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Anyone feel good about this? What does this mean for us?

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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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I have been crying for eight years, so I know how you must feel. As all congressman have voted to put our country on the skids, we can blame no one more than ourselves. We fell for their lies and they got our vote, those fine white men in those expensive business suits. Socialism reared again when those men approved the hugh bailout for the banks.
Our country has suffered under these banksters, hedgefunders, insurers, congress and the leaders in white house.
I will give Obama a chance. So should you.
I will now leave this group. I used to think you were a group of fact seeking, opened-minded and intelligent people. I guess I was wrong.




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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Well, if you're looking for some good news - if you believe the Bible - we will one day have the end-times! How's that? Much better, right?

Maybe we can get lucky and only have two years of this turd.

And I love that avatar!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 08:23 PM
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hi i was sent this other day & i know it doesn't answer your questions exactly but i really do think its about time we all stated thinking about the big picture on every level, cos if we go on ignoring the basic fundamentals of life we wont have a life or a planet to ignore,maybe its time everyone woke up & really saw exactly what is happening & what the timing of the very significant moment in history that we witnessed yesterday, give this man a chance because he is sincere caring on a deep level, & a compassionate bright intelligent man,perhaps if all the fear mongers & those that cant see beyond their own situation could just stop for a minute & realise that just maybe this is all meant to be, then the fears may just subside,after all nothing can be as bad as the mess gw has got the whole world in, WAKE UP & SMELL that NEW pot of coffee that's just about to be poured out upon the people of this planet. lets hope that the shadowy elite come over to the light & that MR OBAMA has the strength & safety to stand up to them & any other world controllers who try to block any positive changes he sees fit to implement hey its a new day,lets see the sun rising as opposed to being fearful of the night.enough is enough surely?

[edit on 5/11/2008 by cosmiccat]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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The argument of 'taking away rights' always makes me giggle. Almost as much as the whole 'tax and spend' myth. Lets examine those shall we?

To start, this bailout plan was hatched by bush and poulson who then tried to ramrod through congress. It failed the first time. Then the republicans added another 150 bil in tax benefits to their buddies. How is this a demo bailout?

Otherwise, take a look at the deficits of the last presidents. The following is a comic, but it sums it nicely:

Conservative

Otherwise:
The Repubs are always afraid of guns to 'protect their rights' while they are in fact supporting the party that strips rights away. Look at the Patriot Act, suspension of Habeas Corpus-That one the frightening one.

Yet, all people can squeal about is whether they can purchase an Uzi. While typing this how many people were killed or wounded because of your parties grab for more oil? You know, your parties pursuit of the american dream at the cost of everything else.

The Cons claim to be the party of freedom and liberty, yet legislate amendments to make it so two adults can't share insurance or visit each other in the hospital.


I dont understand how anyone could be worried about any damage being done to our nation after the last 8 years. Elmer Fudd smoking crack while fingering the 'big red button' couldn't make things worse than they have been.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by lordtyp0
Hrm,
On a quick thought. It could force people to walk or ride a bike to work-less obesity and strain on the medical system since people would be more fit. Less air pollution-people more fit. Less pollution in general - possible it could help with this whole global warming concept. If that means I have to turn the TV off and you know-read.. I think I could live with that.


I respect your opinion, but I just don't get it. Can you show me where in the Constitution it says that the government has the right to force people to walk or ride a bike to work? This country has gone so far from what our forefathers intended that it's disgusting.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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No, I don't feel good about this. I will give him a chance to prove himself.

I feel that 52% of American's just got duped. They just voted in a guy that has said hope and change for the past 2 years and nothing in his past supports the change that he wants to do.

I feel that Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer, etc. put Obama up to be president because they can push him around. They are already talking about spending 150 billion dollars right off the bat.

One thing I do feel good about though is that a black man got elected president and witnessing history.

Another good thing I feel good about this election is that the dems can no longer pass blame off on their failures. They ran on a campaign to fix this mess and now America is expecting them to fix it.

Also to cosmiccat, that picture is pure propaganda, the reason why those people live like that is because they are ruled by dictators that keep all the foreign aid and money and split it up between themselves and leave their people to suffer. It is not those peoples fault they live like that it is the fault of the dictators of the countries that they live in and they are powerless to stop it.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by BlueTriangle

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Hrm,
On a quick thought. It could force people to walk or ride a bike to work-less obesity and strain on the medical system since people would be more fit. Less air pollution-people more fit. Less pollution in general - possible it could help with this whole global warming concept. If that means I have to turn the TV off and you know-read.. I think I could live with that.


I respect your opinion, but I just don't get it. Can you show me where in the Constitution it says that the government has the right to force people to walk or ride a bike to work? This country has gone so far from what our forefathers intended that it's disgusting.


Can you show me where in the Constitution it provides you with a right to have a automobile and gasoline? or that anything is provided in lines of that?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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HOLY MOTHER MARY AND MOSES!! Where did the men go to? *looks under the bed* Some of you are more sissified than my next door neighbors little girl.

Get a grip!! Sorry to break it to you, but what you think you are losing has not been in your possession since you realized the ways of society and started basing your freedom on who is in office. You are free ya pansies. Obama is not responsible for what we are here in America.

Let me clue ya in on the source of all this drama... everyone's G-R-E-E-D and it won't get better under McCain and it won't get worse under Obama.

What happens to you in your life is up to NO ONE else BUT you regardless of the system you live under.

Sheesh! Imagine if the founding fathers of this country had the "omg, I'm so scared we are screwed because of ------ fill in blank." It isn't like England handed them their freedom on a silver platter after they complained endlessly. They realized that freedom was already in their possession and they took non aggressive action to ensure their freedom (it only became agressive when they were stalked).

If you don't like Obama's plan, grow some balls and don't follow it w/out making everyone feel bad that your guy lost. Otherwise, quit complaining and give the man a chance to serve at LEAST a day before you claim doom and certain failure.


[edit on 5-11-2008 by justamomma]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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im quite aware of that however if one leader a blackman!!!no less makes big positive changes in his country then just maybe it will have a knock on effect and the world will wake up & say enough is enough you are our goverment & you are meant to listen to us,surely you can see where im coming from?
But it is true we do have more than enough the world needs to be rebalanced, how come we in the west can go into a shop & choose from say 20 different types of breakfast cerial yet in another part of our world they cant even get hold of 1 grain, just perhaps its time to see that & stop complaining because we have to do without something that we are being so selfish about, come on i love my vehicle like any other but if it meant the difference between,my friends children having a planet to live on or not then i wouldn't grumble,if i had to give it up.if i have to take less of a few things so that the balance can be readjusted then really does it matter that much, i guess you have never really had nothing?sorry its not a dig at you but surely we all need to look at the big picture before there aint one to look at?



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:09 PM
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No, but I can point you to where it says we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

In America it is not the job of the government to tell people how to run their lives. The reason why the corporations have so much money is because they government went and got involved in the market.

Adam Smith said that when the government gets involved in the market capitalism will no longer exist and that is exactly what has happened.

If it wasn't for government intervention then the people with a new idea would have been able to build from the bottom up and put the corporations out of business because the guy with the idea or invention would have been able to build a corporation himself.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:15 PM
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It doesn't seem like your getting the big picture. You either missed it or completely ignored it.

We send billions of dollars of aid to these countries every year. The problem in those countries is the government.

Their governments are run by evil dictators that take the money and food and keep it for themselves and sell it to the people that can afford it. You sacrificing things in your life to help these countries out are only making the dictators and their friends richer.

Those people don't chose to live that way they live that way because they have no choice. The only way your going to improve those peoples lives is if you assemble a massive army of a few million and invade them and over throw their government. That is the only way you are going to help those people.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by lordtyp0
Can you show me where in the Constitution it provides you with a right to have a automobile and gasoline? or that anything is provided in lines of that?


I would argue that the 10th amendment takes care of that since it doesn't say anywhere that they have the right to take away my car and gas.

You're arguing just to argue here anyways. I find it very hard to believe that you really think it's in our best interest to allow the government to micro manage an average citizen's daily life like this. If, according to you, the government should be able to raise gas taxes to the point that it becomes impossible for an average citizen to drive...what's next? Just about anything you can think of can be put out of reach for a majority of the population with taxation.

I stand by my statement that our forefathers would be ashamed of what our country has become...even before Obama takes office and I have a funny feeling it's going to get significantly worse. What really scares me is that people like you actually think it's a good idea.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
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No, but I can point you to where it says we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

In America it is not the job of the government to tell people how to run their lives. The reason why the corporations have so much money is because they government went and got involved in the market.

Adam Smith said that when the government gets involved in the market capitalism will no longer exist and that is exactly what has happened.

If it wasn't for government intervention then the people with a new idea would have been able to build from the bottom up and put the corporations out of business because the guy with the idea or invention would have been able to build a corporation himself.



I would love to agree with that, but facts show otherwise. Aside from you not being able to show me that quote in the Constitution (its in the Declaration of Independance). There is the fact that vote after vote says that only select people get that anyway. I agree the Gov shouldnt be involved in the market (those business should have failed not been bailed out) or mandating religious ceremony (Marriage is a religious institution, by banning it it infringes on the freedom of religion of those who's religion says its OK).

I am not really certain of your last paragraph though... (relevance).



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
If you don't like Obama's plan, grow some balls and don't follow it w/out making everyone feel bad that your guy lost. Otherwise, quit complaining and give the man a chance to serve at LEAST a day before you claim doom and certain failure.



Can you please explain to me how I have a choice to not follow his policies? His policies are going to be forced on all of us whether I like it or not. Regarding the rest of your tirade, I knew my guy was going to lose from day one because third party has ZERO shot in the current political climate.

As I said in my earlier post, I am holding judgement until he actually gets into office. I am very concerned though. There are two different Obamas here and I'm really not sure which one is going to be President. We have pre-presidential race Obama who was very far left, very partisan, and has the record to back it up. Then, we have the Obama that was presented to us during the race who is actually pretty centrist. Occasionally, little off the record quips would slip out (like the Joe the Plumber drama) that sounded like the old Obama. If we get the centrist version, I think he may actually change the country for the better. If we get leftist Obama...god help us.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:25 PM
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oh & are you really trying to say that you are not free say in comparison to i don't know Iraq? who is in more of a bloody mess because of your last dick taker, work it out, your new president at worst has good character, is kind sincere & will listen to you the people wow totally the opposite to gw then so please tell me why you are so worried this is the dawning of a new day please try & see the light just for an open minded minute will you. alternative stay locked up in fear & see where that gets you??? cant you feel the change didnt you see what went on last night in your country, open your heart & really watch & listen to this man, come on. its time .many a wise sage says to judge a man see what he creates around him what sort of people he attracts & the situations he creates well just look at jessy jackson, opra faces and all those what was it 250,000 people,& beyond & all the worlds outpouring of love & faith that has been sparked by his getting in to the position he was oviously born to take, yes its scary but have a little faith,cant be as bad as whats gone down till now,



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Dude, seriously. drama much? a massive army is not the only answer. How about if someone feels something in their heart that urges them to help these people, sacrifice personally by going over there or supporting someone who will go over there to teach them how to be self sufficient.

There are other answers to these things than just aggression. Teach the people how to be self sufficient and their confidence will grow. This is how all successful revolutions against corruptions have begun.

I do see your point about the financial aspect you brought to the table, but ya know.. the greed of these people could be their downfall if more ppl would wise up and learn to appreciate the basic things that are free and how to be self sufficient. I am finding myself less and less concerned with $$ because of all the divisions it is causing around me.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by BlueTriangle

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Can you show me where in the Constitution it provides you with a right to have a automobile and gasoline? or that anything is provided in lines of that?


I would argue that the 10th amendment takes care of that since it doesn't say anywhere that they have the right to take away my car and gas.

You're arguing just to argue here anyways. I find it very hard to believe that you really think it's in our best interest to allow the government to micro manage an average citizen's daily life like this. If, according to you, the government should be able to raise gas taxes to the point that it becomes impossible for an average citizen to drive...what's next? Just about anything you can think of can be put out of reach for a majority of the population with taxation.

I stand by my statement that our forefathers would be ashamed of what our country has become...even before Obama takes office and I have a funny feeling it's going to get significantly worse. What really scares me is that people like you actually think it's a good idea.


First: The 10th amendment has nothing to do with anything here:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (means the states get to set their own laws as long as it doesn't overwrite laws in place. Doesn't mean the Gov has any obligation. What little argument you can present with the 10th amendment could also be extended to drug laws.)

As for raising gas taxes... Where is your outrage over the ciggarette taxes? Or how about the whole subsidized fuel? (part of our taxes go into buying bulk gas to reduce cost at the pump already).

The way to curtail bad habits is to make it less desirable to do it. In this case there is ample reason to believe we are destroying the world due to global warming. At least there is enough evidence to say we should do SOMETHING. If that means someone needs to spend a dollar a gallon more on that Escalade to fill the tank.. I have no pity.

One thing forgotten here is the economic concept of "someone elses problem". We have taxes because the potholes wont repair themselves and nobody would volunteer the money to repair them. Nor pay for public education etc.

To trivialize the constitution by claiming it somehow promises cheap fuel is reprehensible.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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oh just like bush did eh?thats another fine mess we are in now isnt it,the whole point is stop complaining that you may loose a bit of a bit of the massive amount of luxuries we have in the west,the answer is PEACE,COOPERATION UNDERSTANDING, EMPOWERMENT,LISTENING,& CHANGE, NOT $£,wars fighting armies & weapons,& I'm not saying that if you sacrifice something then some poor suffering soul will get it, do you really think I'm that naive,no i'm just saying maybe stop worrying about what you may have to cut back on stop complaining cos compared to many of the rest of the world we are in clover all the time,when did you have to scavenge for food eh?or walk 20 miles just to fetch water in blistering heat with no shoes.or spend all day taking glue because your a child on a rubbish heep starving but if you sniff glue then you dont get hungry & the glue is there but the food isnt,wake up check out some of the rest of this worlds life styles then see if your still concerned because ...................



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:54 PM
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The kind of people he attracts such as, Bill Ayers, Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Wright, Khailid, the communist party of the USA, the socialist party of the USA, Tony Rezko, The endorsment of Hamas, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Kim Jong IL. Those kind of people?

Or how about his past record for example spent 160 million dollars to improve the schools and nothing got improved. Or lets take a look at his past record and see how that matches up with his rhetoric.

There is absolutely no proof that he is going to do what the people ask him to do. In fact I remember he said he was going to vote against and filibuster the FISA bill he voted yes without so much a peep, then went and called the people that are mad at him for it "egotistical." Or how bout the recent bailout bill which over 80% of us didn't agree with.

And, yes it can get a lot worse a whole lot worse. That is fine those people voted for him and they got what they wanted. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and wish him well, but I don't expect for him to even do 5% of what he has promised all those people.

Let's not even get started on Iraq. There is so much going on over there unless you are there and see it for yourself there is no way to get a straight answer. And if the politicians would have stayed out of it we would have been out in no more than a year.

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Urge those people to do what, fight men armed with AK-47's? You forget that these people are oppressed, they are not allowed to gain the upper hand. They are not allowed the most basic thing in life which is food. Their governments micro manage their lives.

I feel bad for those people I really do, but nothing short of an army to over throw the government is going to help their situation.

It's funny as how you say do I "drama much" when that is what the current state of the world.

Obama is not going to magically come into office and solve all the worlds ills.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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Cheers, and starred.

I think people forget how bad things have been in the US let alone how bad it IS all over.
From gas rationing to the great depression-still remember my grandma telling me stories of people buying flour WITH weavels for the protein..



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