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Remember remember, the 5th of november

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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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I know it could be a long shot,

But anyone remember the movie V for Vendetta and how the movie was portrayed.

en.wikipedia.org...

How everyone was run by the government, the government had cameras, it could hear see and basically run anyone it wanted to within the country.

Ever think that maybe the movie has some sort of meaning behind it. Especially since the "Remember remember, the 5th of November" just happened to be the day Obama was elected and the plans for the NWO are in place. Maybe a coincidence... maybe not?

Maybe V is supposed to represent the revolution of how we are to stop and destroy the NWO?

Well thats my thought's on it anyway

Could be a coincidence, but i don't believe in coincidences that just stops you from opening your mind.

Keen too hear your thoughts on this fellow ATS'ers

[edit on 5-11-2008 by dion3976]




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:39 AM
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.................................bump



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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I think Vs only intent, as a movie, was to rally everyone against the machine, the only problem was, it would have still had the military in real life, with real bullets.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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Well maybe thats what we need too do, rally everyone up, take a stand against the NWO and fight.

Even though defeat is most likely imminent



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:56 AM
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right... now conspiracy 5th ov november happened to be the 1st black president of america, funny how it just all pops into place like Obama's name sounds so close to (Osama) and that his middle name is Saddam...

???

any insights?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 10:14 AM
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Don't believe in coincidences? That is ridiculous. Of course they happen.

Yes, the comic book (that the film was based on) has a meaning - it was about Maggie Thatcher's government, and the prophecies it made turned out to be bunk.

Deny ignorance.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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Do you even have any evidence to suggest this shadowy NWO exists and is determined to subjugate us all? Or maybe the move towards centralised government is what has happened throughout human history, and that it is a natural step of societies as the world becomes smaller through easier travel and less conflict?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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the v does an ok job, but i think its more fun to stop government terrorism with accidents instead being remembered for purposely killing them off. the best way to kill a murderer is to do it on accident.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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You do know what the 5th of November actually was right?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by dion3976

Ever think that maybe the movie has some sort of meaning behind it. Especially since the "Remember remember, the 5th of November" just happened to be the day Obama was elected and the plans for the NWO are in place. Maybe a coincidence... maybe not?

Maybe V is supposed to represent the revolution of how we are to stop and destroy the NWO?

The 4th of november is when obama was elected, but I must burst your bubble here...

V for Vendetta = 2006
Obama elected = 2008

Unless James McTeigue, Joel Silver and the Wachowski brothers have been consulting Miss Cleo, I doubt the movie had anything to do with Obama. (nice try though)


Maybe V is supposed to represent the revolution of how we are to stop and destroy the NWO?

V for Vendetta is a film adaptation of a ten-issue comic book series.
V is supposed to represent a vigilante anarchist who is the victim of a totalitarian government, and who wants to see his people stand up for what they believe and return themselves and their government to a time when one could be proud of it.

The character V is obsessed with, and bases himself upon Guy Fawkes who once attempted to blow up UK Parliment on, you guessed it, the fifth of November, 1605. "The Gunpowder Plot" refers to his attempt to blow up Parliment with several dozen barrels of gunpowder in the cellar.

The nursery rhyme was intended to ensure that this crime would never be forgotten, in recent times it has been "flipped" from it's original meaning (in a way) be to a sort of reminder of the evils of government and how one man died trying to save his fellow citizens from what he believed to be a corrupt government.

The first part of the very rhyme which was intended to demonize Guy Fawkes has now become (to some people) a rally cry for the oppressed and victimized citizens of a nation. In other words "remember remember" has become a way of remembering WHY he did it, rather than a way of demonizing the man.

There are a few versions of the "remember remember" rhyme but I believe this one to be the most famous.


Remember, remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason, why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

Guy Fawkes, guy, t'was his intent
To blow up king and parliament.
Three score barrels were laid below
To prove old England's overthrow.
By God's mercy he was catch'd
With a darkened lantern and burning match.
So, holler boys, holler boys, Let the bells ring.
Holler boys, holler boys, God save the king.

And what shall we do with him?
Burn him!


It can be seen as a metaphor of one man's struggle to unite his fellow countrymen (and women) and stop the NWO, you ARE right about that part.

The message is a great one, I however believe your link to Obama to be yet another in a long line of shameful posts designed to use any means possible to sling mud at him.

I'm all for slinging mud at politicians and world leaders, you may want to find a new basis for your arguement this time though.



[edit on 5-11-2008 by ashamedamerican]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 11:44 AM
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Thanks for the info "ashamedamerican", you saved me some typing..


I still feel kinda proud of this "guy", even if he did get caught (apparently...allegedly) shows the world what the power of ONE can achieve.

Wonder what the new building would have looked like if he had succeeded and what changes would have come about?

Great movie too. (it's them wachowski brothers (matrix) again I think).

I only wish he'd tried it at a time of year when the weather is better, all those chilly, damp nights stood round a bonfire and trying to light fireworks in the rain can take some of the fun out of it.

ps....still not to late to try again....anyone got the keys to the houses of parliament?
I'll start emptying "bangers".

"V for Vendetta" on Wikipedia



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 11:59 AM
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Some may call me a nutcase for this, but Guy Fawkes is my personal hero.

If everyone felt as strongly about liberty and freedom as he did, and were all willing to courageously lay down their lives for this belief, this world would be a much better place to live in.

Vive Le Revolution!


"Every generation needs a revolution" - Thomas Jefferson

“If by the mere force of numbers a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution” - Abraham Lincoln

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.” - John Fitzgerald Kennedy

“You can never have a revolution in order to establish a democracy. You must have a democracy in order to have a revolution.” - G. K. Chesterton

“The Framers [of the Constitution] knew that free speech is the friend of change and revolution. But they also knew that it is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny.” - Hugo Black

“The seed of revolution is repression.” - Woodrow T. Wilson

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

These men would have been labeled as dissenters in our time.
With that being the case I am proud to be called a dissenter!

[edit on 5-11-2008 by ashamedamerican]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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What? Guy Fawkes was a terrorist and religous extremist.

He conspired, with others (he wasn't the leader by far, just the mug who had to blow up the bomb) to overthrow the legitimate Government and install a Catholic Government, who would capitulate to Spain.

If he had succeeded, then we would have had a massive War with Spain as they would have invaded to claim the throne. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives were spared because this idiot was caught.

The Guy (no pun intended) was a traitor who intended to hand the nation over to the Spanish Catholics and further purging of Protestant England by things such as the Inquisition, burnings and Witch hunts.

I don't know how you got this idea he stood up for Liberty and Freedom. He believed in nothing of the sort.

To say he is a hero for "laying down his life for his belief" means you surely sympathise with Islamic suicide bombers, as Guy fawkes was of the same ilk.



In Continental Europe there had been a series of Wars of Religion stemming from a Protestant-Catholic issue in relation to the presumption of the French throne. England was divided, the English Protestant crown supported Navarre, while the Catholics of England supported the Catholic League and Pope Sixtus V, through the Duke of Guise. Sir William Stanley had raised an army in Ireland to fight in the Spanish Netherlands. Fawkes, along with his Jesuit cousin Richard Collinge went over to Flanders to join him against the Dutch Revolt. Fawkes spent ten years fighting for the Spanish Catholic cause as a soldier. It was while fighting with the Spaniards that he adopted the name Guido, and he gained considerable expertise with explosives.

The Netherlands were then possessions of King Philip II of Spain, Duke of Burgundy, who was a foreigner to the Dutch. The Dutch associated Spain and Philip's rule with the Catholic Inquisition, which he had tried to impose on his territories in the Low Countries. Fawkes arrived at a time when the death of the Duke of Parma and mutinies by Spanish mercenaries had left the Catholic military force in the Netherlands paralysed, and Maurice of Nassau, the stadtholder in five provinces from 1584 till 1625, son of William of Orange, had led successful campaigns against Spanish positions. He was also present when Calais was taken by the Spanish in 1596. For his gallantry in the siege of Calais, Stanley even gave Fawkes command of a company.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Keep in mind that history is written by the winner.

Some could call the current american government the "legitimate government" although alot of americans would laugh at this.

You believe that "If he had succeeded, then we would have had a massive War with Spain as they would have invaded to claim the throne. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives were spared because this idiot was caught." because the "winners" have told you this.

Some of the people who helped to found america were "traitors" in the eyes of the british royal family, one man's traitor is another man's revolutionary.

"I don't know how you got this idea he stood up for Liberty and Freedom. He believed in nothing of the sort." Again because you are told this by the "winners" you believe it to be true. From what I'v read he viewed the british royal family to be his oppressors, and wanted freedom from them, so that his people may have liberty.

"To say he is a hero for "laying down his life for his belief" means you surely sympathise with Islamic suicide bombers, as Guy fawkes was of the same ilk."
What I said was... "If everyone felt as strongly about liberty and freedom as he did, and were all willing to courageously lay down their lives for this belief, this world would be a much better place to live in." way to take my quote out of context
congrats! If you would like to play "the misrepresentation of quotes game" we can, but I prefer not to.

It does not mean that I "surely sympathise with Islamic suicide bombers" at all. First of all do you KNOW that he intended to die in the basement of parliment and had no intentions of escaping before the explosion? No, so your assumption that he was a "suicide bomber" is just that, an ASSUMPTION.

Much in the same way that you assume that I "surely sympathise with Islamic suicide bombers" I could say that you surely sympathise with elitist NWO oppressors and tyrants. But that would be an assumption and one which I will not make, as I don't enjoy slandering people with assumptions.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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Nov.5th 2008.
Dow down over 320 points, oil down to 65.60 .
Who is suffering , but your 401k.
Maybe a year without Christmas.



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