so his plan is to cut pumping oil into the emergency reserves???

questions:
How much oil is in the reserves anyway?
Have we ever used oil from the emergency reserves?
If yes, when?

i do think we should spend more money and effort in alternate fuels...but i don't know about this emergency oil reserve thing.

ok..so that was in 2000...i would have to assume they repaid the debt by now...it did say 1 year later.

depending on how much oil is in the reserves and how often we tap those resources...it may not be a bad idea to stop pumping oil in it, if only temporarily to give us a reprieve from the high gas prices....

I edited after you posted, with info on the resrve as of 3.04.

Actually, this is the part that confuses me the most. It doesn't seem doable. Where's the plan?
Kerry:

"Instead of secret energy meetings and drilling in the Alaskan wilderness, we're going to have a real energy plan for America," Kerry said. "Under my plan, America will be energy independent from Mideast oil in 10 years, the fuels of the future will be less expensive, cleaner, and our young men and women will never have to fight and die for foreign oil."

And, FWIW:

Current gasoline prices are at record levels in constant dollars, but not when inflation is taken into account. Using today's dollar, motorists paid the equivalent of $2.90 a gallon in March 1981, the government has said.

Gas is high, but not compared to 1981, or other countries today.

thanks for the update...umm but what does "sweet" and "sour" mean in those references?

and i do think by this summer we will be seeing high prices comparable to those of 1981.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
You may be right about those prices igh>, but I just saw in one of those articles that it would probably go down before the election.

[Edited on 30-3-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

thank you for the lesson

I wonder why it would go down before elections? that seems kind of strange...especially since the Saudis are planning to cut back on production and raise prices...maybe it's a ploy for the Bush campaign?...sorry that was reach...

i think usually in the fall and winter months, gas prices traditionally drop..due to less summer travel..vacations, road trips etc.

I think that one of the best things we can do is continue to research and develop better and cleaner burning Energy sources. as well as use our own Oil sources like Alaska. And maybe not worry so much about the calving caribou, polar bears, musk oxen,
But I would not believe any thing that Kerry says he has flipped flopped all over the place on all kinds of issues. This guy will tell any one any thing to get them to vote for him! With Kerry you have to read between the lines a lot. Next week he will say the opposite of what he saying now.
President Bush knows drilling in Alaska will lessen our dependance on oil imports. This will reduce the cost of light sweet crude oil a little. ( although not much ) this will help Americans in the long run and our president knows this very well. And I have complete faith in his decisions. If we are smart we will drill get the oil protect the enviroment and make some money for further energy research at the same time.
Kerry is a pacifier he really has no clue about the energy game. President Bush has been in the oil trade all his life and knows a lot more than Kerry ever will. Kerry shoud stick to something he understands like spreading his katchup on his hamburger!!! LOL!! We could repay those reserves quick with the oil from Alaska. ANd never take a hit on it it at all. Man i hope this makes sence.

Originally posted by KillerT
President Bush has been in the oil trade all his life and knows a lot more than Kerry ever will.

And how many of his ventures were succesful?

Flip flopping again and again - when is the American public gonna get wise to this guy,

In February 2000, Kerry Said Release Of Oil From The Strategic Petroleum Reserves Would Not Be “Relevant.” “Without being specific, Kerry, a key member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, suggested the US could retaliate economically in other trade areas. He also said he does not want a release of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. A release ‘is not relevant. It would take months for the oil to get to the market,’ he said.” (Cathy Landry, “US Energy Chief Warns Of Gasoline Crisis,” Platt’s Oilgram News, 2/17/00)

What's this junk..." I'm going to stand up for
students and middle-class families
and all those who need relief at the pump"

'standing up' means Zilch as far as policy or gas production, distribution & cost/price dymanics

? students & middle-class= sounds like pandering 2 me

~~~~~~~~~~~

years ago, during the last severe fuel/oil/gas crisis
the govt tried to control prices (& wages too)
it ammounted to a disaster

and here we go again, Kerry suggests his 'plan'
will be better than market forces of free enterprise.
and his 'plan' will be the 'majick bullit' to cure the
petroleum based economy 'ills' in only 10 years!

oh well, everything goes round in cycles, i guess
its Kerrys' turn

[although i'm still on the Nader bandwagon for 2004]



[Edited on 31-3-2004 by riffraffalunas]

Kerry talked about this exhaustively in the debates. There's a hand in hand correlation to some of his American produced corn and electric alternative initiatives and some of the thousands of jobs he wants to start in this country.

Whether you, I or Bush or Cheney like it...even whether or not we elect Kerry... this country is going HYBRID eventually.

Oil is an unreplenishable resource. Period. These nickel and dime debates always make me laugh.

Whether we adjust now or kicking and screaming later, liberal ideals on energy are the future and oil is the past. You can't deny it. You can't even make an argument against it. All Conservatives do is prolong the inevitable, making things worse and worse in the future for a few dollars today.

This isn't even so much pro-Kerry as sincere unabashed and agasp bewonderment that ANYONE would think Bush's ties to oil makes him the expert to do what's right for the country. That's insane.

Why not make a drug dealer Drug Czar? Or appoint a wife beater to head the National Organization of Women? I mean they know what they're doing? No, I guess it's more like making a bank robber head of the Treasury. If Bush isn't a conflict of interest what the hell is?

Seriously... all you "no nonsense" Kerry haters... explain that. What the hell WOULD be considered a conflict of interest if not an oil man making energy policy?

Originally posted by RANT
Whether you, I or Bush or Cheney like it...even whether or not we elect Kerry... this country is going HYBRID eventually.

Oil is an unreplenishable resource. Period. These nickel and dime debates always make me laugh.
...Whether we adjust now or kicking and screaming later, liberal ideals on energy are the future and oil is the past. You can't deny it. You can't even make an argument against it. All Conservatives do is prolong the inevitable, making things worse and worse in the future for a few dollars today......

What I find laughable (or scary, maybe) is all the gas-guzzling SUVs and their gaz-guzzling cousines that have come out since the oil crisis in the 70s and the foregn-car-crisis of the 80s.
For awhile, much was given to fuel economy cars. But, once the US started getting its car act back together, SUVs, big trucks and Hummers started selling like hot cakes.
Now, I know it can't be only repubs driving these big vehicles. So, where's the outrage?

______________
A question, Rant:
Don't you think the technology is already there, and THEY just haven't decided to implement it yet?

....and they'll hang themselves trying to be cowboys!

Why are they so ultimately unaware of the sole facet of life that rules all....timelines? The inability to grasp nuance is a hallmark trait of their president & their movement, so we shouldn't be suprised.

In the latest half truth/whole lies episode on this topic:
In February 2000, Kerry Said Release Of Oil From The Strategic Petroleum Reserves Would Not Be “Relevant.” “Without being specific, Kerry, a key member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, suggested the US could retaliate economically in other trade areas. He also said he does not want a release of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. A release ‘is not relevant. It would take months for the oil to get to the market,’ he said.” (Cathy Landry, “US Energy Chief Warns Of Gasoline Crisis,” Platt’s Oilgram News, 2/17/00)

Using timeline...BAM! Logic ensues

1) Completely different subject dealing with a tit-for-tat scenario of response to an action, AND about releasing oil for consumption from the reserves.

2) Kerry's position on this subject is crystal clear for all those without the ideology filter:
- Bring to bear the laws of supply & demand

* We buy & store 'X' number of barrels of oil for the
reserve, giving OPEC locked in profit regardless of
whether they increase or decrease supply

* Divert all oil to the market, giving the market
increased supply, thus driving down price and removing from play OPEC's ability to hamper US via production stoppages.


It really is worthwile to be rational about things once in awhile and not have 'propaganda first/logic last' all the time.

Originally posted by KillerT
I think that one of the best things we can do is continue to research and develop better and cleaner burning Energy sources. as well as use our own Oil sources like Alaska. And maybe not worry so much about the calving caribou, polar bears, musk oxen, "

So your children will drive a vehicle using technology from the 20th century and it won't cost much to fill it up, but who needs the environment huh? I hope your children aren't/won't be interested in seeing such aspects of wildlife in Alaska because they'll be gone.

Don't get me wrong, I love oil companies -- after all, my potential inheritance is 80% XOM. I just can't stand social irresponsibility either.

We need to continue pushing research and implementation of cleaner and alternative fuel vehicles. We need more gas stations to provide the alt fuel. In central NY there are four stations and only one is ethanol. Makes it kind of hard to purchase an alt fuel vehicle now doesn't it?

EDIT: I did read your first sentence and acknowledge your statement on research. I was making a point about your second sentence.

[Edited on 31-3-2004 by titian]

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
______________
A question, Rant:
Don't you think the technology is already there, and THEY just haven't decided to implement it yet?

I think there's truth there. And that kind of thing is not just automakers. I've heard the majority of TV's being sold today won't work after 2007 as well (the FCC switch to all digital broadcasting).

Careful there, Bush went bankrupt (if memory serves) trying to run his own oil business. If not bankrupt, he had some serious financial difficulties with it. Does he have more experience? Maybe . . . Is his experience? Questionable. Personally I think that the fact that Kerry doesn't have any connections (that I know of) to oil indicates that he would be a better president. Maybe he woudn't be as much a slave to those interests. I wonder what other interests he would be a slave of?

-P

Originally posted by KillerT
I think that one of the best things we can do is continue to research and develop better and cleaner burning Energy sources. as well as use our own Oil sources like Alaska. And maybe not worry so much about the calving caribou, polar bears, musk oxen,
But I would not believe any thing that Kerry says he has flipped flopped all over the place on all kinds of issues. This guy will tell any one any thing to get them to vote for him! With Kerry you have to read between the lines a lot. Next week he will say the opposite of what he saying now.
President Bush knows drilling in Alaska will lessen our dependance on oil imports. This will reduce the cost of light sweet crude oil a little. ( although not much ) this will help Americans in the long run and our president knows this very well. And I have complete faith in his decisions. If we are smart we will drill get the oil protect the enviroment and make some money for further energy research at the same time.
Kerry is a pacifier he really has no clue about the energy game. President Bush has been in the oil trade all his life and knows a lot more than Kerry ever will. Kerry shoud stick to something he understands like spreading his katchup on his hamburger!!! LOL!! We could repay those reserves quick with the oil from Alaska. ANd never take a hit on it it at all. Man i hope this makes sence.