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reply posted on 13-1-2009 @ 11:39 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by SW phsyco



I've looked at both pics as big as they will go, and it's definitely not an F-117. It's all wrong from any angle. I don't know if it's a real project, but there is no doubt in my mind that it definitely is NOT a Nighthawk.



reply posted on 9-3-2009 @ 07:30 AM by f3rm1N
It seems to have been concluded in this thread

(
www.abovetopsecret.com... )

that that craft is a TR-3B, I've experienced one myself about 8-9 years ago while attending at the F.A.E. ( Ecuadorian Air Force ) in Ecuador.


reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 07:00 AM by stratsys-sws
reply to post by f3rm1N



Why on earth does that thread conclude anything?

The only absolute conclusions I can draw from this thread are

1. The OP has provided original EXIF data, which shows the file was at least opened or resized in Photoshop Elements (not the pro version of PS, the basic home version) Based on this it may have been edited to add a fake object, or simply resized.

2. The photo's were taken in the vicinity of tonopah/groom, verified by Whitesides Hill in the background.

3. The airframe is definitely not that of an F-117 due to the shape and also the date of the photo being after the last flight of a nighthawk.

OP, could you not copy the file from the camera flash card directly in to an email, or somewhere online without opening it? I understand that even opening a file and resizing in PS Elements would leave a trace on the JPEG stored on your HDD but surely the original on the flash card should be left unchanged? Most people would copy the files from the camera to their HDD before doing anything to them, therefore the original should be intact.



Cheers

Robbie


reply posted on 30-3-2009 @ 09:30 AM by Zaphod58
reply to post by crisko



Where do you get "operate underwater" from? You have heard of the P-3 and S-3 right? Both of those have an antisubmarine mission.


reply posted on 1-4-2009 @ 04:03 AM by stratsys-sws
reply to post by Zaphod58



Well said Zaphod, the Irony of that poster laughing at your post when it was really them making a fool of themselves amused me!#

Cheers

Robbie


reply posted on 11-9-2010 @ 02:12 PM by Aim64C
My honest opinion (if anyone cares to hear it)

Hoax.

The 'aircraft' just doesn't fit.

Furthermore, 'we' don't test this stuff where people can just whip out a camera and take a picture of it flying within visual range from the ground. I firmly believe governments are incompetent. Thankfully, programs such as this only rely on government spending, and like to keep their distance from the steaming pile of incompetence.

For the last time - the aircraft in the picture is not an F-117, for God's sake. I'm losing faith in humanity with each post that says "looks like an F-117!" I'll rant a bit - the F-117, great for its time, was a product of compromise. Computers didn't have the processing capability to simulate radar return dynamics on curved surfaces. Although we'll not even approach the difficulty imposed on even this by the fact that no radar beam is 'flat' to begin with. So, they could compute a bunch of flat, faceted edges. Remember old computer/console games? Same idea - they built what they could work with in a computer.

The F-117 was an out-dated airframe not ten years after it was flown. We had the technological capability to develop the curved surfaces used today - the B-2, F-23, F-22, etc. We would not be building 'updated' versions of the F-117 anymore than we'd be building upgraded versions of vacuum tube radios. We've got far better things to build.

That said - I don't doubt there is a -similar- type of airframe to the 'aurora.' It doesn't take the brightest cookie in the tool-shed to figure out a 'sharp triangle' is better at going fast than 'box wings.' I don't have a degree - I'm not going to try and make it sound like you need twenty years of schooling to realize the pointy airplane can fly faster, especially if it has much larger and menacing looking jet-blasts coming out of the back of it.

I expect there have been several research-oriented airframes designed that would fit the description of the "aurora." Steak knives are serrated, butter knives aren't sharp. Fast-flying planes will have some features they share in common, even if they are completely different models completed under different contracts.

As for the "aurora" - whatever prompted the original concept is older than I am. I recently 'decommissioned' a bunch of communications gear that was built about that same time - it had sat in storage for half an eternity before it finally was stricken from inventory. Whatever the 'original aurora' was is ancient and probably gone, broken up as per OIC and personnel instructions and sent to the facilities that handle disposal of classified materials.

And for God's sake, even if the photo is 'real' - there's very little that can be learned from it. There are no distinct features, other than some weir 'lobes' (which could be anything from ground-search radars to star-trek warp cores or portals to Mario World) - which are really nothing more than pixels colored more lightly than the rest of the subject image. There's pretty much nothing to use as a scaling reference (not that there is in real photos of aircraft, in many cases - stuff in the sky is just difficult to tell how big it actually is). So it could be anything from a paper airplane to Jean-Luc Picard in the Enterprise. It could also be anywhere between five feet and fifty kilometers away.

At best - it's a pointy airplane. It goes fast. There's only a hundred declassified documents showing funding for aircraft meeting such criteria.
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