Originally posted by pavil
Wouldn't Prop 8 have been checked for it's "Constitutionality" before it was ever allowed to get on the ballot?
The reason that Prop 8 is unconstitutional is because it eliminates the rights of same-sex couples to marry. It is the 'elimination' of rights that
is at issue.
Prop 8 was on the ballot during the last election because the groups behind the initiative got enough signatures to place it on the ballot. If you
get enough signatures, you can put a Proposition out there for anything, but that doesn't mean that if the Proposition passes by majority that it
automatically falls under the Constitution.
en.wikipedia.org...(history_in_the_United
_States)
In many states, signature gathering has become a niche industry in the role of politics. Proponents of initiatives, referendums, or recalls now
pay individuals to collect signatures. This is required because of the sheer number of signatures required in order to qualify a measure on the ballot
and the changes in American culture with public life shifting away from public places like parks and streetcars and into private spaces such as
shopping malls and automobiles, which make it difficult to gather signatures. The signature gatherers are usually paid by the signature and often
independent contractors, which makes them not subject to minimum wage laws. To combat the growing presence of signature gatherers, some states have
passed bans on paying signature gatherers by the signature, and Oregon most notably declared signature gatherers employees and enforced labor laws on
the petition proponents.
en.wikipedia.org...
In the United States the initiative is in use, at the level of state government, in 24 states and the District of Columbia [1], and is also in
common use at the local and city government level. The initiative has been recognized in the US since at least 1777 when provision was made for it by
the first constitution of Georgia.
The modern U.S. system of initiative and referendum originated in the state of South Dakota. South Dakota adopted initiative and referendum in 1898 by
a vote of 23,816 to 16,483. South Dakota is also the only state to have the idea develop on home soil without knowledge of the Swiss measure[citation
needed]. Oregon was the second state to adopt, and did so in 1902, when the state's legislators adopted it by an overwhelming majority. The "Oregon
System", as it was at first known, subsequently spread to many other states, and became one of the signature reforms of the Progressive Era
(1890s-1920s). Well known U.S. initiatives include various measures adopted by voters in states such as Colorado, Washington, Oregon, California,
Massachusetts and Alaska.
California was 'chosen' by groups from outside the State to test the waters regarding Same-Sex Marriage in order 'to fight' it out in court. That
is the whole reason they did it here. They knew that the Civil Rights groups would have to fight back and drag it through the courts again.
en.wikipedia.org...(2000)
Prior to 1977, California Civil Code section 4100 (predecessor to what is now codified at California Family Code section 300) defined marriage as:
"a personal relation arising out of a civil context, to which consent of the parties making that contract is necessary."[3]
While related sections made references to gender, a state assembly committee that was debating adding gender-specific terms to this section in 1977
noted: "Under existing law it is not clear whether partners of the same sex can get married."[4] That year, the legislature amended the definition
of marriage to remove any ambiguity.
When Prop 22 came before voters, section 300 defined marriage as:
a personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman, to which the consent of the parties capable of making that contract is
necessary. [5]
Even though the definition governing who may marry explicitly precluded contracting a same-sex marriage in California, a separate provision, section
308, governed recognition of marriages contracted elsewhere:
A marriage contracted outside this state that would be valid by the laws of the jurisdiction in which the marriage was contracted is valid in this
state. [6]
Advocates of Prop 22 described section 308 as a "loophole," apparently forcing California to recognize a same-sex marriage validly contracted in
some other state.[7] After passage, Prop 22 added a new section, codified at section 308.5, that reads:
Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in Californi
It is important to note that Prop 22 was thrown out on State constitutional grounds.
also from:
en.wikipedia.org...(2000)
Separately, numerous challenges to the constitutionality of the opposite-sex requirements found in California's marriage statutes, including Prop
22, came before the courts. A San Francisco trial court threw out all of the gender requirements on state constitutional grounds. On appeal, an
intermediate court reversed that decision. In December 2006, the California Supreme Court voted unanimously to review all six cases and held oral
argument on March 4, 2008, consolidating the cases as In Re Marriage Cases.[17] The Court ruled on May 15, 2008, that Proposition 22 violated the
state Constitution and was therefore invalid.[18] Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger immediately issued a statement pledging to uphold the ruling, and
repeated his pledge to oppose Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment initiative that would override the Court's ruling and again ban same sex
marriages by placing the text of Proposition 22 in the State Constitution.[19]
Finally, one can not fail to see that the special interest groups had already crafted Prop 8 and were getting signatures, before Prop 22 was out of
appeals in regard to its own validity.
en.wikipedia.org...
In re Marriage Cases (2008) 43 Cal.4th 757 [76 Cal.Rptr.3d 683, 183 P.3d 384], is a California Supreme Court case holding "that the California
legislative and initiative measures limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples violate the state constitutional rights of same-sex couples and may not
be used to preclude same-sex couples from marrying."[1]
It would seem that Prop 8 was invalidated before it was even passed.
DocMoreau