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Why is everyone making me feel guilty for NOT liking our new president (elect)

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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Oh, good. Let's not give the man even a halfway decent chance to do the job...great.

The office has a way of changing a man, both for good and for ill. We haven't yet seen how President Obama will change. The only foregone conclusion we, you, can make correctly is that he will change. For good? For ill? We just don't know yet.

Will he make mistakes? Name me a President who hasn't? Can't be done. They all do. You know why? It ain't because they're demonic antichrists, or even (gasp) Republicans/Democrats; it's because they're human, which means fallible. The mark of the man will be how he goes about fixing these mistakes.

Give the man a chance to do the evil you seem to be anticipating before you start squalling. At least wait 'til he's sworn in. You, and others, want to stomp your feet, hold your breathe 'til you turn blue, have at it. It won't make a bit of difference. The man won fairly, and squarely. You want someone better? Well in 2012, work a little harder, and get yourself a better candidate.

We survived Carter. We survived Reagan. We survived Bush. We survived Clinton. We survived Bush (whoa, deja vu). We'll survive Mr. Obama as well. Give the country a bit more credit, please.





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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 11:53 AM
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Well look at the bright side, at least African-Americans can tone down the "white-man" is trying to keep us down speech. I do understand your frustration. Presidents must prove their worth before people can trust them. People from other countries feel that this is a big step to America having a president who is from a foreign decent. I must agree with you that his economics plan sounds outrageous and his spending is not going to cope with today's economy. I feel he is going to fall short on all his promises.

Don't feel bad though if he is a bad president people will riot and take him out. If we(Canada) get a bad prime minister we usually write a bad letter and leave it be.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by Equinox99]



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
I just wish people could do so with the same respect they showed their previous candidate and I wish they would at least be open to giving Obama a chance.


Respect??? For which candidate? I KNOW you aren't talking about Bush ... for the last 8 years it's been nothing but a hate fest toward Bush from the Democrats from the get-go because they felt the 2000 election was STOLEN. Truth is, they didn't bother to educate themselves with how the electoral college works and how the candidate with the least popular votes can still win in a tight race.

Why should I give your puppet-elect a chance when people like you don't put the well being of your country over ushering in "a historic election"?

The differences between you and I: I love this country. I love the Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees and free markets. I believe in limited role of government. I want people in this country to be happy and prosper.

Apparently you and the rest of your ilk do not.

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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by sos37
 


Oh, good. Let's not give the man even a halfway decent chance to do the job...great.

The office has a way of changing a man, both for good and for ill. We haven't yet seen how President Obama will change. The only foregone conclusion we, you, can make correctly is that he will change. For good? For ill? We just don't know yet.

Will he make mistakes? Name me a President who hasn't? Can't be done. They all do. You know why? It ain't because they're demonic antichrists, or even (gasp) Republicans/Democrats; it's because they're human, which means fallible. The mark of the man will be how he goes about fixing these mistakes.

Give the man a chance to do the evil you seem to be anticipating before you start squalling. At least wait 'til he's sworn in. You, and others, want to stomp your feet, hold your breathe 'til you turn blue, have at it. It won't make a bit of difference. The man won fairly, and squarely. You want someone better? Well in 2012, work a little harder, and get yourself a better candidate.

We survived Carter. We survived Reagan. We survived Bush. We survived Clinton. We survived Bush (whoa, deja vu). We'll survive Mr. Obama as well. Give the country a bit more credit, please.



Fairly and squarely??? That's the MOST LAUGHABLE statement made today yet.

There is STILL the issue of his not producing a vaulted copy of his birth certificate.

There is STILL the issue of the media endorsing and pandering for him simply because they wanted the headlines of a "historic presidency". They didn't care one bit for his policies. They saw "black man running" and they ran with it.

Don't believe me??? Even MSN Slate believes it, and they were one of the biggest shills for him: www.slate.com...

There is STILL the issue of Obama's past dealings with shady characters that the media wanted SO desperately for you to forget about.

Just because the man was elected doesn't mean these things go away. You may be willing to give him a pass, but people who truly love this country more than they love "the messiah" are not.

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[edit on 6-11-2008 by sos37]



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
I just wish people could do so with the same respect they showed their previous candidate and I wish they would at least be open to giving Obama a chance.


Respect??? For which candidate? I KNOW you aren't talking about Bush ... for the last 8 years it's been nothing but a hate fest toward Bush

*snip*

The differences between you and I: I love this country. I love the Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees and free markets. I believe in limited role of government. I want people in this country to be happy and prosper.

Apparently you and the rest of your ilk do not.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by sos37]


When Bush was elected in 2000, even though it was close, the vast majority of us actually did support him. He did a great job in the first year after 9/11 and I thought it reflected greatly on him.

Now, what I did have issue with, was the Iraq War. Afghansitan I supported, but not Iraq. I also had issues with the fact that as a republican, he did more to increase the size of and power of governement than I would have expected from a conservative. And then what really ticked me off about his administration, not so much him, was how they tried to marginalize those of us against the war as being unAmerican.

I see how you like to try to point out the differences between you and others on this board. And that's really what this election was about. It's about learning how to point out the similarities between us and *ignore* the differences. It's because of the ability to ignore our differences that we even have a country to begin with.

As a patriot I'm sure you can appreciate that.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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this is exactly why obama is president in the first place. Everyone likes him because he is a people's person, he has the charm and likability. It's a very cunning plan to ridicule anyone who goes against the government, and if that fails they can always call you a racist. In fact alex jones has had many emails about how he is a racist for not liking obama and many have said they wont listen to his show again, so already it is working.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:08 PM
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I was talking about the other candidates in the running with Obama, like McCain. I gave Bush a chance, twice. He has not earned an ounce of respect, just my opinion.


The differences between you and I: I love this country. I love the Constitution and the freedoms


You think all of the millions upon millions who voted for Obama do not fit in this category? I’m no longer going to address you for making broad, idiot statements like that. Your bitterness is clouding your reason and judgment.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:08 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

...and there are the unanswered questions regarding Mr. McCains behaviour during his time as a prisnor of war, too. As laughable as the so called "associations" of Mr. Obama.

Senator McCain had an opportunity to use all of those against Mr. Obama during the election. For some reason he chose not to. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, he had better information than you do? Hmmm...

The press is unfair? I'll give you that one...we agree. However, he knew that was going to happen, he had to; he's not a stupid man. He could have made allowances for it.




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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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well said, couldn't agree more
gave ya a star



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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Part of the reason I don't like Obama is because of his followers.

My mother was crying when we watched his 30 minute infomercial. Any politician who can make people THAT emotional is dangerous, why? Because people need to think with their BRAINS, NOT their EMOTIONS.

I look at the whole situation like a math problem, there is no love, no hate. There is only this complex set of variables I have to figure out which candidate gives the best solution. People like my mother look at it completely different, they are unable to separate their own emotional involvement from the problem at hand.

I do not blindly give my trust just anyone. I do not give blind faith at all.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
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You think all of the millions upon millions who voted for Obama do not fit in this category? I’m no longer going to address you for making broad, idiot statements like that. Your bitterness is clouding your reason and judgment.


YES! And I can prove it!

1. Why else would you all support a party that believes in something like reinstating the Fairness Doctrine?

thehill.com...

2. What about the SCOTUS recent attempt to define the Second Amendment as being the right of the militia only? That vote was along party lines with the Democratic justices leaning toward redefinement and the deciding vote was cast by Ted Kennedy! Several of these justices will be retiring during this term. Do you really expect Obama not to appoint liberal justices who have the same agendas in mind???

3. What about Obama wanting to limit the sale of weapons? How is that not a violation of the second amendment?



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posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Epinephrine

I think there is valid concern to question the legitimacy of his citizenship, having read some information about this, if only because he should have lost his U.S. citizenship when he moved to and became a citizen of Indonesia. There was also a lawsuit which claimed that Obama's birth certificate was identified as a forgery by independent document forensic experts.


OK, I really don't want to get into this again.

1) He moved to Indonesia as a child, i.e. because his mom moved there. He did not ever himself renounce his US citizenship at a US embassy, which is what is required for him to have lost it.

2) He is a sitting US Senator, and now the President-elect. Given the citizenship requirements, do you really think it likely that there is no gov't agency whose job it is to verify the eligibility of candidates, for Senator or President? And do you really think these people would have let it go if there were any doubt? There is no legitimate claim regarding his citizenship. Had there been, he would not be in the position he now is.



Obama's "spread the wealth" comment and his connections with the Democratic Socialists of America give some credence to claims that Obama is a socialist. Thus it is not racist to accuse Obama of being a socialist.


I heard the comment in full context in his answer to the infamous Joe. In the context of his remarks, there is no doubt that he was NOT speaking in a Socialist framework. None. He is no more a socialist than McCain. Absolutely no evidence to support it. None. Nada.



I think that in suggesting that non-racial criticisms could be euphemisms for racism shows a willingness on your part and is a nod of approval of a sorts to, as mentioned, shut down any criticism or argument against Obama through accusations of racism. In this case, it's not overt racism but "secret" racism that must be shut down.


It is exactly these kinds of criticisms that I am suggesting may be euphamisms for race. Note I say may be. These may simply be unfounded claims that people buy into for non-racial reasons, I absolutely agree to that.

However, there is no credible evidence to support these claims. None. Then why do these claims persist? It may be just the persistence of juicy rumors. Or it may be a safe way for people to oppose him without coming right out and saying it is due to race.

I really don't know. But I do know that these particular claims have been debunked multiple times, and are unfounded.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Nor should you give your trust to a ruler blindly. But neither should you blindly distrust...

One is as bad in it's own way, as the other.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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Ya know... There might be another thing afoot.

I recall similar rumors circling around when Clinton was president.


For example, when I was in the Navy, we lost one of our airplanes in my squadron. This just happened to be about a week after Pres Clinton visited our Aircraft Carrier.

Years later I googled for the people in the crash. Where did I find them? On some list of people that Clinton was supposedly responsible for having killed! Yep.

There were crazy rumours about him too...



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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What about the SCOTUS recent attempt to define the Second Amendment as being the right of the militia only? That vote was along party lines with the Democratic justices leaning toward redefinement and the deciding vote was cast by Ted Kennedy!

Your hatred and ignorance are beyond belief. Ted Kennedy is not, and never was, a member of the Supreme Court.
In addition, you say you believe in the Constitution, but you will not accept Obama as your President. I see nowhere in the Constitution where it states the a President is not YOUR President because you don't like him.
Cool off, and come back in a few years, when you have matured enough to discuss issues like an adult.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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we've all been over this before but lets quickly review again.
He became an Indonesian citizen under the alias of Barry Soetoro and Indonesia did Not allow dual citizenship back then. His religion was Islam, not that it matters much. He then lied to the Supreme Court of Illinois about not having this alias.
smithfiles.com...
couple this with him not producing the vault copy of his birth certificate and the company he keeps, comments his wife has made, comments his own grandmother has made, etc etc etc. Talk about a shady dude. I was going to vote for Barry Soetoro but I didn't see his name on the ballot?



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:46 PM
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Well, that's a ridiculous and ignorant post.
Are you implying Obama supporters hate America?

I'm sorry, but I just can't help but laugh at the current state of affairs. On one hand you have those bowing at the feet of our future President, praising him as our saviour, on the other you have sad and dejected people pretty much condemning the future of the world to mass slavery and armageddon because of one man.


Then you have those in the center, like myself and a few others I have seen around this website, waiting to see what he actually does in office before constructing altars to this man or stocking up on guns like a sociopath.

How about we all just take step back, take a deep breath in, and just remain in the moment for a while. No use fearing ideas, people, all you get is tired.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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What about the SCOTUS recent attempt to define the Second Amendment as being the right of the militia only? That vote was along party lines with the Democratic justices leaning toward redefinement and the deciding vote was cast by Ted Kennedy!

Your hatred and ignorance are beyond belief. Ted Kennedy is not, and never was, a member of the Supreme Court.
In addition, you say you believe in the Constitution, but you will not accept Obama as your President. I see nowhere in the Constitution where it states the a President is not YOUR President because you don't like him.
Cool off, and come back in a few years, when you have matured enough to discuss issues like an adult.


Oh my gosh, so I got the guy's first name wrong. Anthony Kennedy, there, you happy? There's a Ted Kennedy prominent in politics too, you know.

As for maturity - where does the Constitution say to blindly follow a leader that you suspect will ruin the country? How is that being mature? Is it not more mature to decide not to stand with the masses of lemmings who follow each other off the cliff? Or would you have people blindly yield their allegiance to a man who ran a race under questionable circumstances and has yet to answer all of the questions asked of him?

You sound like you want the voice of all those who dissent to be silent. That sounds like tyranny, sir. And I would question your motives and maturity for even suggesting such.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Tgautier13
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Well, that's a ridiculous and ignorant post.
Are you implying Obama supporters hate America?


You tell me. Why did you vote for the man?

Because it was cool to do so?
Because he was black?
Because you feared the peer ridicule if you voted for another party? Because you wanted to be part of ushering in the "most historical election in U.S. history"?
Because you were tired of the current adminitration?
Because you are hopping mad of where this country is because of 8 years of Bush and it's time to give someone else a chance?
Because the Democrats couldn't possibly do any worse after the past eight years?

If you said "Yes" to any of the above, then I would have to say your vote for Obama did not have the best interests of America in mind.



posted on Nov, 6 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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I do have my reservations about Obama, but I'm glad he won and not John McCain.

Honestly, if John McCain had won we would be seeing exactly the same thing going on on this board except we would just be replacing one name with another.

I don't think you should feel guilty for not liking him. I don't agree with the sentiment that you should just suck it up and start supporting him because he is our president now. I never supported Bush and some people told me I should just get over it because I had to respect our leader. That's a bunch of rubbish.

I don't understand the doom and gloom going on about Obama but at the same time I do because if McCain had won all of us who didn't like him would be saying the exact same things all of you who don't like Obama are saying.

As for the chanting at his speech, every single rally for anybody running for the office of president or any gathering for concession speech or acceptance speech has chanting going on.

When McCain was giving his concession speech people were chanting his name, among other things.

People got disturbed at the chanting going on at either rally depending on the candidate they supported. It's all just part of the scene. You go to a rally, you chant. There's not really anything cultish about it. Just extreme enthusiasm.




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