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Either there is no god and no paranormal... or there are billions of good liars and dreamers

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posted on Nov, 22 2008 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by tgambill
No, it hasn't. As I said before, you have not seen the tribulations yet. They have not happened yet. You will know without a doubt when the first Earthquake happens. There will be no mistake.

You want truth........here is the truth of what is behind the scenes. The evidence I have confirms this link and the link matches exactly. In fact the conspirators are worshippers of Satan/Luciferians. There is no way this can be refuted as the evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable.

www.fdrs.org...

we are dealing this today..............


Well, I think I'm just about done with you. You refuse to have anykind of a discussion. I have never in my life meet someone who can't see anything beyond their own perspective on things more than you. I really don't see how you could miss that I was talking about the actions of people who are decieved in the same ways you mention on a smaller scale all across the world instead of some huge earthquake event. And yet, you have it so set in your mind that I am somekind of enemy to you, you will refuse to even acknowledge common points in things.

I'm pretty patient about things, but I still have limits, and you have just stepped beyond them. Good luck.




posted on Nov, 22 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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"Well, I think I'm just about done with you."

*****
) you never got started. You were done before you said hello. BM, you have to know that your mix of Jesus this and that, mixed with new Age thinking, and picking and choosing Biblical verses that you like and ignoring those that you don't, is leading you astray. Not meant to be disrespectful, its true. Majority of mankind are going to be fooled by one of four forms of Satan and his Nephilim. One group are those that don't believe in the supernatural of any kind and rely on the notion of Evolution which is impossible for it to be a process from which life came from. The second type are those that love mother earth, green, karma and and the force is what has made life.......and so forth. The third type are the Satanist when Satan and his demons influence or appear to be just that they expect, EVIL. They dress black, sacrifices both human and animal, pentagrams, rituals and Satan is ugly, horns, monster etc......and fourth, is Lucifer the Angel of light. He comes to the world leaders, those that see Lucifer as a benevolent and enlightened being. He is opposite of Satan but its the same entity. The demons are able to come in and go out of this dimension. the nephilim are reborn through special breeding and will surface in the future as "aliens" thus the big lie. Satan/Lucifer are all of these to take those that believe this will not come to Jesus.

"You refuse to have anykind of a discussion. I have never in my life meet someone who can't see anything beyond their own perspective on things more than you."

*****Oh there are many of us and yet the number is still small to the overall population. I don't go with my perspective, I go with what the Bible teaches.

"I really don't see how you could miss that I was talking about the actions of people who are decieved in the same ways you mention on a smaller scale all across the world instead of some huge earthquake event."

*****People are fooled because they don't know the scriptures and what has to happen first.

"And yet, you have it so set in your mind that I am somekind of enemy to you, you will refuse to even acknowledge common points in things."

****you interpretation of scripture are not correct. Its that simple.

"I'm pretty patient about things, but I still have limits, and you have just stepped beyond them. Good luck."

*****Ahhhhh, you'll get over it, but you will remember our conversation when the earthquake happens and the NWO arises.............

www.wake-up.com...



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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I'm done with you because you are blind. You don't understanding anything, the only thing you can do is repeat bible verses. Anytime a bible verse is quoted that goes against what you say - you dismiss it and post another, then accuse people of not knowing what it means.

Multiple times I quoted Jesus in this discussion, and you dismissed them over and over. Multiple times you called me wrong, and then proceeded to repeat exactly what I said as your own. Just like when Jesus said not even he can change a fool in his ways, and you flat out called me a liar about it.

And then to make matters worse, just because someone doesn't agree with your interpretation exactly, you go off in a dualistic mindset and pretend that they don't know things. Just like your little earthquake NWO reference. As if I am blind about the NWO and crap. And tell me, where has GWB and the republican party that has been working to setup this NWO been getting support? From the christian right. From the people who believe just as you do.

I tried to look for common ground between us, but it doesn't matter what is actually said with you. Each and every time you will claim I am wrong, and then repeat the same thing back to me in the context of you are right.

It's just gotten to be pointless, and it's time I dust my feet.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 12:08 PM
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Hello Again,

I wonder why it is that you are so against this "exaltation of man" as you put it because it is written in Philippians 2:5:

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Doesn't it stand to reason that having the mind of Christ Jesus would automatically exalt someone to His level of consciousness?

Also, You have yet to respond to the below post that I brought forward for you.

If you are unable to address the points raised, that's okay, truly. It is good to know when we don't know rather than pretend to know.


Originally posted by L.I.B.
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Hi,


1. God is All. God is in All. We are therefore God-like.


Jesus said: Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'? John 10:34

You dispute Jesus?


2. We can achieve transformation of self to a higher enlightenment.


Yet, the bible teaches that exactly this is necessary:

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 12:1


3. If we unite and share the same belief system there can be peace in this world.


All those who actually do know Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit agree.

Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.

Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. Colossians 3:14-15


4. We are not accountable to anyone but ourselves.


People are to work out their OWN salvation (Philippians 2:12).


5. There is no such thing as sin. Therefore we are not in need of forgiveness.


To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. Titus 1:14

Religion is for the spiritually sick. Hence, the sinner's prayer.


6. Being spiritual is based in mysticism and its techniques.


Mysticism and spirituality come as a result of the technique of following Jesus too.


7. All religions lead to God.


How do you know they don't? Jesus said: I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. John 10:16


8. Your spiritual life is based on feelings and emotions.


If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. John 14:15


9. There is a higher knowledge available to the spiritual elite.


I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. John 16:12-13


10. Humans can attain perfection and are divine.


"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48

It sure looks like you dispute Jesus more than anyone.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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You use the Bible, then you must believe the Bible and this means you can't pick and choose what you want. This is to your detriment as you aren't looking for truth you look to discredit or spin. You have an agenda, I have only the desire to pass on the truth of the Bible.



Psalms 14.3

They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 8:6-8 (King James Version)
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Romans 8: 6-8

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Luke 18:9-14

9He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others. 10"Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice in the week. I give tithes of all that I get.' 13But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up as his eyes to Heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other, for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

The rewards you seek in the Bible verses are only for those that have turned their life over to Jesus by his free will. You can't just pull verses of reward and blessings and expect reward without being born again. This is why I don't answer all the questions that you have. As evidenced by your "debate" you are not seeking truth, you are seeking to destroy the truth, but this is impossible since truth reigns and cannot be destroyed. Seek the truth you shall find it.

"I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. " Proverbs 8:17

"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. " Jeremiah 29:13

"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." James 1:5

2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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"I'm done with you because you are blind. You don't understanding anything, the only thing you can do is repeat bible verses. Anytime a bible verse is quoted that goes against what you say - you dismiss it and post another, then accuse people of not knowing what it means.'

*****Interesting, that you also quote Bible verses that you know nothing about. The Bible verses don't go against what I say, your personal spin and your deceitful interpretation is what I don't agree with and the Bible doesn't agree with you. So, If you post a verse that is followed by a deceitful interpretation, and I post one that is appropriate, I will accuse you of not knowing what it means. How can you claim to know what it means when the Bible you are quoting yourself, says that you will not understand because you do not seek the truth.

"Multiple times I quoted Jesus in this discussion, and you dismissed them over and over. Multiple times you called me wrong, and then proceeded to repeat exactly what I said as your own. Just like when Jesus said not even he can change a fool in his ways, and you flat out called me a liar about it. "

*****Satan can quote Bible verses. Just quoting Jesus means nothing. You can quote Charles Mansen, are you in agreement with charles mansen. I can repeat the same verse that you have quoted but your spin is not in truth but deceit. Since you are looking to discredit the Bible why should your word be any good. Also, you fail to read the entire chapter which gives the proper context. You just pick a verse here and one there to fit your Biblical discrediting class 101....

"And then to make matters worse, just because someone doesn't agree with your interpretation exactly, you go off in a dualistic mindset and pretend that they don't know things."

******You clearly don't know.

"Just like your little earthquake NWO reference. As if I am blind about the NWO and crap. And tell me, where has GWB and the republican party that has been working to setup this NWO been getting support? From the christian right. From the people who believe just as you do."

*****The Christian Right is being used extensively to deceive the public and Christians alike and its working. They are following the New Age Movement.

How Christians are deceived
procinwarn.com...


Benny Hinn
www.youtube.com...


George Bush New age.
www.youtube.com...


Archbishop
www.telegraph.co.uk...


Hagee [pulled the video]
pjmiller.wordpress.com...


Hagin and Copeland and I haven't read anything about Holy Laughter in the Bible or this behavior, Satan is alive and well in the church.
www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...


Hagee's explanation of his previous claims
www.jhm.org...


Billy Graham
www.youtube.com...


Joel Osteen
www.youtube.com...


what about we as sinners and what is needed for salvation Romans 10:9. Not a motivational speaker
www.youtube.com...


Vatican and UFO's ????? its okay??
www.breitbart.com...


Oprah and new age
www.youtube.com...

False tongues
www.youtube.com...


"I tried to look for common ground between us, but it doesn't matter what is actually said with you. Each and every time you will claim I am wrong, and then repeat the same thing back to me in the context of you are right."

******We have nothing in common and you are wrong about your interpretations. How can you believe you are right when you blastpheme the Holy Spirit and mock the Word of God.

"It's just gotten to be pointless, and it's time I dust my feet."

****By believing a lie, you are dusting off your soul.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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Pharisee

n. 1. A member of an ancient Jewish sect that emphasized strict interpretation and observance of the Mosaic law in both its oral and written form.
2. A hypocritically self-righteous person.


jmm.aaa.net.au...



The Pharisees knew their Bibles; were disciplined in prayer; fasted twice a week; gave about a third of their income to their church; were moral (very moral); many had been martyred for their faith; they attended 'church' regularly; they were evangelical/orthodox; and evangelistic (Jesus said they'd even cross the ocean - a fearful thing for Jews - to win a convert).

There was a deep silence. I asked 'Peter' sitting at the front: 'What's wrong?' He pointed to the list and said 'That's us!' 'Is it?" I responded. 'Then you've got a problem: Jesus said these sorts of people are children of the devil!'


Have a nice day.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by badmedia]



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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Once again.....departing from the truth and a non-christian trying to reinterpret a book that is clear in its message when one seeks the truth but not clear when one seeks to destroy truth.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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Do you care to actually point out what is false about it, rather than just throwing a label on something as wrong?

Are you saying that isn't what a pharisees is?

Are you saying Jesus didn't say those people were wrong?

Are you saying Jesus didn't call them hypocrites, and warn people of them?

Are you saying those people did not kill Jesus?

Are you saying you also do not follow a strict interpretation of the bible and scorn those who do not?

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Geez, you don't think the people he is talking about could be the people who carry this strict interpretation and do things in his name, but fail to actually understand any of it do ya?

Why should I, or anyone else believe he is not talking about the pharisees of today? IE: Those who emphasize strict interpretation and observance of the bible(law) in both its oral and written form.

Why should I, or anyone else believe I am supposed to take the strict interpretation of the bible when Jesus was against it himself?



[edit on 23-11-2008 by badmedia]



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 04:57 PM
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Hello Again,


You use the Bible, then you must believe the Bible and this means you can't pick and choose what you want.


That is true.

I also think that we can't disregard passages either.

The challenge, I believe, is to get the wisdom and understanding to see how all the passages harmonize together.


This is to your detriment as you aren't looking for truth you look to discredit or spin. You have an agenda, I have only the desire to pass on the truth of the Bible.


If this is how you see me, then that is true for you. If I don't see myself the same way, then what I see is true for me. Those are relative truths... truths that change depending on the person who is doing the perceiving.

However, I believe in absolute truth. Truth that does not change depending upon who looks at it.

The Bible is a wonderful source of truth, yet, I do not look through your eyes and do not know what exactly your personal truth of the Bible is that you speak of...that you think I wish to destroy.

So, what exactly is the truth of the Bible to you? It may surprise you that I might agree, that is if I knew what it was.

I'll go ahead and tell you my truth of the Bible: It is a spiritual handbook designed to teach spiritual principles through the use of allegory and parable for the result of not only bringing us closer to God, but to understand God as best we are able. And, all of us "look through the glass darkly". I try to always remember the biblical verse that essentially says: whoever thinks he knows a thing does not yet know as he should.

There is so much more, too, that I could say.


The rewards you seek in the Bible verses are only for those that have turned their life over to Jesus by his free will. You can't just pull verses of reward and blessings and expect reward without being born again.

While I do not seek reward, I do agree with the rest that you have said.


This is why I don't answer all the questions that you have.


I see.

Do I interpret your statement correctly? That you do not wish to answer questions from someone who is not born again? Surely I misinterpret your statement?


As evidenced by your "debate" you are not seeking truth, you are seeking to destroy the truth,


I, nor anyone else, can destroy truth. It will always exists as it is absolute.

Again, though, what is the exact truth that you think I seek to destroy?


but this is impossible since truth reigns and cannot be destroyed. Seek the truth you shall find it.


I see we agree.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by L.I.B.]



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 05:06 PM
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I reckon we'll have more and more ufo religions. Wackos see God, Mary, Saints, Prophets, Aliens and will believe in them, bother others until they submit in return for them shutting up and we all make a big lie to make them happy. Alas, then people become powerful in this lie, uphold it more and more with help of said Wackos, and have power, good food, wine, bribes from politicians and so uphold it more. Thing is, depite that, there may be creator(s) out there.....



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by redled
I reckon we'll have more and more ufo religions. Wackos see God, Mary, Saints, Prophets, Aliens and will believe in them, bother others until they submit in return for them shutting up and we all make a big lie to make them happy. Alas, then people become powerful in this lie, uphold it more and more with help of said Wackos, and have power, good food, wine, bribes from politicians and so uphold it more. Thing is, depite that, there may be creator(s) out there.....


LOL

Hey, there may be hope yet for you to join a wacko club too!



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by L.I.B.

Hey, there may be hope yet for you to join a wacko club too!



Please, I really hope not. Oh yeah, that's all clubs. Damn.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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LOL

Funny how that works, isn't it?



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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I think that you don't have to be religious to believe in the paranormal, but that you need to believe in the paranormal to be religious.

I think that religion is fake and that the paranormal has to be real.

tgambill got Foed.
I resent your comments about Satanism. I don't believe in Jesus or God but I am not a Satanist or Luciferian or anything. So, that was uncalled for.

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posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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Yes, very funny indeed. I wonder if the head of a golf club has ever been assassinated?



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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After your research on that, let me know what you find out.

(First thing I thought of was all the golf clubs that had been pounded on the ground out of frustration and had been assassinated that way.
)



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by L.I.B.
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After your research on that, let me know what you find out.


I shall undertake this onerous task out of sheer commitment for this topic.


(First thing I thought of was all the golf clubs that had been pounded on the ground out of frustration and had been assassinated that way.
)


Thanks, you've done my research for me. Plenty of them assassinated.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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LOL

You're welcome!



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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I know what will settle this.

None of us was there, none of us really know.

"Jesus said, ..."

Oh? And did you have tea together?

I wish there was a jealous GOD, and he'd come down here and clean everyone's clock, and send you all to fire. Boy that would ruin peoples day.

Ha. JK. I'm sure you will all go to heaven where life is perfect.




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