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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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Remember what nice things you said about Obama and the promise he is bringing to the US as of January 20th 2009.

Copy all those thoughts and statements you have made into a Word file and keep it safe.

Let's all re-visit those comments 4 years from now, in addition to a copy of his election promises, and see where we stand.




posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 07:31 PM
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I can only add I will be able to say that I was one of the
people trying to get the sheeple to see the red flags (pun intended).

I will be glad to point out that I was one of the first responders to
this thread.

it's 11/06/2008


His choice Thursday for White House chief of staff — Rahm
Emanuel, a fiery partisan who doesn't mind breaking glass and hurting
feelings — is a significant departure from the soft-spoken, low-key aides
that "No-Drama Obama" has surrounded himself with during his campaign.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Emanuel is known as a foul-mouthed practitioner of brass-
knuckled politics who relishes both conflict and publicity. He once mailed a dead fish to a political foe.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


news.yahoo.com...]Source



The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a
staggering $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less.
Only $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama
campaign has identified.

It is the largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded into the
U.S. election system, before or after the McCain-Feingold campaign
finance reforms of 2002.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama
campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified
as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas.

Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.”

A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest
master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for
Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.

In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Similarly, a donor identified as “Pro, Doodad,” from “Nando, NY,”
gave $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most
of these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as “Loving” and his
profession as “You,” just as Good Will had done.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


www.newsmax.com...]Source

You heard it here first





posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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I think this is a great idea. Others have also expressed an interest to do so. Maybe our efforts could be consolidated into one central repository?



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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More on this guy Rahm Emanuel.



“Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same
partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned
our politics for so long,” Obama said in his election night
speech.

Yet as his first personnel decision, Obama chose a man known
as “Rahmbo” because of his hyper-partisan, bare-knuckle
tactics that were honed in Chicago-style politics.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Following the 1992 campaign, Emanuel met with Clinton
campaign advisers to discuss which politicians and members of
the press they would retaliate against. Grabbing his steak
knife, Emanuel shouted out to George Stephanopoulos and others
at the meeting the name of another enemy. He then lifted the
knife, brought it down with full force into the table, and
screamed, “Dead!”

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



The chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, Emanuel
voted with Democrats 98 percent of the time in 2007.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Source

Sounds like a real nice guy.

A non-partisan unifier.

I wonder how bad it will get.

The thing that keeps haunting me from Obamas victory speach
is the part where he said "I'll be your president too"

something sinister in that, I'm not sure why but it scares me.


(fixed link)

[edit on 11/8/2008 by AlienChaser]



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Retseh
Let's all re-visit those comments 4 years from now, in addition to a copy of his election promises, and see where we stand.


I'm not sure how different this will be from anyelection then. I mean, what politician does keep their promises?



posted on Nov, 8 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Retseh Let's all re-visit those comments 4 years from now, in addition to a copy of his election promises, and see where we stand.


I'd like to see this go both ways...from those who think Obama walks on water to those who think he is the (red) devil incarnate. It would be interesting to see how some of the most over-the-top comments reflect reality, in retrospect. Maybe somebody can set up an archive, and we can serve it up 4 years from now with a big bottle of ketchup. Mind you, I'd like to see the original posters' names attached.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:42 AM
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Redistribution of wealth.
Coming soon to a hard worker like you!


RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been
conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’
personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs —
and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security
Administration

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of
economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research
in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and
criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and
Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax
breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as
IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and
convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts
(GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Ghilarducci’s plan first appeared in a paper for the
Economic Policy Institute: Agenda for Shared Prosperity on
Nov. 20, 2007, in which she said GRAs will rescue the flawed
American retirement income system
(www.sharedprosperity.org/bp204/bp204.pdf).

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Can you say welfare state??



On July 31, 2008, Robert Greenstein, executive director
of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, testified
before the subcommittee on workforce protections that “from
the standpoint of equal treatment of people with different
incomes, there is a fundamental flaw” in tax code incentives
because they are “provided in the form of deductions,
exemptions, and exclusions rather than in the form of
refundable tax credits.”

Even people who don’t pay taxes should get money from the
government, paid for by higher-income Americans, he said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Click for the whole article




I want to keep the money I worked so hard for, I do NOT want
to have it forcibly taken from me and "redistributed"
to someone who didn't work for it just so we all have equal
amounts. Heres why socialism doesn't work.

Joe worker works hard every day and makes a decent living
Joe saves and only buys what fits his budget, and keeps
going to work with a drive to succeed and to provide.

Bob has no job but he is honestly trying to find work.

The Government steps in and says it's not fair that Joe has
all these things and yet Bob is having a hard time
making ends meet so the government decides it's only fair
to take a percentage of Joes' hard earned money and "redistribute" it to Bob. Joe does not agree to this but he
was never asked for his input, so a part of Joes check is
"stolen" and given to Bob.

Joe keeps working because he has to support his family.
Bob now has the money to support his and decides to spend
more time with his kids.

Joe takes a second job to replace what was "redistributed"
to Bob. Because of this Bob now recieves more of the money
that Joe worked for and Bob buys a new TV for his family.

Bob loses the ambition to look for work because he is living
comfortably. Bob is now fully dependant on the government.

Joe is Bobs neighbor and has observed this cycle. Joe wants
what Bob has so he quits his job and joins Bob for afternoon
cook outs, their kids play together and they happily recieve
the government handout that is now paid for by Susan. Susan
has just taken a second job to replace the percentage of her
income that was "redistributed".....

This scenario is only one of the reasons why socialism
ALWAYS fails.



Even people who don’t pay taxes should get money from
the government, paid for by higher-income Americans, he said.


--Robert Greenstein




posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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He is just another politician.
Why do you care so much?
Its just the same thing re hashed.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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Always a good idea to keep track of these things.

However, I sense from the OP that the intention of such a list is to play some sort of "gotcha" type game with Obama voters, and that is not a good thing at all.

If you think that Obama is destined to fail, and those that voted for him should be held accountable, you are doing what most conservative talk radio shows do. You are jumping to a highly negative conclusion based on speculation. Wrong approach to life.

(If you disagree with me -- note I do the exact same thing in the above paragraph. It is annoying, isn't it?)

If I am wrong, I will apologize. Same goes for my vote with Obama. But first, I need some tangible proof or indication that I am actually wrong!

[edit on 9-11-2008 by Buck Division]



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by Retseh
Let's all re-visit those comments 4 years from now, in addition to a copy of his election promises, and see where we stand.


I'm not sure how different this will be from anyelection then. I mean, what politician does keep their promises?


But itsnt that why people voted for him? The promises he made? The CHANGES he would make?

Why else would he have been voted in???

He said: "I will do this and that...I will make change" and people said: "yeah, I will vote for you".



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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Has Socialism failed in Europe?



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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Sorry! We have been "going into Socialism" for years. It's better than a dictatorship. And "Bob" will not get money for long! Think about it.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
But itsnt that why people voted for him? The promises he made? The CHANGES he would make?

Why else would he have been voted in???

He said: "I will do this and that...I will make change" and people said: "yeah, I will vote for you".


Not really, things rarely happen for a single reason. People wanted change no matter what Obama might have or might have not promised in the way of change. America, like Britain, is ostensibly two party politics. This leads to a 'see saw' effect where one party goes down and the other goes up. People rarely look for a real alternative - which would be one of the 'third' parties.

Also, perhaps understandably, there was a lot of people that also voted on racial lines. There was also some die-hard Democrat voters who'd have voted for a clockwork chicken if it had a Democrat rosette stuck to it. That kind of voter appears in all the political demographics - there would be Republicans willing to do the same too.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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No matter how poorly Obama could potentially do who is to say McCain would not have done worse? I’ll play this game of “I told you so” if you give me the name of another politician who is working as a governor or senator or in congress that you support.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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McCain didn't promise re-direction, we all know where those policies lead us because we are there now.

This would be a rational analysis of a major political shift 4 years in the future, if you can't imagine such a thing without saying "well what about McCain", then you're totally on the wrong page.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:13 PM
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Since you won’t give me a name of someone you support I won’t be “remembering” anything for you, or listening to any “I told you so”. Also McCain did promise change and redirection, he said he and his other “maverick” were going to change Washington and the way it is ran.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage
 

This would be a rational analysis of a major political shift 4 years in the future, if you can't imagine such a thing without saying "well what about McCain", then you're totally on the wrong page.


Point taken.

However, your OP says "remember what nice things YOU said about Obama". A more neutral opening would have been something like "remember what nice things WERE said", and then nobody would be defensive, including me.

No big deal. As I said earlier, it is a great idea to keep track of things like this.

For example, I recently saw early clips of the Carter campaign, and was amazed how the perception of Carter changed from hopeful to dismal.

Following the Nixon years, people were looking for someone different and cool, like Jimmy Carter. We all know how that disintegrated!

I don't think that will happen to Obama, but we will all find out the truth eventually. I am hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst.



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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When peoples pocketbooks comtinue to get raped to pay for social programs that only backfire, then and only then will anyone realise that the Change they wanted is in the wrong direction. If we don't see training and education in all facits of our workforce and see jobs comming back into the country instead of out, people will see that once again we have been hornswoggled. We are loosing our ability to produce any heavy industry in this country. We are loosing our ability to use ingenuity to promote small business. It won't be I told you so..It will be .."Damn, Screwed Again"!!!

Zindo



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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Don't you all have something better to do than hoping that your President and country fails and suffers? Eckkk....



posted on Nov, 9 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Who I support is completely irrelevant, but since you ask I would have voted for Obama, but since I chose not to vote as I detested both candidates and their agendas, it's doubly irrelevant.

It's obvious that you're still stuck in defensive leftist mode, you can't even entertain the possibility that Obama could end up causing more damage to the US than someone like Bush.

When you break free of those constraints, call back.



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