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The tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the National government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states and to the people.
First, I find it ironic that you have a British character in fight of an American flag .
How is it that the minority is forcing you to accept their view? I doubt very much gay people are forcing straight people to marry them. What this is is the majority take away rights from the minority. As others have said, laws were on the books, and yes, even some states had segregation as part of their constitution. It is when the majority tries to take away the rights of the minority, it is always Unconstitutional.
The minority forcing the majority of people to accept their lifestyle is a violation of straight peoples rights whether you want to admit it or not.
Originally posted by DocMoreau
I find it very strange, and a bit of a conspiracy that it took $73 Million dollars to barely get this bill passed. That is like two million dollars for every resident of the state.
First I never said it changed the US constitution, I said it contradicted the clauses expressed in the nation wide constitution that involve seperate states. Pay attention.
No one is forcing anyone to accept a life style, they are forcing straight people who already enjoy marriage to not force their personal beliefs on gays. Straight people have no rights taken away from them when gay marriage is legalized, it only allows gays to have the same civil rights.
Marriage in itself is a religious institution. The government should not be involved in it at all, but if it does involve itself and makes marriage a right for some it should not impose religion’s standard of what marriage is. Marriage in more than one state in the US now is defined as a right given to two consenting adults, despite gender or race. No state can make a law against this right; such is expressed in the constitution.
Originally posted by xmotex
It's good to see so many allegedly ardent Constitutionalists supporting an electoral end run around a Constitutional document when it serves their ideological interests
Again you misunderstand that the two are directly connected, as is stated in the constitution. I could care less about your opinion; everyone has a right to their own. But what you say about Prop 8 being constitutional is simply incorrect; the constitution clearly expresses the law of the land when it comes to separate states and contradictions, and equal rights clauses.
Originally posted by pavil
But the whole thing is that TWICE it's been voted on. and both times the margin of victory was substantial. You can't say "you didn't win because we (the opponents ) didn't really vote". What kinda crock is that? All the proper procedures were followed. If opponents of the amendment didn't get enough votes to turn out well phooey on them.
Since you don't seem to like the people getting legislation enacted by following the proper procedures, take your case to the U.S. Supreme Court and let them judge it on it's merits.
You are more than welcome to get a ballot initiative going to repeal that amendment. Follow the procedures in place, but please don't whine about why you lost.
- The laws of the State of California are exclusive to the State of California, and are under the jurisdiction of the Constitution of the State of California. The only way the US Constitution may come into play is if one or more of the rights specifically enumerated in it are seen to have been violated by the State of California.
- The right to marry is not enumerated in the US Constitution. Your very argument is based on an interpretation, not an enumeration.
- Your claim that you care not for my opinion shows you have no concept of a majority rule, nor do you have any concept on how to accomplish political change.
Originally posted by rangersdad
reply to post by pavil
I personally have voted to keep marraige between a man and a woman, both times...in 2000 and 2008 and the gay and lesbians dont seem to realize that the will of the people is that WE DO NOT recognize marriage between same sex couples. They have lost twice to get it approved in CA and twice the citizens have voted it down.
Does anyone remember the 10 Commandments? NO, not the 10 suggestions either.
God was against it then and put it in writing as to what he expected from us.
Before that even, God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve. God has been consistent through time, too bad man has to consistently challenge him.
And YES I do believe that God is alive and well and is most likely wondering why the people he created cant follow 10 Commandments that are so simple.