Why is everyone making me feel guilty for NOT liking our new president (elect), page 4
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reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:18 AM by carotson
Originally posted by ghostlandseller
This is odd! Since when am i not allowed to dislike our president. Everyone is just all over me when i say, I do NOT Like BARACK OBAMA.

I know this election has been so strangely different than past elections. People are so aggressive and passionate. But i don't like people saying i am ignorant and that i should feel ashamed because i do not love Barack Obama. i know WHY i do not like him and it is largely economically and character based.

I mean i just don't see a lot of reason to proclaim this guy our savior yet. he has no proven track record! he does not have a fool proof financial plan. I am not anti democrat, i actually like the alternation, it keeps things balanced. i feel like he has an almost dangerous amount of power with his oratory skills. he can influence people to a stunning degree. its impressive but only if used for good. and i don't exactly trust him YET. I just do not like the guy. But this isn't about why i do or don't like Obama.

Everyone says "Give him a chance before you hate him!" isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Let him prove himself then love him? Im pretty sure this is how the world works. You don't get married to someone then see if you like them.


I want to know why everyone is so insistent that i should love the guy RIGHT NOW and just love him until he messes up... and when i dont do this i am told i am a RACIST, greedy, uneducated, ignorant, word of mouth listener, media influenced, psycho catholic, fool...or any other of the sort. And i am none of the sort.

I should be able to not like Obama and not feel pressured or guilty. Am i a bad person because i don't? well people are sure trying their best to make me feel that way and its starting to creep me out.



I dont like America and why i must like it? But your democracy is a parody like ours, i realy dont understand if people realy belive in demokracy, did they even know what democracy is? American people are realy a brainwashed, if you not like them or their democracy or their president they tell you are a terrorist, you are against freedom etc...



reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:22 AM by rickyrrr
reply to post by ghostlandseller



You have every right to be wrong... Just kidding... All kidding aside, you don't have to like him.

Among obama's supporters you probably find two groups:

1. A small group of people who feel that they are relatively good judges of character and that they "feel" that they can trust him based on what they believe to be his track record.

2. The mob.

This is true for every view point. A few intellectually honest people make their best effort to come to conclusions they believe in. They promote those views and then the rest of the mob just adopts them. Doesn't mean that they're all right, but they very much believe they are, which pretty much amounts to the same thing. It's all a big circular logic chain.

It is understandable that when two people with opposing views meet, it is not easy to "let the disagreement be" because, clearly, one side is more wrong than the other. Notice the subtle implication that there exists no side that is absolutely right or morally superior, but a relative difference can be found if both sides debate and are willing to consider new information.

But the reasonable way to approach such differences is not to judge the character of the other person. You have stated your reasons for not liking obama, and they are all subjective and personal, so nobody can tell you what to think, they are valid and personal views. Heck, even if your reasons were based on race, that viewpoint also has to be respected. How can I deny that the brown color of Obama probably served as a positive influencing factor for me? Or his healthy appearance? or his loud voice? or his body language and posture? Our brains are wired to account for those things no matter how much we like to pretend it isn't.

Could they be uninformed views? I don't know, maybe, that's what debating is for.

Therefore you have an intellectual obligation to seek reasonable debate to try to understand the other side and the roots of the difference. This also holds for the pro-Obama side.

Good luck, and hope time helps clarify your views and everyone elses.

-rrr


reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:28 AM by ghostlandseller
reply to post by Tgautier13



yeah, i don't go to pro Obama threads. its the people i run into around school, My friends who see that i don't like Obama when they ask me who i voted for. i dont exactly go around looking for fights on this type of thing.


reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:29 AM by IceColdPro
Originally posted by ghostlandseller
This isnt the direction i wanted to go with this forum but i see a division coming. I think it will be the hard core Obama supporters being united and becoming in essence a force. And they will be influenced by Obama to Get the other people to be followers too.

It will almost be like Good vs Bad. The Obama people think they are good and that they want to spread the good word. They are very devoted to Obama. Almost to a freakish degree. And there are people like me who really oppose Obama, almost being pushed even further way by the people who blindly fallow him and try to suck me in. i see them and fear for myself that i do not become so blinded.

So me and people like me are being seen as...BAD. The ones who need to be converted. And we wont be saved unless we fallow him, and they wont be saved unless everyone is on board with him. Its like we should all love him and do what he asks unconditionally.

I think this view is only going to be strengthened. I heard Obama may try and use his very devoted and large following to maybe form anther party or create an agenda of his own. I heard this on a major news station.

I just dont want to go to civil war with these people! It might be heading this direction if this tension continues to build liek this.



Why do they care so much that i do not liek the guy?



YOU speak about every one making YOU feel guilty, but you have no problem belittling all of the people who voted and supported Obama. This was a democratic choice, no one was hypnotized and to be honest the best member of the Obama campaign was McCain and I think HE scared everyone into voting for Obama in the first place, there was no allure.

You say that democrats are blind, are mesmerized, etc, etc. But do you not find this a HUGE double standard that you are complaining that no one allows you to speak your mind and they say things to make YOU feel guilty, but you have no problem blasting every one and labelling them "cult followers", etc. YOU are basing your arguments on your emotions not the Obama supporters.

Seriously, what a stupid thread, there is nothing in here that has been said that hasn't been said before, I am getting De ja Vu on a regular basis here on ATS. If I was the owner of the site, now that the election is over, I would remove these stupid topics and sub forums.

Round and round we go


reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:33 AM by IceColdPro
Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to
post by ghostlandseller



You have every right to be wrong... Just kidding... All kidding aside, you don't have to like him.

Among obama's supporters you probably find two groups:

1. A small group of people who feel that they are relatively good judges of character and that they "feel" that they can trust him based on what they believe to be his track record.

2. The mob.

This is true for every view point. A few intellectually honest people make their best effort to come to conclusions they believe in. They promote those views and then the rest of the mob just adopts them. Doesn't mean that they're all right, but they very much believe they are, which pretty much amounts to the same thing. It's all a big circular logic chain.

It is understandable that when two people with opposing views meet, it is not easy to "let the disagreement be" because, clearly, one side is more wrong than the other. Notice the subtle implication that there exists no side that is absolutely right or morally superior, but a relative difference can be found if both sides debate and are willing to consider new information.

But the reasonable way to approach such differences is not to judge the character of the other person. You have stated your reasons for not liking obama, and they are all subjective and personal, so nobody can tell you what to think, they are valid and personal views. Heck, even if your reasons were based on race, that viewpoint also has to be respected. How can I deny that the brown color of Obama probably served as a positive influencing factor for me? Or his healthy appearance? or his loud voice? or his body language and posture? Our brains are wired to account for those things no matter how much we like to pretend it isn't.

Could they be uninformed views? I don't know, maybe, that's what debating is for.

Therefore you have an intellectual obligation to seek reasonable debate to try to understand the other side and the roots of the difference. This also holds for the pro-Obama side.

Good luck, and hope time helps clarify your views and everyone elses.

-rrr


I completely disagree with your view.

I don't think there are 2 types of Obama supporters, you are just lumping them in to 2 categories because you lack the depth and insight into why people vote for Obama.



people who feel that they are relatively good judges of character and that they "feel" that they can trust him based on what they believe to be his track record.


Come down from your high horse, seriously.



reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 09:57 AM by IceColdPro
Originally posted by Revealation
To be honest anyone who says they like/dislike him are making innadequate premature judgements. How can you like /dislike someone you know nothing about.

To judge him down the line according to whatever actions he chooses which impact our lives is another story.

Replying to this thread just clarified this for me. I had the same assumption that I didn't like him.

Now I know to clarify my judgments and rephrase it. I personally DON"T TRUST him or any other elected official who makes judgements that affect the outcome of my everyday life, under false, premeditated pretenses.

Then again, according to the way the world keeps going in a downward spiral, we can assume that he also is going to make bad judgments (all in the name of self empowering greed). If by some miraculous intervention of GOD, him/her self, let's give him a chance to disprove himself and then we can say we hate him.



I don't mind hearing opinion like this, what you are saying is fair, and no one says that you HAVE to like Obama. I commend you for being fair on your judgement.

I appreciate opinions and views that are like yours and I support Obama but I am starring your response for integrity, I just can't stand people who are ripping apart Obama supporters and labelling them as stupid "fans" or "hypnotised" and saying that they don't like him because he delivers good speeches (is that a bad thing? It's not like America doesn't need the motivation). These facts are simply not true and quite offensive.


reply posted on 6-11-2008 @ 10:18 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by ghostlandseller



Listen, it doesn't matter what those people say. They are ignorant and in my opnion blinded. They think he is some kind of savior, please! You are right he has not proven ANYTHING! You are not racist because of that. Them judging you puts them right into the same catogory they are trying to put you into.
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