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Originally posted by ghostlandseller
This is odd! Since when am i not allowed to dislike our president. Everyone is just all over me when i say, I do NOT Like BARACK OBAMA.
I know this election has been so strangely different than past elections. People are so aggressive and passionate. But i don't like people saying i am ignorant and that i should feel ashamed because i do not love Barack Obama. i know WHY i do not like him and it is largely economically and character based.
I mean i just don't see a lot of reason to proclaim this guy our savior yet. he has no proven track record! he does not have a fool proof financial plan. I am not anti democrat, i actually like the alternation, it keeps things balanced. i feel like he has an almost dangerous amount of power with his oratory skills. he can influence people to a stunning degree. its impressive but only if used for good. and i don't exactly trust him YET. I just do not like the guy. But this isn't about why i do or don't like Obama.
Everyone says "Give him a chance before you hate him!" isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Let him prove himself then love him? Im pretty sure this is how the world works. You don't get married to someone then see if you like them.
I want to know why everyone is so insistent that i should love the guy RIGHT NOW and just love him until he messes up... and when i dont do this i am told i am a RACIST, greedy, uneducated, ignorant, word of mouth listener, media influenced, psycho catholic, fool...or any other of the sort. And i am none of the sort.
I should be able to not like Obama and not feel pressured or guilty. Am i a bad person because i don't? well people are sure trying their best to make me feel that way and its starting to creep me out.
Originally posted by ghostlandseller
This isnt the direction i wanted to go with this forum but i see a division coming. I think it will be the hard core Obama supporters being united and becoming in essence a force. And they will be influenced by Obama to Get the other people to be followers too.
It will almost be like Good vs Bad. The Obama people think they are good and that they want to spread the good word. They are very devoted to Obama. Almost to a freakish degree. And there are people like me who really oppose Obama, almost being pushed even further way by the people who blindly fallow him and try to suck me in. i see them and fear for myself that i do not become so blinded.
So me and people like me are being seen as...BAD. The ones who need to be converted. And we wont be saved unless we fallow him, and they wont be saved unless everyone is on board with him. Its like we should all love him and do what he asks unconditionally.
I think this view is only going to be strengthened. I heard Obama may try and use his very devoted and large following to maybe form anther party or create an agenda of his own. I heard this on a major news station.
I just dont want to go to civil war with these people! It might be heading this direction if this tension continues to build liek this.
Why do they care so much that i do not liek the guy?
Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to post by ghostlandseller
You have every right to be wrong... Just kidding... All kidding aside, you don't have to like him.
Among obama's supporters you probably find two groups:
1. A small group of people who feel that they are relatively good judges of character and that they "feel" that they can trust him based on what they believe to be his track record.
2. The mob.
This is true for every view point. A few intellectually honest people make their best effort to come to conclusions they believe in. They promote those views and then the rest of the mob just adopts them. Doesn't mean that they're all right, but they very much believe they are, which pretty much amounts to the same thing. It's all a big circular logic chain.
It is understandable that when two people with opposing views meet, it is not easy to "let the disagreement be" because, clearly, one side is more wrong than the other. Notice the subtle implication that there exists no side that is absolutely right or morally superior, but a relative difference can be found if both sides debate and are willing to consider new information.
But the reasonable way to approach such differences is not to judge the character of the other person. You have stated your reasons for not liking obama, and they are all subjective and personal, so nobody can tell you what to think, they are valid and personal views. Heck, even if your reasons were based on race, that viewpoint also has to be respected. How can I deny that the brown color of Obama probably served as a positive influencing factor for me? Or his healthy appearance? or his loud voice? or his body language and posture? Our brains are wired to account for those things no matter how much we like to pretend it isn't.
Could they be uninformed views? I don't know, maybe, that's what debating is for.
Therefore you have an intellectual obligation to seek reasonable debate to try to understand the other side and the roots of the difference. This also holds for the pro-Obama side.
Good luck, and hope time helps clarify your views and everyone elses.
people who feel that they are relatively good judges of character and that they "feel" that they can trust him based on what they believe to be his track record.
Originally posted by Epinephrine
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Obama will be immune to criticism on the grounds that he is black
Originally posted by BonesTruth
By being a member of ATS, you should be sceptical, and I don´t think anyone with a brain would tell you otherwise. I´ve talked to alot of Obama fans (wich kinda remind me of religious fanatics... yep, creeps me out too), and most don´t really have a clue about him, other than the color of skin and that he don´t portray himself as a warmongering lunatic. "He will change stuff!"
But there is one thing that would pretty much show Obama´s true intentions.
Ask for a new 9/11 investigation. If he stonewalls that, you know he has sold his soul.
First post, officially ending the years of reading ATS, coming up with some points, but not really caring enough to register, since someone else will probably mention it.
Deny ignorance, and by not being an "Obama-mama", you certainly do...
Originally posted by Revealation
To be honest anyone who says they like/dislike him are making innadequate premature judgements. How can you like /dislike someone you know nothing about.
To judge him down the line according to whatever actions he chooses which impact our lives is another story.
Replying to this thread just clarified this for me. I had the same assumption that I didn't like him.
Now I know to clarify my judgments and rephrase it. I personally DON"T TRUST him or any other elected official who makes judgements that affect the outcome of my everyday life, under false, premeditated pretenses.
Then again, according to the way the world keeps going in a downward spiral, we can assume that he also is going to make bad judgments (all in the name of self empowering greed). If by some miraculous intervention of GOD, him/her self, let's give him a chance to disprove himself and then we can say we hate him.
Originally posted by ghostlandseller
Only a very small portion of the younger voters have a clue what they are voting for and Obama extorted that. They don't even know we are having a problem right now, or what the problem is. they are clueless! As long as they get their allowance, and their check from daddy in the mail to pay their rent they don't have any worries in the world so they are jsut looking something fun to fallow. A thrill. They want to feel like they are smart and political. and its an easy task to say, i want change and We can do it! thats all you have to know to fallow Obama! Change and YOU CAN DO IT!