How is obama different from jim jones of the peoples temple....

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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Short question, and if chris matthews and olbermann come to this site, ever.

How is Obama different from Jim Jones of the peoples temple?




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:05 PM
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reply to post by andy1033
 


Jim Jones thought he was God.



Thats a huge difference.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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Both seem to be cults to me, and obama seems to have alot of the qualities that guy had. I think that obama does not beieve in our god, but is one of those that thinks man can be god, just because he mocks something does not mean he does not beleive in it.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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Jim Jones thought he was some sort of prophet or son of God. Other people think Obama is though he might be starting to believe it himself.

Then there's the whole Obama is part non-white which apparently makes him special. Jones didnt have that.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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First off, there is nothing wrong with a cult in the abstract. It is the first form of CULTure. You would never have any culture without first having a cult.

Christianity is a Cult, Islam is a Cult, any group of people who believe strongly enough to have some sort of Faith in something is a cult. (this includes the scientific community)

The question is, what kind of fruits does the Cult produce? This is the ONLY method of determining the value of a Cult.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Jim Jones is responsible for the suicides of many hundreds of people. Obama hasn't brought about any kind of suicide pact at all.

It's a real stretch to start comparing Obama to a suicide cult leader. When people say "drinking the obama kool-aid" they aren't being literal. There's no actual kool-aid here.

People have real misconceptions about Obama supporters, that they're mindless zombies. They're not. They do a lot of thinking and they do a lot of research. Just because they don't agree with conservative principles doesn't make them dumb and it certainly doesn't make the Democratic party a cult. Come on.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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I suppose 51% of the population have been recruited to join this cult. If only Pat Roberson had such powers.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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I am taking a wild guess here...

Perhaps the difference is that Obama seems quite sane, while Jim Jones was raving mad?




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


Both seem to be cults to me, and obama seems to have alot of the qualities that guy had. I think that obama does not beieve in our god, but is one of those that thinks man can be god, just because he mocks something does not mean he does not beleive in it.





Christianity seems to be a pretty big cult, I doubt Obama is their leader. It seems like your religion must be Christianity and your God must be God. I don't think Obama thinks he is God. I think you are scared for no reason. It seems that sooner or later, right wing propaganda might fade away. Just because you believe something is true, it does not make it true.

Besides, isn't Obama socialist and a terrorist and Muslim and Black, er Half-Black? So that's nothing like Jim Jones



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by newguyhere2
I suppose 51% of the population have been recruited to join this cult. If only Pat Roberson had such powers.


i think if pat robertson had those powers he have all our money right now


and we be hateful people and not really loving, forgiving creatures we can be


remember, god gave us all free choice

so why do others try to place rules on others? to fit their view, ha



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


Both seem to be cults to me, and obama seems to have alot of the qualities that guy had. I think that obama does not beieve in our god, but is one of those that thinks man can be god, just because he mocks something does not mean he does not beleive in it.





Whose god are you talking about? Not mine I bet. I love when people refer to our God with little or no regard for faiths besides their own.



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 10:37 AM
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You need to indicate when you change the formatting of a quote. For instance, italicizing "our god" in order to make your point in your quoted text.

A spiritual belief in a God (capital "G") is false unless the God is assumed to be everyone's God. Otherwise it's not spiritual at all, simply a vanity. It is morally and spiritually corrupt of anyone to think I, or my "group", is special enough to have our own God. I'm comfortable that Islam thinks Allah is also my god. I'm also quite happy that Buddhists think nirvana should be sought by all people.

Barack Obama is a man who was just elected President of the United States. That's all. The furor surrounding this event is disheartening.



[edit on 7-11-2008 by MrPenny]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


Both seem to be cults to me, and obama seems to have alot of the qualities that guy had. I think that obama does not beieve in our god, but is one of those that thinks man can be god, just because he mocks something does not mean he does not beleive in it.





What's this "OUR GOD" crap? There are more religions in the US than just one.

Also, Jones was too cheap to buy real kool aid, it was some cheap generic knock off. I think if Obama was running a suicide cult, he would at least get the real stuff. Preferably red, cause red is the best kool aid out there. Anyone that disagrees is wrong, cause red is the best.

[edit on 11/7/2008 by Finn1916]



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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How is he different? Well, one was a homicidal maniac and the other is a politician. Even I normally would joke about the subtlties, but to suggest otherwise is nuts, regardless of how many people are simply sick of the last eight years ie: "obamanation" Are you looking for anything else?

ColoradoJens



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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"I think that obama does not beieve in our god,"

Okay, I don't want to derale the thread and get into a debate over Obama being or not being a Muslim but...I thought Muslims, Jews and Christians believed in the SAME God.

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To the OP...that I know of, Obama has not claimed to be God. I don't think Obama has been arrested for soliciting sex in a mens restroom. Also, I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't passed out any suicide juice.

So, a question to the OP...How do you see Obama the same as Jim Jones??



posted on Nov, 7 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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Well Andy, I guess you got your answer.

Most people on this thread find HUGE differences, and even more believe the comparison of the two is absurd.



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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I know this is a dead post but I will respond anyway.

Jones and Obama were both community activists that helped the poor people.

The Democratic party LOVED Jones before he went loony.



In 1960, Indianapolis Democratic Mayor Charles Boswell appointed Jones as a director of the Human Rights Commission.


You read that right.

A Democrat appointed a future MASS MURDERER to the Human Rights Commission.



The move of Peoples Temple headquarters to San Francisco in 1975 invigorated Jones' political career. After the Temple served an important role in the mayoral election victory of Democrat George Moscone in 1975, Moscone appointed Jones as the Chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority Commission.





Unlike most other figures deemed as cult leaders, Jones was able to gain public support and contact with prominent Democratic local and national United States politicians. For example, Jones and Moscone met privately with Democratic vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale on his campaign plane days before the 1976 election and Mondale publicly praised the Temple. First Lady Rosalynn Carter also personally met with Jones on multiple occasions, corresponded with him about Cuba, and spoke with him at the grand opening of the San Francisco Democratic Party Headquarters where Jones garnered louder applause than Mrs. Carter.





In September 1976, Democrat Willie Brown served as master of ceremonies at a large testimonial dinner for Jones attended by Democrat Governor Jerry Brown and Lieutenant Governor Mervyn Dymally and other Democratic political figures. At that dinner, while introducing Jones, Willie Brown stated "Let me present to you what you should see every day when you look in the mirror in the early morning hours ... Let me present to you a combination of Martin King, Angela Davis, Albert Einstein ... Chairman Mao."


Jones may have been white but his family was not.




Jim and Marceline Jones adopted several children of at least partial non-Caucasian ancestry; he referred to the clan as his "rainbow family," and stated: "Integration is a more personal thing with me now. It's a question of my son's future."

That comported with Jones' portrayal of the Temple overall as a "rainbow family." The couple adopted three children of Korean-American ancestry: Lew, Suzanne and Stephanie. Jones had been encouraging Temple members to adopt orphans from war ravaged Korea.

Jones had long been critical of the United States' opposition to communist leader Kim Il-Sung's 1950 invasion of South Korea, calling it the "war of liberation" and stating that "the south is a living example of all that socialism in the north has overcome."

In 1954, he and his wife also adopted Agnes Jones, who was partly of Native American descent. Agnes was 11 at the time of her adoption. Suzanne Jones was adopted at the age of six in 1959. In June 1959, the couple had their only biological child, Stephan Gandhi Jones.

Two years later, in 1961, the Joneses became the first white couple in Indiana to adopt a black child, James Warren Jones, Jr. Marceline was once spat upon while she carried Jim Jr.


Obama would have initially loved Jones he had all the oratory skills of the Rev.Jerimiah Wright.

The democrats have conveniently forgot their connection with and support for Jones.




909 inhabitants of Jonestown, 276 of them children, died of apparent cyanide poisoning.This resulted in the greatest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the September 11, 2001 attacks.


Pelosi was recently on television and she mentioned the deaths of Moscone and Harvey Milk.

This is what Milk said about Jones.



On February 19, 1978, Harvey Milk wrote a letter of support for the Peoples Temple to Democratic President Jimmy Carter.

Therein, Milk wrote that Jones was known "as a man of the highest character."



From Wikipedia Jim Jones

[edit on 27-10-2009 by calcoastseeker]

[edit on 27-10-2009 by calcoastseeker]



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Glad you brought up my old post. Obama used so many tactics that jones used in his speeches, to get crowd going etc...



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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At the time of your original post I wasn't on ATS very much.

I saw your signature and looked at your profile and saw your older posts.

I have recently been seeing in the media the phrase "Don't drink the Kool-aid" used a lot and it always alludes to the Jonestown Mass suicide/murders.

But it actually is much older than that and has a different history.

I will U2U what I was told years ago of the meaning.



posted on Oct, 27 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
Short question, and if chris matthews and olbermann come to this site, ever.

How is Obama different from Jim Jones of the peoples temple?


your question implies that there are similarities, which there are none. so...your question is not a valid one to ask. until you can prove there are similarities, the discussion is moot.





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