, most people, are not evil. Even when they act in ways that are or seem evil, they usually do so for reasons that are very human, and if you get to know most people you will find them to be more like you than not. Even in Hawaii, even in my little rural town, it has gotten better.

This doesnt mean you shouldnt fight those who ARE discriminating towards you, what it means is that you should not judge ALL people of one type based on your past, or a historical past. You need to fight the people who are forcing you to fight, and you need to look with a clear eye at who those individual people are. I would not have the family I have, the friends I have, and the life I have if I had let anything that happened to me make me paint people with a broad brush.

People do change. Countries do change. Attitudes and prejudices do change. You have to make sure you are not the one keeping the old evils alive.








[edit on 8-11-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Well at least you're on the same sheet of music now, but you're hitting all the wrong notes!

The numbers may not be majority numbers, but hate group members are the MOST extreme of racists!

What about the more mainstream racists? (i.e. Your racist assumption that blacks voted for obama because he's black!)

***You went into how women didn't vote for their genetils for a reason, right? You were infering that blacks voted on their organs! (Skin is human beings biggest organ!) That was racist!***

As a woman who has been discriminated do you still fight for women or did/do you only fight when it's in your own personal intrest?

With Obama as president black people only have something like 1.7% of elected officials!

Can you agree that blacks have basically ZERO political power?

There is a fight for freedom and justice going on and we can't fall for the america has changed nonsense!

Peace!

[edit on 8-11-2008 by Grand Puba]

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by knows_but_doesnt

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I had posted once previously but I had to add - you do see the irony of posting this opinion thread about not being able to voice your opinion, yes? Again, I simply ask, who/what/ is stopping you?

ColoradoJens

Trust me when I say nothing is stopping me, and I do continue to always voice my opinion when I feel like it. People are even calling him the "Messiah" as if he's going to somehow save the world. And I agree with a lot of people about letting him get in office for awhile etc. But still, it's just weird to immeidately have to deal with the race card when talking about him as a "politician".

I'll try to respond to all the other posts soon as I just got back today.

Originally posted by TKainZero
reply to post by knows_but_doesnt

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I feel for you.


You mean, the nice citizens of San Fransico, and now mad at your, because you no longer agree with them???



This has nothing to do with Obama, but only with the Goose-stepers that follow him.

We are going to see more of this then ever.

Intimidation of free speech.
Alination if you do not conform

If your not a voting ObamaCrat, then you might be in trouble...

Did you see the Gay Facists going crazy the last couple days in California.

The only ones bringing up Race are the Obama supports.

Race, was one of the MAIN pillars of the Obama platform. This is not an argueable point.

Intimidation is going to become a BIG political entity in America. Its been happening this election cycle, and its only increasing.

Places like San Fransicko are the center of this, and where we will see the biggest, and first signs of this new evil.

Agreed, we see it starting here first.

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