Originally posted by joehayner
I've been doing some reading lately. Much of the philosophy for the existance of god makes no sense, and I was wondering if anyone would be so kind
as to provide the reasons they believe god exists. I won't make fun of any of them, I promise. But seriously, I've never actually been provided with
an answer that doesn't contradict itself, or the opinions of the person who says it.
This might develop into a very interesting discussion, as long as we keep the yelling, flaming, and name calling to a minimum. I'll admit right now
that I'd be considered an agnostic or a heretic. I believe that it is wrong to assume there is a god without proof. I've never ruled out the
possibility, because it still exists. I'm also not positive that an afterlife exists, and if I had to say what happens to a person when they die,
I'd have to say that their energy(soul if you will) returns or goes into a pool of energy from previously existing life.(heaven) This could be what
people consider a god, but I'm not sure if I do. What are your beliefs and reasons?
I think this is a very fair question and would love to hear some responses from the more fundamentally religious on the board. I always wonder how
they would describe the Supreme Being, God ,as It exists in their own minds, instead of just repeating someone else's words. When you imagine God,
as an actual conscious diety, what do you see?
As for my personal beliefs, I don't know what category I fit in. I believe in God's existence without any hesitation, but it is not the God of any
particular religion, entirely.
I believe that God is self-aware, infinite, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and eternal. It is kind of hard to explain, but I'll give it a shot.
Since this is something I, myself, am still trying to work through and I have never tried to fully articulate in words, it may seem hard to
understand. Hopefully you can follow it alright..
I believe that God existed as a single, infinite consciousness in a void, empty of any physical substance. The great nothingness, so to speak. I
think that God was aware of It's existence but since It existed as One, it had no point of reference to consider Itself from or to give direction to
It's "thoughts". ( At this point, I want to make it clear that I do not think it is possible for us to fully comprehend the complexity of God's
thoughts in comparison to our own. So when I say God's "thoughts", don't limit them to the rules of our physical realm.) Back to my theory now,
God was an infinite consciousness, that needed to create a separate state of being in order to gain a sense of It's full potential. Since all that
existed was thought and the blackness of a void, part of God became what we call, light energy waves or electromagnetic radiation, to replace the dark
nothingness. I think this is why the Bible may describe the light as existing before any celestial bodies.
Light is not confined to the definitions of particle or wave, like sound is, for instance. It exists as both/either possibility, but if it is forced
to choose 1 of 2 paths, and we see it's choice, we see a particle. If we don't know which path it chose, however, the result shows it as a wave
instead. Waves, of course, radiate out and go in all possible directions simultaneously, not having to choose one specific possibility. It also
appears to "know" when it is being observed. In the "double-slit" experiment, the scientists tried to "trick" the light photons by monitoring
their choice of direction with hidden detectors, so they could see it afterward. To their surprise, the light photons showed up as particles, as if
the photons "knew" they were still being watched. I think both, the human concept of free choice, and the multiverse theory, may also operate by
these principles on a larger, much more complex scale.
So God now exists as a consciousness and as the entire spectrum of light energy waves. The emptiness is now filled with energy, the basis of our
physical universe, and "nothing" is no longer a state of being. God is also still the One, remaining without a separate point for perspective. By
using sound waves and manipulating the properties of the energy spectrum, matter became visible and tangible. Some of it gradually developed into the
non-living universe ( i.e., planets, stars, etc.).
At this point, God still needed a separate consciousness to gain a complete sense of Itself. With this in mind, God proceeded to separate tiny
portions of Itself with temporary containers (bodies) to divide the infinite Whole from It's tiny subsections. It can be compared to an infinite
ocean of water with tiny cups made of ice, full of the oceanwater, and floating around in it. The ocean's water IS the cups, as well as their
contents, yet they remain separated from whole until the cups melt away. It's my belief that all life came into being as a result of God's desire
to experience Itself from all possible perspectives.
While my entire theory is always changing and becoming more developed, the next part is still a very young "theory in progress", but I will post
it if you are interested in veiwing it. I will end it here for the time being.