The Coyne incident, Mansfield, Ohio, 1973

There has been quite a variety of shapes and designs reported, but some have very consistent over the decades. As an example, there is this incident involving an oval shaped "spaceship" with a dome on top that stopped for repairs in the bush near Nipawin Saskatchewan in 1933.

"From their vantage point they were able to make out that the light came from a large oval shaped object that was domed at the top and slightly rounded on the bottom. It was supported by legs and from a central doorway, ot hatch, about a dozen figures could be seen going up and down a ladder like stairway. The occupants appeared to be slightly shorter than the average man, and were all dressed in what appeared to be silver colored suits or uniforms. All appeared to be wearing helmets or ski caps, and all were busy running around "repairing" the craft."

1933 Nipawin Saskatchewan, Spacecraft Stops for Repairs

I came upon this incident many years ago doing research on UFOs. The description of the craft's occupants matches the aliens my mother told us she saw when she was a young girl living on a farm in northern Saskatchewan. Her family's farm was about a hundred miles WSW of Nipawin and the incident happened about the same time. My mother told us about the alien encounter many times and her story never changed.

Well here's two cases involving physical evidence, the most famous being the one involving Betty Cash. These two cases involve physical injuries that were medically documented.

There have also been plenty of reports where UFOs left physical traces in the environment, perhaps the most well known and credible being the object witnessed by Police Officer Lonnie Zamora.

If you also include radar tapes as physical evidence then the number of cases with physical evidence is vast.

To return to your claim that UFO reports are conflabulations based on movie imagery where do you suppose the movie makers got their ideas from? Flying Saucers/UFOs in movies, especially in the 50s were so popular because the movie makers were responding to a real cultural phenomenon, namely that people were reporting seeing flying saucers.

Spielberg did not make Close Encounters in isolation, it was a fiction but one based heavily on Project Blue Book and other documented cases. J. Allen Hynek who worked on Project Blue Book was a scientific consultant on the film. The reports came first then the films, not the other way round.

I realise I'm unlikely to convince you. I will even grant you that the cases I cite do not constitute solid proof of the existence of aliens. However, to state categorically that all reports are hoaxes is an amazing statement and one which is IMO unsupportable. The evidence suggests a real phenomenon even if we don't know what it is.



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It does seem to be a really daft stance, "there's no proof I like so it does not exist".

If scientists, surgeons etc used the same logic then we would still be in the dark ages or there abouts. We are still finding life on this planet that lives in previously thought impossible area's, had we not taken a thought outside the box and never looked then we would still have the same ideals.

Skepticalspectacle does make a good point. While having that many reports of the same incident, without any concrete evidence, it is still just a more documented than usual UFO sighting. I've seen UFO's, but without any concrete evidence, no one other than the people I was with will believe me. Ockham's razor is a good philosophy on things of this sort. However, there is more evidence than usual, so I'm going to have to put in my tally for the neutral standing and say that this is a possible truth, but may not be a true sighting.

And you said it as the way a truly skeptical person should rather than just over rule it as a hoax, lies or mental illness.

Well said..

This is where my research becomes a little thin,

Can someone point me in the right direction as to where I can get more info on these cigar type craft? nowadays it appears that the crafts are metallic discs or Triangular shape. Does anyone think that the cigar shaped craft were from a different race other than the Nordics/Grays? that visited between the 60's and 70s?

Great thread as always

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From what I've read in the past the cigar shaped ufos are generally much larger than the disc type and also seen at higher altitudes leading some to speculate that the discs are atmospheric craft while the cigars are the 'motherships' that transport the discs through interstellar space.

I haven't got any citations to hand as this is from memory but I'll try and dig something out. I've been meaning to go through all my old copies of UFO Magazine so this is a good excuse.


Edit: I just did a quick google search which threw up this page. It gives some nice examples of cigar shaped craft.


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I found this report of a sighting of a cigar shaped UFO in 1998. Estimated altitude 30.000 feet:



www.ufoinfo.com...

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Thanks for the info,

This may sound strange to many but normal for some. But recently I have been thinking about the cigar type UFO'S and lo and behold I come across threads on them. I have come to the conclusion that they are the motherships, and they are the craft that astronauts monitor when in space. I to believe that the metallic disc shaped UFOS are the scout ships if you like and that once they do whatever they do here on Earth then return to the cigar type craft. However, I also think that there are Cigar type craft based deep down under the sea maybe even part of another eben race that is based inside the earth?

If anyone has any info they would like to share about cigar type crafts I for one would love to know it.



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Thank you for the write up on this incident, Internos.

I found the video interview highly compelling. Seeing witnesses discuss sightings is so much more telling than transcripts, and their body language can often show deception.

i was part of the ground observation of sorts it was my family that saw the object , i was 11 days from being born. i was there but not yet able to see, my family doesnt talk about this very much . but for all the non believers they would of had no reason to make it up , they never gained fame or fortune for this incident,

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Fascinating account -never heard of this one before.
Great work

Documentary on the Coyne incident which has info on the
electromagnetic interference aspect of the case and also includes interviews with witnessess on the ground:
www.youtube.com...

Quote made by the pilot at a United Nations Hearing on UFOs:

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Great thread internos, well researched and laid out.

This is one of the top cases IMHO in Ufology and also a rare UFO-Helicopter encounter. What was it? I think we know what it was.

On a side note it seems like the craft was looking for something or someone, that is my take on the 'scanning' from the green light anyways. Makes you wonder...

Jkrog -its certainly a very interesting case and I don't think anyone has any idea what the object was.
Theres a good interview here with the pilot (around 1:10) and the eyewitness description sounds very strange indeed:
www.youtube.com...
Cheers.

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