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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by kinglizard
Hey, passion is a good thing! I guess I'm just really tired of subjects that divide us, especially after this very divisive election cycle. I just wish that instead of finding issues that divide us, we could all come together on the issues that bind us. This whole debate is just another example of the power of those who try to keep us apart as a society, and I find it distructive in th end. This in no way was an assault on you in particular, it just somehow became a back and forth debate between us. I am just seeking the 'United' part of the USA. Given recent history, we have become more akin to the Divided States of America, and our politicians and those behind ballot proposals are not helping any. I fervently defend the right of religions to believe whatever they wish to believe, but not to the point where it becomes "us against them", for that only weakens us as a society. I believe that one's faith is between the individual and their Creator and should not be used as a prybar to keep us apart. I hope that makes sense, and I fully realize that you are just speaking from the heart, as I have endevoured to do as well.
Originally posted by caballero
Last night Proposition 8 was passed in California. For those who havent heard of Prop 8 it was to ban gay marriage.
This is some of the most disgusting news I have ever heard. I always thought growing up that we were so much ahead of the fifties and sixties because we accept people for their differences and we let them live out there lives, I thought we had learned from the reckless hate and idiotic segregation of the past hundred or so years.
I was proven wrong when I found that prop 8 had passed and a new type of segregation would live on in the place of the segregation against black America.
I dont understand why people have to be so narrow minded, prop 8 might of well have been called jim crow and it still would have passed.
I am disgusted with my home state and our concept of freedom and equality.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Please enjoy the same rights as married couples.
But please do not demand to appropriate a simple label, esp. if you have the same legal rights. Doing so is just plain mean.
Proposition 8 WAS NOT about "marriage", traditional or otherwise.
Nor was Propsition 8 about Sex, Gay, Straight, Group or Bestial.
The California Supreme Court overturned a prior law (Proposition 22) because it was found to be unconstitutional, that is, in conflict with the Constitution of the State of California.
The Justices found that the prior law was unconstitutional in that it would have required the existing laws regarding the State's recognition of marriage to be applied differently for same-sex couples seeking recognition as being married.
This "different treatment", they found was tantamount to "Unequal Treatment Under the Law" for such citizens of the State, and therefore in violation of the right to Equal Treatment Under the Law, as guaranteed by the State's Constitution.
In this context, no matter how it was worded, promoted, potrayed, or "spun", Proposition 8 was really about
Establishing a Precedent Whereby the Government May, at its Choosing, DENY otherwise Law-Abiding Citizens the Right to Equal Treatment under the Fundamental Law of the Land.
Originally posted by wayno
My non religious morals say that loving someone is a good thing, and wanting to make a lasting commitment to the person you are in love with is an even better thing.
Originally posted by TheRooster
Off topic my 4$$!
When deciding who gets to call themselves married, where do you draw a line? Because wherever you draw it, you will inevitably leave someone on the other side. My orig post was not off topic and a mod (badge) imposed his/her will and removed a post that was very on topic.
If you start letting homosexual people get married where will it end??? trans-gender? trans-sexual? etc...
My reference to polygamy being legalized spoke directly to the topic at hand. When you draw a line, you leave people on both sides, where will it stop?