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Originally posted by scientist
Originally posted by TheRooster
What I'm looking for is a clear definition, something set in stone, not to be breached because down the road something else becomes acceptable to a select few who wish to impose it on all.
Should slavery have been set in stone? What type of thinking would lead you to condemn all future generations to our limited thinking of today? That is so ass backwards, I can't begin to wrap my head around it.
Originally posted by Griff
This really hits home for me.
Originally posted by TheRooster
Slavery? No of course not, but that happened before the Constitution was drafted, but of course you knew that.
Originally posted by TheRooster
But if I follow your logic, then why have one at all? Or we can have one and just call it the "Bill of Nows" We'll just trust and believe in what is popular now, and keep changing it when we feel like it. Oh that's right, that's what we're doing now... How's Dr Phil put it? How's that workin' for ya? Or we can try to stay true to a document (one for the record that did not include slavery) so that future generations see the value in it. Can you wrap your head around that?
Originally posted by kinglizard
Bottom line for me is that I see marriage as a religious union as well as a civil one. Clearly the Bible tells us it is an abomination for a person to have a romantic relationship with the same sex so I don't want that relationship to be supported by the law of man. I will always vote with my heart, mind, values and morals leaning towards the laws of God where applicable. I'll leave the interpretation of mans law and the constitution to the supreme court, meanwhile I will interpret and support the law of the most high God and cast my vote with that in mind.
You don't need to agree with me but now you know my position a little better.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
No, what I would ask is that you look at the issue and ask yourself if it is fair and will it do you any harm.
Originally posted by JaxonRobertsIf there was a ballot initiative to mandate prayer in school, your religion would dictate that you vote yes, but it wouldn't be very American, now would it?
Originally posted by Griff
Meanwhile this "word of God" was written by man. Which makes it man's law. Please don't even try to tell me the original Bible has not been perversed.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
Equality is one of the founding principles of this country, so we must be good patriots despite our personal or religious beliefs.
Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by TheRooster
Out of curiosity...seriously.
Do you view marriage, in this day in age, as a strictly religious union or as a secular contract/union?
In my view, marriage has become less associated with religion and more associated with secularism. And, if that is the case, how can the state deny that "contract" based on sexual preference??
[edit on 11/5/2008 by skeptic1]
Originally posted by kinglizard
Originally posted by Griff
This really hits home for me.
By no means do I have all the answers but the hospital visitation thing really rubs me the wrong way. Though I don't support marriage of the same sex not allowing visitation in hospitals seems cruel.